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Sonny
01-18-2005, 02:19 AM
Every other year, the magazine "Popular Hot Rodding", in conjunction with "Engine Masters", (http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/), sponsors a small block engine building competition. If you look at the competition website, you'll notice a couple of noteworthy things. First, there has been no Studebaker engines in the competition, and second, the engines that have previously competed put out some astronomical horse power and torque numbers. Don't be fooled though, the engines built for this competition are very specialized, and you would play hell trying to coax them into taking you to the local cruise. [:p]

So, I am planning on making sure that a Studebaker engine will be included in the 2006 competition. I've already started gathering parts and information to build the engine. I would VERY much like to make this a team effort, and not just to help with the financial part. I honestly believe that 100 heads are better than one. There is a large amount of money for the winning engine, but there's also contingency money for other competitors too.

I also honestly believe that a team could put together a competitive Studebaker engine, but as you can see from the published rules, (single 4-barrel, naturally aspirated, etc.), it will not be easy and every known trick in the book will be needed. The truest reality is that the engine has only to survive about 10 dyno "pulls".

If you would be interested in being an official part of the team, and/or would like to contribute in any way, from providing information, all the way up to supplying parts, every single person will get credit and official team members will divide any winnings.

If we get a team going, Iíll make it an official, numbered Racing Studebakers Team. In any event, we will keep track of the progress of the competition at, http://racingstudebakers.com/stl-web/bulletin/bb/viewforum.php?f=9 . If you have specific questions or would simply like to discuss your thoughts about the competition, please, by all means, email me.

Iím looking forward to getting the team started as soon as possible. Please join me in building this engine for the 2006 competition. Even if we donít take top honors, we will give all of Studebakering an international shot in the arm! [^]Thanks!


Sonny
http://RacingStudebakers.com

Roscomacaw
01-18-2005, 10:36 AM
You KNOW that Ken and I are in! Need an engine to start with? Parts? We gotta get Nemish or someone of his caliber on board. Ted, Bob, Jim, - you know who I'm talking about! Let's kick some small-block butt! [}:)]

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Sonny
01-18-2005, 11:23 PM
Thanks a million Bob! Now HOW did I know that you'd jump right in there with BOTH feet? ;) I suuuuure hope we can talk a few of our stars to join in the fun, and by God, we're gonna have fun! [:p]

Sonny
http://RacingStudebakers.com

DEEPNHOCK
01-19-2005, 08:43 AM
l help wherever I can Sonny, but in reading the rules, you can see that this is an advertising and marketing promotion designed to sell ad's in their magazine.... Shoot, name all the Studebaker 'commercially available' parts out there that would fit in 'their' rules....
(copy of that part of the rulebook)


COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE
"Commercially available" is defined as any engine component that is or was generally available for purchase by consumers prior to April 30, 2003 (the date of contestant selection). Contestants may be required to provide proof of purchase and/or undisputable proof of availability on any contested engine component(s) or face possible disqualification from the competition.

Man, that really ties your hands where it comes to headers, heads, and intake manifolding... Unless you want to offer up similar items for sale (and place an ad in their magazine)... But hey, that may not be a bad idea. Take a mini-ad out in one issue of their magazine and offer for sale just those components... You'd satisfy the rule and be able to use those parts. You'd just have to build up a few extra of everything.

Sounds like fun, and a challenge...
Jeff[8D]









quote:Originally posted by Sonny

Every other year, the magazine "Popular Hot Rodding", in conjunction with "Engine Masters", (http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/), sponsors a small block engine building competition. If you look at the competition website, you'll notice a couple of noteworthy things. First, there has been no Studebaker engines in the competition, and second, the engines that have previously competed put out some astronomical horse power and torque numbers. Don't be fooled though, the engines built for this competition are very specialized, and you would play hell trying to coax them into taking you to the local cruise. [:p]

So, I am planning on making sure that a Studebaker engine will be included in the 2006 competition. I've already started gathering parts and information to build the engine. I would VERY much like to make this a team effort, and not just to help with the financial part. I honestly believe that 100 heads are better than one. There is a large amount of money for the winning engine, but there's also contingency money for other competitors too.

I also honestly believe that a team could put together a competitive Studebaker engine, but as you can see from the published rules, (single 4-barrel, naturally aspirated, etc.), it will not be easy and every known trick in the book will be needed. The truest reality is that the engine has only to survive about 10 dyno "pulls".

If you would be interested in being an official part of the team, and/or would like to contribute in any way, from providing information, all the way up to supplying parts, every single person will get credit and official team members will divide any winnings.

If we get a team going, Iíll make it an official, numbered Racing Studebakers Team. In any event, we will keep track of the progress of the competition at, http://racingstudebakers.com/stl-web/bulletin/bb/viewforum.php?f=9 . If you have specific questions or would simply like to discuss your thoughts about the competition, please, by all means, email me.

Iím looking forward to getting the team started as soon as possible. Please join me in building this engine for the 2006 competition. Even if we donít take top honors, we will give all of Studebakering an international shot in the arm! [^]Thanks!


Sonny
http://RacingStudebakers.com


DEEPNHOCK@worldnet.att.net
'61 Hawk
'37 Coupe Express
http://community.webshots.com/user/deepnhock

Sonny
01-19-2005, 08:54 AM
Uhm, I meant to have a chat with you about WHO was gonna be making and selling those items Jeffster. [:p] I think we have the fella who's a genius with heads, and didn't you mention something about a pipe bender and I noticed that you do one HELL of a job on intakes. Ah, do you think your ad will only have to run in one magazine? :D

Sonny
http://RacingStudebakers.com

Roscomacaw
01-19-2005, 11:34 AM
:D

Miscreant at large.

Kdancy
01-19-2005, 11:50 AM
Jeff has hit it on the head. It is really a vendor contest just to bring attention to their advertiser's adds. Still could do the project as the results would be fun and we might find out a new thing or two about performance mods.

53commander HDTP
53 Champion HDTP
64 Champ long bed V8
64 GT

Sonny
01-19-2005, 08:26 PM
quote:Originally posted by Kdancy

Jeff has hit it on the head. It is really a vendor contest just to bring attention to their advertiser's adds. Still could do the project as the results would be fun and we might find out a new thing or two about performance mods.

53commander HDTP
53 Champion HDTP
64 Champ long bed V8
64 GT


That, AND it would be nice to have a Studebaker team giving the whole of Studebakering a good shot in the international arm. [8D] Hell, even for nothing more than to let the brand-x crowd know that we're not the push-overs that they keep telling each other we are. [B)]

Sonny
http://RacingStudebakers.com

Roscomacaw
01-19-2005, 09:57 PM
I make a motion that we try and see if some of our favorite vendors would like to run small ads so that we technically qualify. Hell, I'd even throw in some bucks to BUY those ads for vendors if that's what it took.
As the tone of this is developing - maybe we WON'T even come close to "winning" - but they'll damned sure know we're here. And the magazine will have to AT LEAST give some acknowledgement to the world of Studebakering as more than just a sheet metal source! [}:)]

Miscreant at large.

Sonny
01-19-2005, 10:34 PM
Right ON Bob! Here's something that will make ya feel good too. I got a phone call today from a fella who bought one of Jim Lang's engines, he wanted to DONATE it to the cause! [:0] Yep, no lie, and anything ELSE he could do! How's THAT for support?! Oh! BTW, he doesnít hang out on the computer, he heard about it, got my number and called me.

What can ya say about a great fella like that huh? Only thing is, it's built for dual turbos and he doesn't want it punched to the max, and who can blame him. It's set up for roller tappets and THOUSANDS of dollars worth of parts and machine work! He was deadly serious, so we definitely have an awesome trump card.

I'm so damn proud of some in the Studebaker community right now that I can't even put in words. I've been fielding calls and emails all day!!! This IS gonna be a TEAM effort, how can it get any better than that? Hell, we just might be able to stretch that "15 minutes of fame" for Studebakering to, oh, mebbe 16 or 17 minutes! :D

Sonny
http://RacingStudebakers.com

DEEPNHOCK
01-20-2005, 07:22 AM
I'll build you whatever you need that I have the ability to build Sonny... And I will build a couple three and offer them for sale, just to satisfy 'the rules'..
I also believe that just the effort will draw attention to the cause... You may get ruled out, but I'd bet there's an article in that there story...
Jeff[8D]









quote:Originally posted by Sonny

Uhm, I meant to have a chat with you about WHO was gonna be making and selling those items Jeffster. [:p] I think we have the fella who's a genius with heads, and didn't you mention something about a pipe bender and I noticed that you do one HELL of a job on intakes. Ah, do you think your ad will only have to run in one magazine? :D

Sonny
http://RacingStudebakers.com


DEEPNHOCK@worldnet.att.net
'61 Hawk
'37 Coupe Express
http://community.webshots.com/user/deepnhock

11SecAvanti
01-20-2005, 08:52 AM
The donor engine looks very promising. Under the rules no boost is allowed so with only natural aspiration conditions I see the following engine change requirements. The compression is going to have to go way up. I am sure the current compression is down around 7.5:1. because it was designed to survive high boost. This will mean a piston change. The cam, though roller, mostly likely has a turbo grind on it and that also may need to be changed. Then the intake will need to be upgraded to a ram design and etc. Then testing will be needed, etc. A challenge for sure because whatever you build is going to be controlled by the parameters of the competition rules. If the requirements of the rules can be satisfied I think the focus should be on surviving the 10 dyno pulls with a respectable high torgue and hp numbers. We are at a 100 cubic inch displacement disadvantage on the first round and it is up hill from there.

Start and Stage Your Studebakers

Roscomacaw
01-20-2005, 05:03 PM
OK - OK...... I don't want to get TOO far ahead here. [:p] But I think we ought to paint this thing the OD green that Stude used for the year that their V8 was introduced. Sort of a "Plain Brown Wrapper" approach! [}:)][}:)][}:)]:D I'm thinkin' maybe "Ugly Green Thing. ;) No gleaming chrome - black, painted valve covers and such. A literal "sleeper" of an engine! [}:)]

Miscreant at large.

Sonny
01-20-2005, 10:32 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

OK - OK...... I don't want to get TOO far ahead here. [:p] But I think we ought to paint this thing the OD green that Stude used for the year that their V8 was introduced. Sort of a "Plain Brown Wrapper" approach! [}:)][}:)][}:)]:D I'm thinkin' maybe "Ugly Green Thing. ;) No gleaming chrome - black, painted valve covers and such. A literal "sleeper" of an engine! [}:)]

Miscreant at large.


I'd say that's a Capital idea! [8D]

Sonny
http://RacingStudebakers.com

Dan White
01-24-2005, 06:12 PM
Just a thought, but wasn't the R4 the most powerful naturally aspirated Stude V8? I believe it had a 12 to 1 or there abouts compression ratio. Maybe using it as a model would be a good starting place?

Dan White


Dan White
64 R1 GT

Sonny
01-24-2005, 07:02 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dan White

Just a thought, but wasn't the R4 the most powerful naturally aspirated Stude V8? I believe it had a 12 to 1 or there abouts compression ratio. Maybe using it as a model would be a good starting place?

Dan White


Dan White
64 R1 GT


Yes it was Dan. It shared the R3 components and was of course, lower in horsepower. Although we're looking at what components we can use from the R-series engines, it looks like it all has to be upgraded and, in the case of some of it, highly modified. The engine that we're working on now is probably gonna be way more "over the top" than the factory, (or Paxton actually), ever tried, or even cared about trying. This engine is something more akin to the highly specialized, all out, limited run time, drag racing engines Dan, and as I joked about, would be hard pressed to get you to and from the local cruise. [:p] I'm sure it's really gonna be something to hear it run, but we're only asking it to survive about 10 "pulls" on the dyno. Thanks for the suggestions though, 100 brains are always better than one. [^]

Sonny
http://RacingStudebakers.com