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tstclr
02-24-2007, 08:10 AM
I was reading an article in the Sept 88 TW about a 57 Golden Hawk 400 that a fellow was restoring. By the production order it may be the first one built. It shows "SPECIAL SHOW" for the destination and has a bunch of writing on the rear including "THIS CAR TO HAVE THE UPMOST IN CARE AND WORKMANSHIP" Imagine sending away for a production order on your car and having one come back like this! The VIN is 6102851. The owner at the time was a Mr. Roger Singerling. The car was a basket case at the time. Does anyone know if it was eventually restored?
Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan
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kmul221
02-24-2007, 09:27 AM
I've read that no known G/H 400's survived as I believe the # produced was very low.I have seen a few clones over the years but never a "real one."

kmul221
02-24-2007, 09:27 AM
I've read that no known G/H 400's survived as I believe the # produced was very low.I have seen a few clones over the years but never a "real one."

wpsrea
02-24-2007, 09:30 AM
What is a Golden Hawk 400? I'm still new at this but thought I had heard of all the Hawks.

wpsrea
02-24-2007, 09:30 AM
What is a Golden Hawk 400? I'm still new at this but thought I had heard of all the Hawks.

StudeDave57
02-24-2007, 09:57 AM
It's true, there were very few Golden Hawk '400s' built- wasn't it something like 50? I know (knew) of one down in the Jacksonville, Fl area. I hope it's not the only one!!! I think it has since changed hands, and hopefully is getting the restoration it deserves.
Matt knows more about this one then I do...

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

StudeDave57
02-24-2007, 09:57 AM
It's true, there were very few Golden Hawk '400s' built- wasn't it something like 50? I know (knew) of one down in the Jacksonville, Fl area. I hope it's not the only one!!! I think it has since changed hands, and hopefully is getting the restoration it deserves.
Matt knows more about this one then I do...

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

gord holden
02-24-2007, 10:06 AM
there was 51, 400s made 10 show cars 41 regular production cars.9 out of 51 have survived,maybee more.leather interior,

gh

gord holden
02-24-2007, 10:06 AM
there was 51, 400s made 10 show cars 41 regular production cars.9 out of 51 have survived,maybee more.leather interior,

gh

r1lark
02-24-2007, 10:30 AM
quote:Originally posted by kmul221

I've read that no known G/H 400's survived as I believe the # produced was very low.I have seen a few clones over the years but never a "real one."


A number of years ago (10+) Jack White in NC owned one of the Golden Hawk 400s. It had been somewhat modified, so it was not immediately apparent when looking at it. IIRC, Jack found out it was a 400 when he got the production order from N&A. I am not sure what happened to this car after he sold it.

Paul

Visit The Studebaker Skytop Registry website at: http://hometown.aol.com/r1skytop/myhomepage/index.html

r1lark
02-24-2007, 10:30 AM
quote:Originally posted by kmul221

I've read that no known G/H 400's survived as I believe the # produced was very low.I have seen a few clones over the years but never a "real one."


A number of years ago (10+) Jack White in NC owned one of the Golden Hawk 400s. It had been somewhat modified, so it was not immediately apparent when looking at it. IIRC, Jack found out it was a 400 when he got the production order from N&A. I am not sure what happened to this car after he sold it.

Paul

Visit The Studebaker Skytop Registry website at: http://hometown.aol.com/r1skytop/myhomepage/index.html

studegary
02-24-2007, 02:07 PM
The Golden Hawk 400 had the leather seats that were later used in the Packard Hawk. The Golden Hawk 400 also had a slightly different two-tone paint treatment involving the side grille openings.

There are probably more GH 400 clones/recreations around than there are true GH 400s. I have recently been in correspondence with someone looking to buy one. The one he is looking to buy has a four speed which, of course, is incorrect.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

studegary
02-24-2007, 02:07 PM
The Golden Hawk 400 had the leather seats that were later used in the Packard Hawk. The Golden Hawk 400 also had a slightly different two-tone paint treatment involving the side grille openings.

There are probably more GH 400 clones/recreations around than there are true GH 400s. I have recently been in correspondence with someone looking to buy one. The one he is looking to buy has a four speed which, of course, is incorrect.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

rockinhawk
02-25-2007, 08:34 AM
I think the car Dave referred to belonged to Nollie Hinton of Callaghan Fla. He kept it stored in a truck with a van body. He told me he sold the whole package last year. I don't where it went. NT


Neil Thornton
Hazlehurst, GA
'57 Silver Hawk
'56 Sky Hawk
'51 2R16 dump truck
Many others.
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rockinhawk
02-25-2007, 08:34 AM
I think the car Dave referred to belonged to Nollie Hinton of Callaghan Fla. He kept it stored in a truck with a van body. He told me he sold the whole package last year. I don't where it went. NT


Neil Thornton
Hazlehurst, GA
'57 Silver Hawk
'56 Sky Hawk
'51 2R16 dump truck
Many others.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar2.jpg

mbstude
02-25-2007, 08:41 AM
quote:It's true, there were very few Golden Hawk '400s' built- wasn't it something like 50? I know (knew) of one down in the Jacksonville, Fl area. I hope it's not the only one!!! I think it has since changed hands, and hopefully is getting the restoration it deserves.
Matt knows more about this one then I do...


Yep, that was Nollie in Callahan. I'll email him and ask him where he let it get to...

__________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/truck_pretty_sky.jpg
http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/

mbstude
02-25-2007, 08:41 AM
quote:It's true, there were very few Golden Hawk '400s' built- wasn't it something like 50? I know (knew) of one down in the Jacksonville, Fl area. I hope it's not the only one!!! I think it has since changed hands, and hopefully is getting the restoration it deserves.
Matt knows more about this one then I do...


Yep, that was Nollie in Callahan. I'll email him and ask him where he let it get to...

__________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/truck_pretty_sky.jpg
http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/

8E45E
02-25-2007, 09:26 AM
[quote]Originally posted by studegary

The Golden Hawk 400 had the leather seats that were later used in the Packard Hawk. The Golden Hawk 400 also had a slightly different two-tone paint treatment involving the side grille openings.

This may be the only piece of showroom literature on the GH 400:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/161/402026477_004fb77e27.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/186/402026482_6c13c337d5.jpg?v=0

Craig

8E45E
02-25-2007, 09:26 AM
[quote]Originally posted by studegary

The Golden Hawk 400 had the leather seats that were later used in the Packard Hawk. The Golden Hawk 400 also had a slightly different two-tone paint treatment involving the side grille openings.

This may be the only piece of showroom literature on the GH 400:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/161/402026477_004fb77e27.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/186/402026482_6c13c337d5.jpg?v=0

Craig

mbstude
02-25-2007, 07:33 PM
I got a reply from Nollie. He said, "I sold it to man that lives in Bryceville, Fl and somewhere in Tenn. He said he was going to restore it but I don't know. Have not heard from him in a while."


__________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/truck_pretty_sky.jpg
http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/

mbstude
02-25-2007, 07:33 PM
I got a reply from Nollie. He said, "I sold it to man that lives in Bryceville, Fl and somewhere in Tenn. He said he was going to restore it but I don't know. Have not heard from him in a while."


__________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/truck_pretty_sky.jpg
http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/

Lon E. Wright
02-28-2007, 12:02 AM
Does anyone possibly know the VIN#s of these Golden Hawk 400s

Lon E. Wright
02-28-2007, 12:02 AM
Does anyone possibly know the VIN#s of these Golden Hawk 400s

BobPalma
02-28-2007, 09:13 AM
quote:Originally posted by tstclr

I was reading an article in the Sept 88 TW about a 57 Golden Hawk 400 that a fellow was restoring. By the production order it may be the first one built. It shows "SPECIAL SHOW" for the destination and has a bunch of writing on the rear including "THIS CAR TO HAVE THE UPMOST IN CARE AND WORKMANSHIP" Imagine sending away for a production order on your car and having one come back like this! The VIN is 6102851. The owner at the time was a Mr. Roger Singerling. The car was a basket case at the time. Does anyone know if it was eventually restored?
Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c351/tstclr/larkavitar.jpg



TODD: The authority on 1957 Golden Hawk 400s is SDCer Tom Lawlis of Plainfield IN. He does not "do" e-mail and is not on this forum, but is a good friend of mine. Tom has established the most thorough data base on Golden Hawk 400s (extant cars and otherwise) known to the Studebaker hobby. Tom is currently restoring "400" #6104044, one of the 41 production 1957 400s. It has been in his family since 1960.

According to Tom (and he is to be believed), there were ten (10) pre-production "show" Golden Hawk 400s built before the "regular" (if you can call it that) run of 41 additional, production 400s were built.

The one you reference here, #6102851, was #7 of the 10 pre-production show cars. To the best of Tom's knowledge, #6102851 is now owned by PA SDCer Steven Wichowski, although it has been several years since Tom verified this. Restoration on it continues. :) BP

BobPalma
02-28-2007, 09:13 AM
quote:Originally posted by tstclr

I was reading an article in the Sept 88 TW about a 57 Golden Hawk 400 that a fellow was restoring. By the production order it may be the first one built. It shows "SPECIAL SHOW" for the destination and has a bunch of writing on the rear including "THIS CAR TO HAVE THE UPMOST IN CARE AND WORKMANSHIP" Imagine sending away for a production order on your car and having one come back like this! The VIN is 6102851. The owner at the time was a Mr. Roger Singerling. The car was a basket case at the time. Does anyone know if it was eventually restored?
Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c351/tstclr/larkavitar.jpg



TODD: The authority on 1957 Golden Hawk 400s is SDCer Tom Lawlis of Plainfield IN. He does not "do" e-mail and is not on this forum, but is a good friend of mine. Tom has established the most thorough data base on Golden Hawk 400s (extant cars and otherwise) known to the Studebaker hobby. Tom is currently restoring "400" #6104044, one of the 41 production 1957 400s. It has been in his family since 1960.

According to Tom (and he is to be believed), there were ten (10) pre-production "show" Golden Hawk 400s built before the "regular" (if you can call it that) run of 41 additional, production 400s were built.

The one you reference here, #6102851, was #7 of the 10 pre-production show cars. To the best of Tom's knowledge, #6102851 is now owned by PA SDCer Steven Wichowski, although it has been several years since Tom verified this. Restoration on it continues. :) BP

studegary
02-28-2007, 02:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by Lon E. Wright

Does anyone possibly know the VIN#s of these Golden Hawk 400s


The serial numbers of original Golden Hawk 400s are known. The list has not been published in order to deter the manufacture of fakes. If you have a car that you believe to be an authentic Golden Hawk 400, you can submit your S/N for verification.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

studegary
02-28-2007, 02:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by Lon E. Wright

Does anyone possibly know the VIN#s of these Golden Hawk 400s


The serial numbers of original Golden Hawk 400s are known. The list has not been published in order to deter the manufacture of fakes. If you have a car that you believe to be an authentic Golden Hawk 400, you can submit your S/N for verification.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

BobPalma
02-28-2007, 02:40 PM
quote:Originally posted by studegary


quote:Originally posted by Lon E. Wright

Does anyone possibly know the VIN#s of these Golden Hawk 400s


The serial numbers of original Golden Hawk 400s are known. The list has not been published in order to deter the manufacture of fakes. If you have a car that you believe to be an authentic Golden Hawk 400, you can submit your S/N for verification.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)


:) Yes, what Gary said. Because Tom Lawlis is not on the Forum, I will pass along to Tom anyone's Serial Number if they believe they have an authentic 1957 Golden Hawk 400. ;)[:p][:0] Tom has supplied me with copies of all his research to date. :) BP

BobPalma
02-28-2007, 02:40 PM
quote:Originally posted by studegary


quote:Originally posted by Lon E. Wright

Does anyone possibly know the VIN#s of these Golden Hawk 400s


The serial numbers of original Golden Hawk 400s are known. The list has not been published in order to deter the manufacture of fakes. If you have a car that you believe to be an authentic Golden Hawk 400, you can submit your S/N for verification.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)


:) Yes, what Gary said. Because Tom Lawlis is not on the Forum, I will pass along to Tom anyone's Serial Number if they believe they have an authentic 1957 Golden Hawk 400. ;)[:p][:0] Tom has supplied me with copies of all his research to date. :) BP