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OzarkPetunia
04-30-2010, 11:43 AM
Hiya folks!

Trying again to see if anyone has pics of the lines running to and from the oil filter canister. Fred posted pics (OzarkMan) of the hoses we have that technically REACH where they're supposed to go but sure don't seem to be a good idea.

(The pics show that the canister is still orange from when it was mounted on the fender ~ I'll fix that once we figure out how to plumb it.)

Were they originally installed with rigid lines? (RICH?)

Thanks again for all the advice ~ the Super Coop would still be sitting neglected under somebody else's carport if it weren't for you all!!!!!!!

~Rose

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55 prez
04-30-2010, 11:55 AM
Rose, If I remember correctly my sons '53 had a combination flex/rigid supply line from an oil gallery plug at back engine and a rigid return line to the oil filler pipe. The filter had a mount that attached to two head bolts toward the front of the engine.

Jim Caldwell
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OzarkPetunia
04-30-2010, 12:06 PM
Thanks, Jim.

I stress over the details, and one of them is that the fitting on the bottom of the canister is at 90 degrees, but the mounting bracket puts it pretty close to the oil filler tube and if that fitting is plumbed to the fitting at the bottom of the oil filler tube then it sure seems to unnecessarily bend the hose.

Maybe it's the wrong fitting?

That's why I'm HOPING for pictures.

:)

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StudeRich
04-30-2010, 12:33 PM
Rose; the Orange Paint is Correct for a Factory Installed Fram Filter, but not the lid and bracket, they're Black.

The Return to the filler pipe is the CENTER fitting, NOT the outboard (or side) on some models. [:0]

StudeRich

55 prez
04-30-2010, 08:27 PM
The most important thing about the oil filter is the restrictor fitting on the inlet hose or pipe. If its already there don't change a thing. I have a complete spin on filter unit for a six cylinder but hoses and fittings could all be different because so many were dealer installed.

Jim Caldwell
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D Davis
05-01-2010, 05:42 AM
Do you have pictures of the spin on unit installed? I am thinking of getting this type fro my 51 Champion and 46 M5. Do you know where to get them? Thanks

52-fan
05-01-2010, 07:13 AM
Rose I forgot that you were looking for info on the oil filter. I would have already sent some pictures of the engine in the 53 behind the house. If we don't wash away, I'll try to get some pictures this evening after work or tomorrow.

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jackb
05-01-2010, 08:04 AM
unless you want to roll the dice on softer copper lines...you MUST use rubber presure hoses for BOTH connections....Make sure they are fresh hoses, not NOS....

52-fan
05-01-2010, 08:16 AM
Rose if you search 'champion oil filter' it will take you to a link on the Racing Studebakers site with pictures of a Champion filter set up. The one shown uses a rubber line to the oil galley, but it has the after-market orange canister. I keep thinking that the factory installed filters used a steel line that tucked in closer to the engine. I think Joe's 56 pickup has a filter. I'll check it also.

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garyash
05-01-2010, 10:52 AM
Here are the instructions for earlier Champ 6 engines. I don't think they changed much in later years. I prefer using steel or stainless tube for things like oil and gas lines so that they don't blow out while you are driving down the road. Copper is easier to bend but will fatigue from vibration and crack.
http://www.studegarage.com/images/other/oil_filter_instructions_vsm5.jpg

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OzarkPetunia
05-01-2010, 10:57 AM
Thanks for all the info!

Rich, I don't know WHERE I got the idea but I thought that only the canisters that were added later were orange. (Like Howard is thinking.) Hmph! The stuff I don't know... :)

I was pretty sure we get WHERE to make the connections (meaning which fitting to which fitting) but it's the HOW that I don't get. If we use the rubber hose for the inlet, then it comes frightfully close to the manifold and that sure seems like a bad idea. I already experienced the result of this from the way the PO installed the lines when the canister was mounted on the fender. One of them was pretty close to the exhaust pipe and had that cool (probably asbestos) heat sheath on it. Made a HUGE cloud of smoke and scared the daylights out of me. I was so relieved it was "just" the oil line and that it happened on a side street and not the freeway!

I know that we can figure out a way to install the lines that would be safe and functional, I'm just hoping to find out how they "should" have looked because I'm trying to reverse years of "good enough" work that was done on the Super Coop. That said, please don't slide under the car to see the homemade brackets I came up with for the new fuel line.[}:)] But wow I'd think she'll run better without that section of old line that you probably could have played like a flute! It pretty much fell apart as I removed it.

Jim, thanks for the reminder about the fitting! I'll dig up last years Turning Wheels and find the article. If I recall, it described that in detail.

Howard, thanks for the tip on finding more info and definitely send pictures if you can!

Today MIGHT be the day... If I get off the computer and get back out there!!!!

And for the record, I'm NOT the only perfectionist involved. Fred made me practice dent removal on the fan shroud. Came out MUCH better than I thought! That big, sparkly hunk of turquoise deserves it. Puuuuuurdy!

:D

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52-fan
05-01-2010, 06:18 PM
Okay, I took some pictures of the very dirty engine in the 53. The main difference with the 39 shown is the location of the tube were the drain goes. This car actually has the orange filter canister so it was added after it left the factory. You will see that it does use a rubber line around to the pass. side of the block and it has the fabric cover over some of the line. The heat shield on the fuel pump has already been removed, but it might help hold the hose away from the exhaust. Of more interest to me was the simple little bracket that holds the hose at the corner of the head. I should have scraped the glob of dirt off, but you can see the shape. I think the bracket on top would keep the hose further from the exhaust if it were turned to run the hose straight over the front of the engine. You could also clamp the hose to a bolt on the timing cover. (I just remembered that I had the head off when I freed the valves up so I could have turned the bracket when I retorqued the head.
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stehlik
05-01-2010, 07:29 PM
Pictures from my 51 Champ. The hard line coming off the side runs around the head and down between the fuel pump and the timing cover. The line coming out the bottom goes to the oil fill tube. It also is a hard line.
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I hope you can follow the lines in the pictures. Bob

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52-fan
05-01-2010, 08:17 PM
Those metal lines are neater looking.
Two things strike me about this engine. One is the filler tube angling toward the front and the other is the filter canister being mounted so far back on the engine. Not important to Rose's question though.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s186/52-fan/StudebakersofArkansas2-1.jpg"In the heart of Arkansas."
1952 Champion Starlight w/overdrive. Searcy, Arkansas

StudeRich
05-01-2010, 09:06 PM
Bob, yours looks pretty neat, but everything is backwards!

The Oil Filler Pipe is backwards and the Oil Filter goes FORWARD of the Coil.

I think they did that because the filter was also higher ABOVE the head, so there was room to bring the line around the pipe or straight UP to the filter.

We need some better examples, so far 52-fan's is by far the best, and Gary's is too old because the filler pipe is not in back on later cars, I think just some trucks.

52-fan can so show Rose or tell her what the return line looks like (routing)?

StudeRich

stehlik
05-01-2010, 09:54 PM
The oil filler pipe is correct for 53-60 that I am sure of. The filter on the 53 is in front of the coil. For the later 1960 engine it is in the rear. Since the engine I showed in the pictures is a later engine everything is correct. I was trying to show the steel lines and where they go. on a 6 cyl. to help him try to figure out the proper placement. Now their might be some difference in mine and his but the 6 didn't change that much. Just trying to help. Bob

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52-fan
05-02-2010, 08:25 AM
I thought maybe that the oil filter canister had been moved because the engine was modified. Funny how you can look at a car somewhere and, because everything looks fine, not notice the details. Of course, the location and shape of the oil fill pipe changed some on trucks and cars and many engines have been swapped around.
The return line on the 53 was missing when I took the pictures. The line was so brittle that I took it off a while back. Basically the hose just comes out of the fitting on the canister, makes a gentle bend downward and connects to a fitting at the base of the oil fill pipe.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s186/52-fan/StudebakersofArkansas2-1.jpg"In the heart of Arkansas."
1952 Champion Starlight w/overdrive. Searcy, Arkansas

OzarkPetunia
05-02-2010, 08:48 PM
You guys have posted great pictures, THANKS!!!

The fuel pump on mine has the intake and outlet on the lower half so we'd need to look at that last part of the routing.

Now where does one get that neat heat shield stuff?

And any thoughts on fabricating that bracket that guides the hose at the corner of the head?

We just put about 30 miles on the new engine! It's SO much more fun running on all 6 cylinders! Now to figure out the noisey 1st and 2nd gears... Sounds kinda like an old truck. {sigh}

THANKS FOR THE HELP, as always!

Fayetteville, AR
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