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drstude
08-25-2006, 11:18 PM
Are the frames interchangable between a 2 and 4 door Lark? Both are '59's? I had a nova front end grafted to my 59 lark a few years ago and now its time to 'fix' it. The guy I hired to do it did a lousy job. I have a donor 4 door that I would like to put a phantom auto works front end kit on and swap the frames out. Any thoughts? thanks

Mike Sal
08-25-2006, 11:51 PM
As far as I could tell they are the same. I just cut up one of each (they were way too rusty to save) and I don't remember seeing anything different between the 2.
Mike Sal

StudeDave57
08-25-2006, 11:58 PM
Maybe only if one's a six and the other's an eight... [?]

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...)
'57 Commander 2dr
'57 Champion 2dr
'58 Packard sedan
'65 Cruiser

studee64
08-26-2006, 09:43 AM
Difference in wheel base makes the 4 door longer than the 2 door..

Barry Leppan
Burlington, Ont. Canada
64 Daytona HT 5-spd
64 GT Hawk R-1/AC/4-spd

drstude
08-26-2006, 09:56 AM
I guess that is the real question. Is the wheel base the same?

Dick Steinkamp
08-26-2006, 10:01 AM
quote:Originally posted by studee64

Difference in wheel base makes the 4 door longer than the 2 door..



In '59 and '60, the 2 and 4 door sedans both rode on a 108 1/2" wheelbase. The station wagon and taxicab had a 113" wheelbase. The Sport Coupe had a 120 1/2" wheelbase.

I don't have a parts book, but I would guess the frames are the same.


http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Roscomacaw
08-26-2006, 03:15 PM
Parts book calls out the same part number for a 2-door or 4-door.[^] For 59 & 60 as well.;)

Additionally, 2-dr wagons, 4-dr wagons and Y-bodys shared one frame.:)

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

studee64
08-26-2006, 05:19 PM
Same size, eh.. !!

Pretty tricky, those Studebaker cars, eh !!

Tks,




Barry Leppan
Burlington, Ont. Canada
64 Daytona HT 5-spd
64 GT Hawk R-1/AC/4-spd

Roscomacaw
08-26-2006, 07:54 PM
Speakin' of 59-60 Larks, my pal Steve stopped by for a visit a bit ago. Always sweet to lay eyes on his purdy '60 Sweetie! It's got a late truck 289 (that I led him to) and 3-spd OD. Nice, nice car! My wife always coos about this Lark every time she sees it. Today was no exception.[8D]

http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/1158216964994_StevesLark.jpg

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

Dick Steinkamp
08-26-2006, 08:47 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Speakin' of 59-60 Larks, my pal Steve stopped by for a visit a bit ago.


That IS a cutie [:p]. You need a picture of that parked next to your convert [^]

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

JRoberts
08-27-2006, 12:44 AM
There was a brief mention of this, but it is important enough that I thought i would mention it again. Be sure that if your recipient car is a V-8 that the donor frame too is from a V-8 car. The gauge of the steel is different for 6 and 8 cylindr cars.
Joe Roberts

studeclunker
08-27-2006, 02:33 AM
So adding an 8 to a car that has a six could be problematic in the chassis department? Oooo nasty! I guess that little sedan of mine will get the six out of the truck after all.

Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

klifton1
08-27-2006, 12:23 PM
Joe
Where did you get the frame thickness info. on the 6 or V8 ?
Klif

55 Speedster
42 Champ Coupe

Roscomacaw
08-27-2006, 02:54 PM
In all reality, there's been lots of Lark 6s re-engined with V8s thru the years. I've not heard of any failures or even fit problems due to this. Maybe it has to do with the shorter wheelbase or something, but even the later Y-bodied Larks aren't folding in half with a 259 or 289.[}:)]
C-K & Hawk frames - yeah, they have POTENTIAL problems. And I think ANY late Stude car ought to have it's front crossmember-to-side rail attachment points looked at from time to time. But even with that, there's lots of those cars running around with V8s when they started life as 6-cylinder cars.

BTW, we have hashed this out before. You WON'T find a 6-cylinder frame or an 8-cylinder frame in the parts books. The books list one frame for both engine options. Likely, this was because it didn't make sense to stock factory replacement frames in two sizes when the heavier gage frames would fit either one! And with as numerous as frame repair shops used to be, there probably weren't a whole lot of replacement frames sold anyway!:D

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

drstude
08-27-2006, 09:00 PM
Lucky for me (nice to know it happens every once in a while!) the donor car is an 8. In fact, it is where i got the 259 that i put in the original Lark 6. I made the mistake of trusting a guy that said he could make it drive like a new car with the nova front end graft. What he failed to mention is that he didn't know exactly what he was doing and severl months and dollars later I ended up with a frankenstien car that can't clear a roll of quarters. (The clearence under the front crossmember is about 1 inch.) Interestingly though he did a friends 62 Daytona and it turned out perfect! There is that luck thing! So now I'm going back to the drawing board, rebuilding the frame from the donor car and moving on. Has anyone out there used the kit from phantom Auto works that they advertise as no cutting or welding that will give your old Stude frame the modern geometry of a mustang 2? Would love to have some feedback on that one! Thanks!

Transtar60
08-27-2006, 09:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by klifton1

Joe
Where did you get the frame thickness info. on the 6 or V8 ?
Klif

55 Speedster
42 Champ Coupe


Its in the front of the car shop manual, in the 59-64 books there are several pages covering each year.

5E13
7E7
8E7
8E12
8E28
4E2
59 Lark
etc

StudeDave57
08-27-2006, 09:35 PM
I thought about the rack and pinion swap you ponder. When I called they told me it's something they came up with for the C/K bodies~ not so-much for my sedans or wagon. :( :( [V]
Not to say you couldn't use it, but I wasn't ready to take it to a rod shop for 'engineering', installation and such. I have no way to do it if it's not a 'bolt-on' at this point in my life... :( [V] ;)


StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...)
'57 Commander 2dr
'57 Champion 2dr
'58 Packard sedan
'65 Cruiser

klifton1
08-27-2006, 09:57 PM
Whats wrong with the Studebaker front end that a rebuild won't cure?
The yellow Lark convertable, on the SDC web site header is a car I restored back in the mid 90s, drove it 30,000 miles. Sold it to a fellow from Pa. He's still driving it. He's mentioned little or no problems.
Klif

55 Speedster
42 Champ Coupe

StudeDave57
08-27-2006, 10:14 PM
I was thinking about putting the rack and pinion on my '65 Cruiser, and maybe my '57 Parkview. Both cars have over 200k on them~ the Cruiser just turned 266,000!!! They both have TONS of play in the steering gearbox, I was thinking that this might be a nice improvement, and a way to get rid of the worn out parts. ;) [^]

My '57 Commander OTOH is still under 100K and is no trouble at all~ she's tight as, well I better not go there!!! [:0] :) [:0] :D [:0] :) [:0] :D [:0] :) [:0] [}:)]


StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...)
'57 Commander 2dr
'57 Champion 2dr
'58 Packard sedan
'65 Cruiser