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StudeRich
02-09-2010, 09:29 PM
I was looking for the mysterious "M" Series Truck F/S in Minneapolis area and only found the "Flagged for deletion" comment, but kept looking in the C/L list and found this:

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/cto/1593584093.html

Bob: (bams50) I'll bet you don't find THIS one, in your super Nationwide search for all things Studebaker, on ebay and Craigslist! :D :D

Did I Studdddder!? [:o)]

StudeRich

Chris_Dresbach
02-09-2010, 10:37 PM
I love it,:D but why do they always seem to be chevy powered if they are meant to go fast[?][B)]:([}:)][xx(][V][B)][?]:(

Chris Dresbach
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bams50
02-10-2010, 04:41 AM
You're right Rich, you beat me to that one!:D

Chris: You ask "why do they always seem to be chevy powered if they are meant to go fast?" The reason is, dollar for dollar nothing can compete with a Chevy engine- nothing. Any engine can "go fast" with enough work and money, but Chevy is king for combinations and parts availability. The Small Block Chevy was revolutionary from day one and will always be king.

As much as we love Studes (and I do!) they are woefully primitive comparatively- very heavy for the small cubic inches, fatally flawed heads from a racing perspective, etc. Those of us that race Studes do so because of the love for them and the desire to run something different- NOT because it makes any sense from a cost/power standpoint. Consider this: Studebaker's most powerful "factory" engine ever, the R2, was rated at 289 HP. You can buy a garden variety 69-70 Chevy Biscayne- notorious little old lady car- with a stock 350 that makes 300 HP[:I] You can add a hotter cam (hundreds available) and toss the Quadra-Jet carb for a Holley and push it close to 350 HP that simple; and if one wants to go farther there are tons of heads/pistons/rods/cranks etc. available- the sky's the limit! And that's before we even get to the Big Blocks...

Who knows what Studebaker would have developed had they not halted development in 1964- maybe something revolutionary- or not. Would have been awfully tough to outdo Chevy, since no one- even Ford and MoPar- has ever been able to, dollar for dollar. But the fact is, Studebaker production engines are forever frozen in the 50s- remember, the R2 is just a multiply-reworked 232.

Love 'em, restore 'em, and race 'em for what they are; but the reality is, if you want to make mountains of serious power for relatively small cost, you gotta go Chevy;)

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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GOD BLESS AMERICA

Flashback
02-10-2010, 11:42 AM
Bob, This is kinda like telling a man that
the love of his life is fat and ugly. It's NOT
very well received.:(;)

Tex E. Grier
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bams50
02-10-2010, 01:25 PM
quote:Originally posted by Flashback

Bob, This is kinda like telling a man that
the love of his life is fat and ugly. It's NOT
very well received.:(;)



Maybe, but as with your example, it is what it is[:I];)

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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GOD BLESS AMERICA

Dick Steinkamp
02-10-2010, 01:39 PM
quote:Originally posted by Flashback

Bob, This is kinda like telling a man that
the love of his life is fat and ugly. It's NOT
very well received.:(;)



...hard to argue with Bob's post, however.

Stude engines (ALL of them) are pretty neat. Well engineered, dependable, strong. I like them a lot. I also like Ford flat head V8's, nail head Buicks, Rocket Oldsmobiles, aluminum Olds/Buick V8's, etc. But if I want to go fast...a Chevy is the choice.

We love our Studes (and their engines), but if they were as good as WE think they are, they would still be in business. ;)

Here's a small block Chevy (old skool style...they type that was built from '55 until 2000 or so) making a 5 second quarter mile pass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbfQh3RwC7I





Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA
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barnlark
02-10-2010, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by bams50
Those of us that race Studes do so because of the love for them and the desire to run something different- NOT because it makes any sense from a cost/power standpoint.

I must have been asleep way too long. What Stude are you racing, wildman? [:o)] Let's see some pics!

bams50
02-10-2010, 04:03 PM
Hey, I said those of us, not me!

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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GOD BLESS AMERICA

StudeRich
02-10-2010, 04:09 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

[i]I must have been asleep way too long. What Stude are you racing, wildman? [:o)] Let's see some pics!

Good slam Dave (barnlark)! I love it! [^] since we all know you're fun-in! :D

StudeRich

clonelark
02-10-2010, 04:21 PM
In the Muscle car days of (1966-67) Jere Stahl ran a 66 Plymouth 426 Hemi in A/S. Bill Jenkins ran a 327- 66 Chevy II, Both cars ran high 11s. Jere Stahl edged out Bill Jenkins for the 67 World Finals in Tulsa.
Even in the stock classes Chevrolets were king.
They tried Pure Stock for a couple of years but i guess there was too much cheating going on.

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junior
02-10-2010, 04:34 PM
Yup, sometimes the truth hurts, but it's still the truth. Hard to argue with a SBC, and now the LS series is set to take the throne as it's that much more powerful and well built from the factory. Check out the numbers on the ZL1 Vette engine! Wow, and this is still with 'archaic' ohv technology! Regardless, alternative engines such as Studes are always fun and just a little bit different, then there is also the added hero value of taking an odd-ball combo or lesser known engine and making it turn the numbers that common engines such as SBC can. Last night I was flipping through an old HOT ROD mag from the late 70's and came across a photo of a 41 Champion with a Pontiac OHC six in it. How cool, imagine how 'out there' that would have been in back in 1978...be a riot to tool around in especially if it had a stick in it. Junior

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54 Champ C5 Hamilton car. In my family since 1958.

Nelsen Motorsports
02-10-2010, 05:27 PM
Sorry, even though chevys are cheap a bb mopar isn't so expensive. I will never try to build a car with a chevy, but I am really into the oddball stuff any way like Packard 352s, nailheads, 289 Studes, and even Amcs; I respect the man with enough imagination to build something that didn't come from a cookie cutter.

http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss29/NelsenRacing/n1558086144_30050401_419-1.jpg
Alex Nelsen, 15 year old Studebaker nut.
1954 Champion Coupe
Lizella, GA

Nelsen Motorsports
02-10-2010, 05:28 PM
Sorry, even though chevys are cheap a bb mopar isn't so expensive. I will never try to build a car with a chevy, but I am really into the oddball stuff any way like Packard 352s, nailheads, 289 Studes, and even Amcs; I respect the man with enough imagination to build something that didn't come from a cookie cutter.

http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss29/NelsenRacing/n1558086144_30050401_419-1.jpg
Alex Nelsen, 15 year old Studebaker nut.
1954 Champion Coupe
Lizella, GA

barnlark
02-10-2010, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by bams50

Hey, I said those of us, not me!

Ohhhh... I thought that would be "those who race" not "those of us who race!" You, being one of us most days, I figured you were back on the track. [:o)][:o)] I thought maybe you got busy in that Lark hoarding garage this winter, ran a track in Florida with the fam on vacation and I missed it. :D:D I'm relieved... can you imagine how long a Bams post-race interview might go when you win??? Whew! [:0]:D

Dick Steinkamp
02-10-2010, 05:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark
can you imagine how long a Bams post-race interview might go when you win??? Whew! [:0]:D


Look out John Force! [:o)]

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA
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Flashback
02-10-2010, 06:00 PM
Alex Nelsen, Young man I think there is hope for you[^][^]
Welcome to my, NON "cookie cutter" world. Do you also like
the saying: "If it was easy anybody could do it"[?] If you
want it to be easy and cheap, join the bowtie bunch.;)

Tex E. Grier
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bams50
02-10-2010, 06:32 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


quote:Originally posted by barnlark
can you imagine how long a Bams post-race interview might go when you win??? Whew! [:0]:D


Look out John Force! [:o)]


YOU BET. I have done some...er...doozies in my time. Luckily, no video[:I]

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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GOD BLESS AMERICA

PlainBrownR2
02-10-2010, 06:57 PM
quote:
Sorry, even though chevys are cheap a bb mopar isn't so expensive. I will never try to build a car with a chevy, but I am really into the oddball stuff any way like Packard 352s, nailheads, 289 Studes, and even Amcs; I respect the man with enough imagination to build something that didn't come from a cookie cutter.


I had a conversation similiar to this last night on another forum on the Vette, which also carries weight here. I'd like something with the LT4, just to say I have an LT4, or a GM 302. Between these two engines I never hear about these anymore, so it'd be interesting to see some of these engines pop up a little more often than the standby LS1 or LS6. I also love the 409, the 1UZFE, and 1GZFE, but those last two will most likely take a little more thinkin to use em in this application :D.

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jrlemke
02-10-2010, 07:53 PM
I had a few SBC's in my life, I got rid of them in a short time. My 52 Chev has a Nail Head Buick in it. I had a 55 Chev 4 dr. with a Hi-po 409. Had a 65 Chev S.S. conv with a 340 h.p. 409. Had a 64 Riv. with A dual-quad 425. Had a 60 Olds with a J-2. The only SBC I ever used in a swap was a 283 in a V.W. Now I got a Hawk with a 289 that I think I'll keep for a while. JRL