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kpcoupe
02-14-2007, 09:46 PM
i have a 57 silver hawk i just purchased not to long ago along with 53 lowey coupe. the hawk is all there but the coupe has been modifed and has no motor. one of my friends wants to trade me a rebuilt 396 driveline, motor,tranny,ignition and everything but motor mounts and drive shaft for the 57 so i can put it in the lowey. what should i do?

Roscomacaw
02-14-2007, 09:53 PM
Whatever you feel good about.;)

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1958 Provincial wagon
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Roscomacaw
02-14-2007, 09:53 PM
Whatever you feel good about.;)

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1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Randy_G
02-14-2007, 09:53 PM
PASS! thank you but I think I would have PASS! If your 57 is a Hardtop/six then there was only 120 built. If its a coupe/six then there was 4,163. 9,607 if its a Coupe/V-8. I think GM built considerably more 396's than that in 1965 alone. Just my two cents.

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Randy_G
02-14-2007, 09:53 PM
PASS! thank you but I think I would have PASS! If your 57 is a Hardtop/six then there was only 120 built. If its a coupe/six then there was 4,163. 9,607 if its a Coupe/V-8. I think GM built considerably more 396's than that in 1965 alone. Just my two cents.

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StudeRich
02-14-2007, 09:57 PM
That all depends on how much you like all original and complete '57 Silver Hawks! I like original cars and would restore it, but if you want still another Chevy powered (or is it Chrysler?) '53 coupe and can come up with the rear end you will need to "hold that tiger", then go for it!

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
02-14-2007, 09:57 PM
That all depends on how much you like all original and complete '57 Silver Hawks! I like original cars and would restore it, but if you want still another Chevy powered (or is it Chrysler?) '53 coupe and can come up with the rear end you will need to "hold that tiger", then go for it!

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

kpcoupe
02-14-2007, 09:59 PM
it is a v8 coupe and it does need a full restore but i will not get to do it until i finish my lowey. i guess the real question is in ten years will i regret getting rid of the hawk? or will be able to get another one for $1000 that is all there?

kpcoupe
02-14-2007, 09:59 PM
it is a v8 coupe and it does need a full restore but i will not get to do it until i finish my lowey. i guess the real question is in ten years will i regret getting rid of the hawk? or will be able to get another one for $1000 that is all there?

kpcoupe
02-14-2007, 10:01 PM
does anyone know where i can get a v8 stude motor and tranny for the lowey close to arkansas or missouri

kpcoupe
02-14-2007, 10:01 PM
does anyone know where i can get a v8 stude motor and tranny for the lowey close to arkansas or missouri

StudeRich
02-14-2007, 10:03 PM
Randy, this guy is in the USA, there are no Hardtop '57 Silver Hawks, and thank God, very few 6 cyl. ones, mostly 289's! This is a very cool looking performance car, not a sled !

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
02-14-2007, 10:03 PM
Randy, this guy is in the USA, there are no Hardtop '57 Silver Hawks, and thank God, very few 6 cyl. ones, mostly 289's! This is a very cool looking performance car, not a sled !

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

kpcoupe
02-14-2007, 10:11 PM
soory i am not a studebaker genius, i am just a 26 year old fan my grandpa has a few and i have always wanted a lowey. i would also like a 56 golden hawk like my grandpas. he has the last production gold and white.

kpcoupe
02-14-2007, 10:11 PM
soory i am not a studebaker genius, i am just a 26 year old fan my grandpa has a few and i have always wanted a lowey. i would also like a 56 golden hawk like my grandpas. he has the last production gold and white.

60Lark
02-14-2007, 11:41 PM
kpcoupe asked: i guess the real question is in ten years will i regret getting rid of the hawk? or will be able to get another one for $1000 that is all there?

kpcoupe - if the 57 Silver Hawk is complete and not eaten up with rust, I would keep the Hawk. Will it run? If the Hawk is a fairly straight - solid car the answer to your question is NO you will not likely find another one in ten years for $1,000 - Just my Opinion
How about posting some pics?

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60Lark
02-14-2007, 11:41 PM
kpcoupe asked: i guess the real question is in ten years will i regret getting rid of the hawk? or will be able to get another one for $1000 that is all there?

kpcoupe - if the 57 Silver Hawk is complete and not eaten up with rust, I would keep the Hawk. Will it run? If the Hawk is a fairly straight - solid car the answer to your question is NO you will not likely find another one in ten years for $1,000 - Just my Opinion
How about posting some pics?

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6ce20b3127cce8d0e3b50356c00000000400CcNWTlozYsb http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6dc03b3127cce970d7aafd15f00000010100CcNWTlozYsb
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studeclunker
02-15-2007, 01:01 AM
Yes, I do believe you will very much regret this trade. Have a little patience with the coupe. Tinker with the Hawk for now and if you can get it to run, enjoy it. Take your time with the coupe and work on the other details on it. You may want to undo some of the customizing or maybe not. Then there's the interior. There's a lot there to keep you very busy for quite a while, without worring about the drive train right now. So, Pops had a '56. Your Hawk is ALL Studebaker. Enjoy what you have. Both of your cars are very special. Don't squander one treasure just to botch the other.

In time, the motor and tranny will come for the coupe. Stick with Studebaker parts and supplies. It will pay off in the end. Be patient. I know it's hard, but you will be much happier in the end.

Just two cents worth from an opinionated old fart.



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Lotsa Larks!
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studeclunker
02-15-2007, 01:01 AM
Yes, I do believe you will very much regret this trade. Have a little patience with the coupe. Tinker with the Hawk for now and if you can get it to run, enjoy it. Take your time with the coupe and work on the other details on it. You may want to undo some of the customizing or maybe not. Then there's the interior. There's a lot there to keep you very busy for quite a while, without worring about the drive train right now. So, Pops had a '56. Your Hawk is ALL Studebaker. Enjoy what you have. Both of your cars are very special. Don't squander one treasure just to botch the other.

In time, the motor and tranny will come for the coupe. Stick with Studebaker parts and supplies. It will pay off in the end. Be patient. I know it's hard, but you will be much happier in the end.

Just two cents worth from an opinionated old fart.



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Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

Roscomacaw
02-15-2007, 10:51 AM
Again,
While I'm not next door to Arkansas or Missouri, I have a runworthy 232 setting in a '53 coupe that's gonna hafta come out. Of course, it's not a freshly rebuilt engine - no telling how many miles it's got on it - and it's grungy-lookin' for sure! But it's FREE to whoever wants to come and haul it off. I MIGHT even consider letting the 3spd O/D tranny go with it - I'd have to give it some thought.:D
But it's here, in central California as well as a bare ex-R2 block that's FOR SALE. I don't do crating, delivery or any of that.

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
02-15-2007, 10:51 AM
Again,
While I'm not next door to Arkansas or Missouri, I have a runworthy 232 setting in a '53 coupe that's gonna hafta come out. Of course, it's not a freshly rebuilt engine - no telling how many miles it's got on it - and it's grungy-lookin' for sure! But it's FREE to whoever wants to come and haul it off. I MIGHT even consider letting the 3spd O/D tranny go with it - I'd have to give it some thought.:D
But it's here, in central California as well as a bare ex-R2 block that's FOR SALE. I don't do crating, delivery or any of that.

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Jessie J.
02-15-2007, 11:00 AM
quote:Originally posted by kpcoupe

...i guess the real question is in ten years will i regret getting rid of the hawk? or will be able to get another one for $1000 that is all there?

My experience is, yes you most likely will regret it.
And no, it is not likely you will be able to find another comparable one ten years from now for anywhere near $1000
I passed on purchasing a really nice '63 Hawk a few years ago, the owners wife and son had both previously told me that it was available for $3500, however, he held out for $4500, I left him my phone # and walked, but he never budged. Bad choice on my part, identical condition Hawk's are now fetching anywhere from $15-18000
Now I never look at a Hawk without regretting my short-sighted decision.
Another consideration is the "Stock vs. Hot-Rod" aspect, where only you can decide what it is that you really want.
But I will point out that a hot-rodder will look at and desire a pristine restored example as a starting point for his project, whereas a restorer will generally pass on, have little interest in, or totally disdain, a vehicle that has substantial body modifications and/or drivetrain swaps.
For example the "chopped tops" which are popular with rodders, can render C&K coupe practically unrestorable, and the recent practice of hacking up their front fenders to install Mercedes/VW/Jeep...????
"areo" head lights can be a real deal killer as far as marketing the results to any restorer, just price a solid set of steel C&K fenders to see why. It is simply easier and cheaper for any restorer to start with a vehicle that has not been so butchered. <Oops; "modified">
My advice, (based on five decades of being involved with Studebaker's) Is either hang unto and eventually restore the Hawk, or sell it to someone who will appreciate it for what it is.
You don't need to settle for for a trade, as the Hawk if it is worth such a trade today, reasonably preserved, will be worth even more in the future, and may be sold at any time to purchase whatever drivetrain you may decide upon for your '53.
You say "the coupe has been modified and has no motor", which not uncommonly may indicate that perhaps it may need attention to a few other areas.
In what condition is the braking system, is it adequate to control the power provided by a HP Big-Block?
How about the rest of the body structure? Are the floors and frame solid and rust-free? (no cracks at the front crossmember?) Good glass all around? Window regulators all work smoothly? Interior/upholstery? Dash/instruments/switches nice or need attention?
If any of these still need attention, you will have plenty to keep yourself occupied.

Jessie J.
02-15-2007, 11:00 AM
quote:Originally posted by kpcoupe

...i guess the real question is in ten years will i regret getting rid of the hawk? or will be able to get another one for $1000 that is all there?

My experience is, yes you most likely will regret it.
And no, it is not likely you will be able to find another comparable one ten years from now for anywhere near $1000
I passed on purchasing a really nice '63 Hawk a few years ago, the owners wife and son had both previously told me that it was available for $3500, however, he held out for $4500, I left him my phone # and walked, but he never budged. Bad choice on my part, identical condition Hawk's are now fetching anywhere from $15-18000
Now I never look at a Hawk without regretting my short-sighted decision.
Another consideration is the "Stock vs. Hot-Rod" aspect, where only you can decide what it is that you really want.
But I will point out that a hot-rodder will look at and desire a pristine restored example as a starting point for his project, whereas a restorer will generally pass on, have little interest in, or totally disdain, a vehicle that has substantial body modifications and/or drivetrain swaps.
For example the "chopped tops" which are popular with rodders, can render C&K coupe practically unrestorable, and the recent practice of hacking up their front fenders to install Mercedes/VW/Jeep...????
"areo" head lights can be a real deal killer as far as marketing the results to any restorer, just price a solid set of steel C&K fenders to see why. It is simply easier and cheaper for any restorer to start with a vehicle that has not been so butchered. <Oops; "modified">
My advice, (based on five decades of being involved with Studebaker's) Is either hang unto and eventually restore the Hawk, or sell it to someone who will appreciate it for what it is.
You don't need to settle for for a trade, as the Hawk if it is worth such a trade today, reasonably preserved, will be worth even more in the future, and may be sold at any time to purchase whatever drivetrain you may decide upon for your '53.
You say "the coupe has been modified and has no motor", which not uncommonly may indicate that perhaps it may need attention to a few other areas.
In what condition is the braking system, is it adequate to control the power provided by a HP Big-Block?
How about the rest of the body structure? Are the floors and frame solid and rust-free? (no cracks at the front crossmember?) Good glass all around? Window regulators all work smoothly? Interior/upholstery? Dash/instruments/switches nice or need attention?
If any of these still need attention, you will have plenty to keep yourself occupied.

studeclunker
02-15-2007, 03:29 PM
Hey, KP, did you buy that dk. blue coupe that was for sale in Washington?

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/studebaby/54wagonblue-2.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

studeclunker
02-15-2007, 03:29 PM
Hey, KP, did you buy that dk. blue coupe that was for sale in Washington?

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/studebaby/54wagonblue-2.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

kpcoupe
02-15-2007, 04:08 PM
no i found the 2 studebakers setting in northern arkansas. his friend also had two c-cab trucks there and a sedan that looks like a 55 sedan that may not be rite but, anyway he didn't want to sell them. YET

kpcoupe
02-15-2007, 04:08 PM
no i found the 2 studebakers setting in northern arkansas. his friend also had two c-cab trucks there and a sedan that looks like a 55 sedan that may not be rite but, anyway he didn't want to sell them. YET

PackardV8
02-15-2007, 05:09 PM
Greetings, kpcoupe,

Couple of great problems to have.

(P.S. - Gentle hint here. If you are going to be in the Stude fellowship, someone sooner or later has to point out the great Raymond Loewy and Bob Bourke team designed your 1953 coupe; please, never lowey)

thnx, jv

PackardV8

PackardV8
02-15-2007, 05:09 PM
Greetings, kpcoupe,

Couple of great problems to have.

(P.S. - Gentle hint here. If you are going to be in the Stude fellowship, someone sooner or later has to point out the great Raymond Loewy and Bob Bourke team designed your 1953 coupe; please, never lowey)

thnx, jv

PackardV8

Dick Clemens
02-15-2007, 07:33 PM
I kow of a 62 engine out of a GT hawk with trans in Little Rock. If you are interested I would be glad to check it out.

Dick Clemens
02-15-2007, 07:33 PM
I kow of a 62 engine out of a GT hawk with trans in Little Rock. If you are interested I would be glad to check it out.

kpcoupe
02-15-2007, 07:36 PM
i would be very interested in the motor and trans. do you know how much he would want?

kpcoupe
02-15-2007, 07:36 PM
i would be very interested in the motor and trans. do you know how much he would want?

Dick Clemens
02-15-2007, 07:48 PM
ive me a call at 501 261 7631 Dick

Dick Clemens
02-15-2007, 07:48 PM
ive me a call at 501 261 7631 Dick