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starliner62
12-29-2009, 10:49 AM
I have been reading a whole bunch of material written by DD. There is some interesting stuff in the writings but it seems that there is more of "I'll get to that later" than anything else. I have enjoyed reading it and still have more to read.. Now I can drive my Studebaker forever!!:D

Off to Atlantis!!

Jamie McLeod
Hope Mills, NC

Jonno
12-29-2009, 11:03 AM
I enjoyed recieving Dick's newsletter in the early 1990's. He was very enthusiastic! Methinks he was a little at odds with the powers that be at SDC.

starliner62
12-29-2009, 11:08 AM
I did notice that he had some issues with the SDC and I guess he more or less spearheaded the Lark/Hakw/Avanti owners clubs. It's hard for me to imagine that "politics" in a car club such as the SDC would have driven people away from it. Maybe it was diffefent in the 70's and 80's.

Jamie McLeod
Hope Mills, NC

sals54
12-29-2009, 11:40 AM
Dick Datson was a force during the 70s and 80s cuz it was in that era that most of the SDC did not like the Stude custom and hotrod crowd. Most folks in the Club felt the cars should be kept stock. It wasn't till the 90s that the custom and hotrod owners were even beginning to be welcomed by the Magazine and the SDC events. He was also the best source of ways and means to replace worn Stude parts with those of the brand X. It later morphed into high performance tech for Studes. I used much of the information available in Datsons books to create my Turbocharged flathead 6. It did have to be sorted through, though. Some of it was a bit extreme. It was primarily due to Datsons efforts that Ted Harbit moved to Turbos and away from Paxtons. Ted had more success with Turbos than he ever could have had with the Paxtons of the day. Jim Lange, Mike Sherer, Tom Covington to name a few, all had and continue to have significant performance success with Turbos due in great part to Datsons work. I for one, applaud him.

sals54
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Bill Pressler
12-29-2009, 11:45 AM
Years ago, I bought his collection of works and still have it. A lot of it seemed to be geared towards keeping a Studebaker on the road economically, so being a CASO I can't get rid of that info!

The "Atlantis" info...did he really believe there was Atlantis? I seem to remember hearing this at some point.

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1 (sold new by Cordell Motors, Moorhead, MN)
'64 Daytona Hardtop (sold new by Carl E. Filer Co., Greenville, PA)


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Transtar56
12-29-2009, 12:47 PM
"The "Atlantis" info...did he really believe there was Atlantis?"

Believe in it? He was the mayor.

Invalid User Name
12-29-2009, 01:03 PM
That has to be the funniest post I have read on here in a long time. :D


Doug
Venice, Florida
1950 Champion
9G F1
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starliner62
12-29-2009, 01:10 PM
I am not discounting what Dick wrote. With the amount of information that was written, it is easy to understand that he was held in high regard. I appreciate any performance information I can get. I remember back in the newsgroup days when Dick was leaning more towards the Atlantis and alien thing. Besides that, I will keep Dick's writings because there is alot of helpful information in it.
I also see how far we have come as a drivers club and the welcoming of the non purists. I for one like all of them. The technology has come a long way since DD's writing. I think that there is much more available now for performance Studes than when he originally wrote some of his stuff.
I won't be long before I will be bending the ears of the performance/racing guys to get some advice on building my hot rod engine.

Jamie McLeod
Hope Mills, NC

Bullet
12-29-2009, 01:13 PM
DD was a GREAT source for Studebaker swaps when parts were no longer available. Who would have ever thought that a 1950 Champ master cylinder was the same as one for a Clark fork lift truck. There is alot of excellent information in his book


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COMMANDERPINK1
12-29-2009, 01:52 PM
I also have his writings and is DD still with us and what is he up to now. At one time there I thought he was starting to lean heavier onto the AMC.

Tom

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Roscomacaw
12-29-2009, 02:53 PM
Jamie, I had to chuckle when I read where it's always "more on that later". Indeed - USUALLY followed by a repetitive berating of BrandX stuff.
Some good things came from this source, but an equal amount of ugly stuff came from the same well. Of course, there's a number of folks - in and out of SDC - that could have that said about them to a lesser degree - myself included.[^] And then there's those - who by their own accounting are pure blessings to SDC. If you don't believe them, just ask them.;)We have a few that serve as self-appointed moderators - right on these forums!:D



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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

52-fan
12-29-2009, 03:30 PM
You may have moved me to pull out my old Datson material and give it a new read. His views were extreme on some things, but as was said, in a time when SDC did not welcome modified cars he provided encouragement and advice. It was too bad when he finally moved into some kind of survivalist mode and lost the Studebaker focus.

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1952 Champion Starlight w/overdrive. Searcy, Arkansas

j.byrd
12-29-2009, 03:30 PM
I subscribed to DD's little newsletter when he was putting it out. There were some good and some not so good writings in it, and he seemed very upset a lot of the time. Did he put out a book with all his tips in it? I was thankful for some of the things he recommended, since I believe that the only reason cars were made was so I could finish them properly-Ha ! I still have the years worth of newsletters I got, never did find out if he was a real person or not. A friend that lives in the same town said he never heard of him and never got any info-this a few years later, but still made me wonder. He must have, or still is, an interesting character. I just would want to have an escape route if I offended him accidently, because he seemed so angry sometimes. I hope he's having a better life if he's around, tho', he did help out with Avanti tips. John

S2DSteve
12-29-2009, 05:34 PM
Dick published a wealth a very useful technical information, infused with tons of personal opinions and rants, and yes he seemed to be always be on the verge of some earth shattering announcement that was coming "soon". He was a blogger and conspiracy theorist long before anyone else, along the line of "UFO abductions are real but the moon landings were faked" school of thought. The internet wasn't around, so he had to publish to get the word out. If you've seen the term "evil vendor", he was the source as he was certain the hobby was ruined by evil profit obsessed parts vendors. The thing with Dick is that even technical information was a matter of faith, and if you were not a "true believer" in whatever he was promoting at the time, you were an infidel and the enemy.

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Steve Hudson
The Dalles, Oregon
1949 "GMOBaker" 1-T Dually (workhorse)
1953 Commander Convertible (show & go)
1953 Champion Starliner (custom/rod project)
1954 Champion Coupe (daily driver)
1960 Hawk (future project?)

Dick Steinkamp
12-29-2009, 06:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by S2DSteve
...and if you were not a "true believer" in whatever he was promoting at the time, you were an infidel and the enemy.




Every forum has them...don't they :)

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA
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bams50
12-29-2009, 06:47 PM
I bought a huge stack of papers off eBay last year with his writings. It's over an inch thick, typewritten, single-spaced. Try as I might to read it I cannot seem to get anywhere with it; too tiring to read. Someday I'll have to make a stronger effort to read a page or two in the afternoon before I get tired. I know little about him, but from what I'm reading he sure is an interesting character. Is he still alive?

And thanks for recognizing me as a blessing, Biggs; I'm glad to help you learn! I'm happy to help with the moderating too. I give because I love!;):D

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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GOD BLESS AMERICA

bams50
12-29-2009, 06:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


quote:Originally posted by S2DSteve
...and if you were not a "true believer" in whatever he was promoting at the time, you were an infidel and the enemy.




Every forum has them...don't they :)



Dick, don't be so hard on yourself; that's a bit of an exaggeration. We still love ya![:X]

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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GOD BLESS AMERICA

Jerry Forrester
12-29-2009, 06:56 PM
quote:Originally posted by Studedude
So it would seem.

I personally believe that anyone that doesn't want to chrome plate every nut, bolt and bracket on their car is an infidel and an idiot.[}:)]

...............................................

I am in the process of getting parts and pieces gathered up for the May 2010 South Bend Swap meet. How about you?

Jerry Forrester
Forrester's Chrome
Douglasville, Georgia
Be sure to check out my eBay store
http://stores.ebay.com/CHROME-CHROME-CHROME
for your shiny Stude stuff.
http://inlinethumb09.webshots.com/43464/2593573560051977924S200x200Q85.jpghttp://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/43300/2772418570051977924S200x200Q85.jpg
More pix of Leo the '55 Pres HT here...http://tinyurl.com/2gj6cu

sals54
12-29-2009, 07:00 PM
Much of Datson's material is repetitive. He would at times, republish stories or tips when the space was not filled with enough new information. The parts of the newsletter and the books that supplied the BEST info was the letters to the editor. Thats where Tom Covington, Ted Harbit and Mike Sherer and others would write in with the trial and error stories of what was or was not working. Gleaning tips from those letters was invaluable to me for many years. Much easier to come by info now. Much of the stuff Dick published is now available on the tech page here on the SDC and the Avanti group. I know he was very outspoken on many topics, especially the SDC. I do not share his criticisms, but still appreciate and remember fondly the connection he made and the help he gave to so many of us who drove our modified Studes as daily drivers.

sals54
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sals54
12-29-2009, 07:02 PM
As far as the Atlantis stuff goes... don't be too quick to criticize. Have any of you watched History Channel lately??? There is a lot of evidence emerging lately about the real existence of Atlantis. Look it up for yourselves.. Wierd, but it is being taken much more seriously now days.

sals54
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Dick Steinkamp
12-29-2009, 07:57 PM
quote:Originally posted by Jerry Forrester


I personally believe that anyone that doesn't want to chrome plate every nut, bolt and bracket on their car is an infidel and an idiot.[}:)]




Jerry's kind of car...

http://www.bmwquebec.com/pics/chrome/chrome5.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA
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Roscomacaw
12-29-2009, 08:33 PM
WHOA! Wonder what a '53 Starlight would look like with that treatment??? Of course, I'd paint the grille shells and bars!;)

Jerry, I've got the car if you'll provide the chrome work![8D]

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/30906179/aview/58_Avatar.jpg
1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Jerry Forrester
12-29-2009, 08:43 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


quote:Originally posted by Jerry Forrester


I personally believe that anyone that doesn't want to chrome plate every nut, bolt and bracket on their car is an infidel and an idiot.[}:)]




Jerry's kind of car...



Luv it. :D

...............................................

I am in the process of getting parts and pieces gathered up for the May 2010 South Bend Swap meet. How about you?

Jerry Forrester
Forrester's Chrome
Douglasville, Georgia
Be sure to check out my eBay store
http://stores.ebay.com/CHROME-CHROME-CHROME
for your shiny Stude stuff.
http://inlinethumb09.webshots.com/43464/2593573560051977924S200x200Q85.jpghttp://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/43300/2772418570051977924S200x200Q85.jpg
More pix of Leo the '55 Pres HT here...http://tinyurl.com/2gj6cu

Jerry Forrester
12-29-2009, 08:45 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

WHOA! Wonder what a '53 Starlight would look like with that treatment??? Of course, I'd paint the grille shells and bars!;)

Jerry, I've got the car if you'll provide the chrome work![8D]

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/30906179/aview/58_Avatar.jpg
1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door




Send it to me and I'll get started on it on or about the 12th. [:p]

...............................................

I am in the process of getting parts and pieces gathered up for the May 2010 South Bend Swap meet. How about you?

Jerry Forrester
Forrester's Chrome
Douglasville, Georgia
Be sure to check out my eBay store
http://stores.ebay.com/CHROME-CHROME-CHROME
for your shiny Stude stuff.
http://inlinethumb09.webshots.com/43464/2593573560051977924S200x200Q85.jpghttp://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/43300/2772418570051977924S200x200Q85.jpg
More pix of Leo the '55 Pres HT here...http://tinyurl.com/2gj6cu

52 Ragtop
12-29-2009, 08:57 PM
There is a reason that I did Studebaker brake kits, I read in DD's articles that 68-69 Mustang rotors would work with fabricating some "simple" brackets! <G>

Jim

COMMANDERPINK1
12-29-2009, 09:04 PM
Where is Dick Datson now?

Tom

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Thomas63R2
12-29-2009, 10:17 PM
ddatson@juno.com should work. His later works revolve around what he calls "Gator Superchargers" which is the re-use of turbo chargers as belt driven superchargers to take advantage of the vastly superior impeller designs vs. old school Paxton superchargers. He also has a website - which I won't mention the url because it is an infected site according to my software. I wouldn't want anyone to bring bad things into your computer by opening his website..

I have a pretty complete DD collection of newsletters and "books". If I were ever to strike it rich I would have all of DD's material reformatted into something that is actually readable.

Thomas

vmania
12-30-2009, 07:19 AM
quote:Originally posted by sals54

Dick Datson was a force during the 70s and 80s cuz it was in that era that most of the SDC did not like the Stude custom and hotrod crowd. Most folks in the Club felt the cars should be kept stock. It wasn't till the 90s that the custom and hotrod owners were even beginning to be welcomed by the Magazine and the SDC events. He was also the best source of ways and means to replace worn Stude parts with those of the brand X. It later morphed into high performance tech for Studes. I used much of the information available in Datsons books to create my Turbocharged flathead 6. It did have to be sorted through, though. Some of it was a bit extreme. It was primarily due to Datsons efforts that Ted Harbit moved to Turbos and away from Paxtons. Ted had more success with Turbos than he ever could have had with the Paxtons of the day. Jim Lange, Mike Sherer, Tom Covington to name a few, all had and continue to have significant performance success with Turbos due in great part to Datsons work. I for one, applaud him.

sals54
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm197/sals54/NewSignature.jpg


Tom Covington rebuilt my 57 GH motor.... Incredibly gifted mechanic and Driver, not to mention Person.... I believe he's got one of the fastest Avanti's in the country...9.970 @ 131mph... Didn't mean to get off topic, just wanted to give my Friend the kudo's he deserves..

clonelark
12-30-2009, 07:40 AM
Looks like Jerry chromed his back seat, --------------with Dyna-Mat.

If it wasn't for the last minute i'd never get anything done.
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Dan White
12-30-2009, 09:14 AM
You can Google Dick Datson and get some info. About a year ago there was a thread that had some discussions about Dick's material. Here is one of his web "pages" with contact info. As noted above his other site has apparently come down with numerous viruses so you can find that and enter at your on risk.

http://www.studebakerclubs.com/21stCenturyTurbo/

I actually talked to Dick back in the early 90s when he was publishing his 21st Century Turbo news letter. He is an interesting guy to say the least, very opinionated and very defensive about when he believes someone has attacked him or his ideas. Still he was one of few that put together tips in one place for all to access before the internet. I am not sure if he still does, but he used to sell his tip books on ebay from time to time.



Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT

lmulanix
12-30-2009, 06:55 PM
I also met Mr. Datson a cupla times in the early 80s.At a cupla meets he had arranged in a place called Galopolice,Oh.Pretty nice get togethers,really.I suppose he may have not been perfect.But he made a real effort to help prolong the existance of Studebakers.I think he meant to help.I put an idea or two of his into actual use.He was a pioneer of sorts,in that he would step outside the box if power or reliability would result.I see several fellows doing this now,and good for them.Frankly,I would rather thank him than not.

lschuc
01-02-2010, 03:32 PM
Dick Datson also moderated a Yahoogroups forum that gets occasional posts or topics from him or others. You have to join to post or respond at:

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Carburetedblowers/

The homepage shows a photo of Ted's Chickenhawk engine.
Lew



[quote]Originally posted by Dan White

You can Google Dick Datson and get some info. About a year ago there was a thread that had some discussions about Dick's material. Here is one of his web "pages" with contact info. As noted above his other site has apparently come down with numerous viruses so you can find that and enter at your on risk.



Lew Schucart
Editor, Avanti Magazine