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    I just thought that I would share my results of my engine transplant in Mabel. Here's the short story. Hope it helps.

    170 VS 185
    The difference between the two engines on the freeways is like night and day. When I get on the on ramp with overdrive it just powers onup to 55 then I back off to shift into high it just keeps on going. I level off about 65. It has plenty of power to pass cars it will run 70 to 75 no problem. Hills don't bother it too much as with all older cars you have to actually drive them instead of a computer doing all the work for you. I drive my 49 on the freeways all the time with no problem. The only problem that I was having was stopping power. David put lark Brakes on her so now that isn't a problem either.
    At least a 185 should go right in your 54 David had to cut apart two oil pans to swap stuff around to fit in Mabel. The manifold Carburetor all interchange.
    Mabel is no longer a Gutless wonder. She is no longer a sitting duck. At least that what I felt like driving her on the freeways, with the 170. With the 185 I can drive her in the hills , I can maintain my speed in overdrive. Where with the 170 I had my foot on the floor in passing gear barely able to keep up.
    Mabel is a 1949 Champion

    Mabel 1949 Champion
    Hawk 1957 Silverhawk
    Gus 1958 Transtar
    The Prez 1955 President State
    Blu 1957 Golden Hawk
    Daisy 1954 Regal Commander Starlight Coupe
    Fresno,Ca
    Mabel 1949 Champion
    Hawk 1957 Silverhawk
    Gus 1958 Transtar
    The Prez 1955 President State
    Blu 1957 Golden Hawk
    Daisy 1954 Regal Commander Starlight Coupe
    Fresno,Ca

  • #2
    Sweet! Thanks for telling us! Now I got more ammo against my dad to build a 185 OHV for our '62,LOL!

    Dylan Wills
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    '61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon
    Dylan Wills
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    • #3
      Wow, just think what you could do with a '61-'64 OHV 170 with 11 more HP in that thing! []

      Do you still have the 4.56 rear axle ratio?

      StudeRich
      StudeRich
      Second Generation Stude Driver,
      Proud '54 Starliner Owner
      SDC Member Since 1967

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      • #4
        I think I do. We put a rear axle assembly out of a 1950 Champion in it. So I'm not sure have the 5 lug wheels now so all of our spares fit each others cars. Mine have the old style clips for my hub caps though.

        Mabel 1949 Champion
        Hawk 1957 Silverhawk
        Gus 1958 Transtar
        The Prez 1955 President State
        Blu 1957 Golden Hawk
        Daisy 1954 Regal Commander Starlight Coupe
        Fresno,Ca
        Mabel 1949 Champion
        Hawk 1957 Silverhawk
        Gus 1958 Transtar
        The Prez 1955 President State
        Blu 1957 Golden Hawk
        Daisy 1954 Regal Commander Starlight Coupe
        Fresno,Ca

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        • #5
          I'm not sure that this is clear to me. Did you switch out a 170 with a 185 or vice-versa? Why did David have to fabricate an oil pan? Was it clearance issues?


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          • #6
            quote:Originally posted by silverhawk

            Sweet! Thanks for telling us! Now I got more ammo against my dad to build a 185 OHV for our '62,LOL!

            Dylan Wills
            How do you plan on doing this? If you are planning on putting the rotating assembly from a 185 into a 1961-1964 OHV 170, I believe that you have to clearance the block for the additional stroke/throw.

            Gary L.
            Wappinger, NY

            SDC member since 1968
            Studebaker enthusiast much longer
            Gary L.
            Wappinger, NY

            SDC member since 1968
            Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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            • #7
              Took out a 170 put in a 185 the oil pans didn't interchange due to one being a forward sump and one being a rear sump.The older ones like Mabel have what we call Buggy Springs on the front end. So thats what we had to do. After they changed front ends to coil springs the swap between the two engines is easy.

              Mabel 1949 Champion
              Hawk 1957 Silverhawk
              Gus 1958 Transtar
              The Prez 1955 President State
              Blu 1957 Golden Hawk
              Daisy 1954 Regal Commander Starlight Coupe
              Fresno,Ca
              Mabel 1949 Champion
              Hawk 1957 Silverhawk
              Gus 1958 Transtar
              The Prez 1955 President State
              Blu 1957 Golden Hawk
              Daisy 1954 Regal Commander Starlight Coupe
              Fresno,Ca

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              • #8
                Anyone looking for a 185 , I have one sitting in my garage. It came out of running rust bucket '56 Hawk.



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                • #9
                  I always wondered what it would be like to do what Gary says and have a good machine shop machine a 185 block to run a OHV head, that would make a very good combination! []

                  Isn't someone TRYING to do that for a Bonneville racer or something?
                  As far as I know a 185 OHV has never been actually run. [:0]

                  But then the sad part is, after thousands of $ spent, a good running junkyard AMC 232 OHV Six would probably walk all over you!

                  StudeRich
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                  Second Generation Stude Driver,
                  Proud '54 Starliner Owner
                  SDC Member Since 1967

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                  • #10
                    Maybe that will convince me to finally make time to put my 185 OHV into the truck! I'm tired of bogging down on teh hills in overdrive.



                    quote:Originally posted by silverhawk

                    Sweet! Thanks for telling us! Now I got more ammo against my dad to build a 185 OHV for our '62,LOL!

                    Dylan Wills
                    [IMG][/IMG]
                    '61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon
                    Ron Dame
                    '63 Champ
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                    • #11
                      True, but it's just a small amount at the bottom of the bore. A die grinder and 20 minutes will make it work. Anyone trying this should be sure to use teh right pistons with teh 185 crank... Pre 58 Champion pistons..not later ones.

                      quote:Originally posted by studegary

                      quote:Originally posted by silverhawk

                      Sweet! Thanks for telling us! Now I got more ammo against my dad to build a 185 OHV for our '62,LOL!

                      Dylan Wills
                      How do you plan on doing this? If you are planning on putting the rotating assembly from a 185 into a 1961-1964 OHV 170, I believe that you have to clearance the block for the additional stroke/throw.

                      Gary L.
                      Wappinger, NY

                      SDC member since 1968
                      Studebaker enthusiast much longer
                      Ron Dame
                      '63 Champ
                      Ron Dame
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                      • #12
                        quote:Originally posted by StudeRich
                        But then the sad part is, after thousands of $ spent, a good running junkyard AMC 232 OHV Six would probably walk all over you!
                        StudeRich
                        I second that Rich ... That AMC 232 OHV six or better yet the updated version of that engine with fuel injection AKA Jeep 4.0L is pretty much a bullet proof engine. I had a 4X4 Jeep Cherokee with that engine and it was running son of a gun!

                        John


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                        • #13
                          Ron,

                          I've got a an OHV six block (I've only had it for 15+ years), a die grinder and time. Where do I clearence the block for the 185 crank. I may get my version of this engine done before my daughter finishes high school, she's four now Oops, she just got the flu, back burner time again

                          Jeff T.

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                          • #14
                            Speaking of the 185 I could use a crankshaft if anyone has one.

                            Joe
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                            • #15
                              quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

                              I always wondered what it would be like to do what Gary says and have a good machine shop machine a 185 block to run a OHV head, that would make a very good combination! []


                              StudeRich
                              Thanks, Rich, but I was referring to doing it the opposite way. Put the 185 crank, pistons, etc. into an OHV engine. That will require some clearance work on the lower end of the block.

                              Gary L.
                              Wappinger, NY

                              SDC member since 1968
                              Studebaker enthusiast much longer
                              Gary L.
                              Wappinger, NY

                              SDC member since 1968
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