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289stude
12-29-2009, 08:17 AM
I'll take 2![:p]

Does anybody know if this is how they were delivered to S.B. or was this from S.B. to ???


http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p99/289stude/AvantiBodiesReference.jpg


John

63' R1 Wagonaire

63' 8E45 Detroit

53' 2R5 R1 Powershift TT Under Construction

57' Transtar 304 NP540 4:09 TT Under Construction (in Picture)

58' 3E6D Stock

59' 4E2 122 Scotsman Deluxe V8 4spd curb side fender

61' 6E7 122 Factory Auto

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studegary
12-29-2009, 12:43 PM
I believe that the early Avanti bodies were assembled in Ohio and transported to Indiana. Shortly into production, Studebaker did their own body assembly in South Bend, IN.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

blue55
12-29-2009, 03:27 PM
I read in an old motor trend or hot rod article that the initial Avanti bodies were manufactured by the same company that built corvette bodies, which caused delivery problems for Studebaker, since the company was putting more effort out for the volume customer, and not putting as much effort into the Studebaker bodies. This was an early article, so i don't know what changed, if anything later.

they just keep following me home

289stude
12-29-2009, 04:23 PM
Gotta wonder how much pressure Chevrolet put on that manufacturer to have "production problems" doesn't seem to be a shortage on 62-63 Vettes.

John

62' Deluxe R2 4SPD.

63' R1 Wagonaire

57' Transtar 304 NP540 4:09 TT Under Construction

58' 3E6D Stock

64' (Studebaker Built) Trailer Toter

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Gunslinger
12-29-2009, 04:47 PM
This isn't to say that production of Corvette body panels didn't have priority, but all I've read is MFG made body panels for Corvettes, not complete bodies. The Corvette body required far fewer pieces than the Avanti as well. This was supposedly MFG's first experience at providing completed bodies, which was the major tie up in production. Combine that with Corvette body panel production and the resulting chaos seemed inevitable.





Poet...Mystic...Soldier of Fortune. As always...self-absorbed, adversarial, cocky and in general a malcontent.

Chris_Dresbach
12-29-2009, 11:00 PM
Picture dosent look like anything familiar from South Bend.

Chris Dresbach

Avantidon
12-30-2009, 07:57 AM
MFG is Ashtebula OH built the original Avanti bodies but the fit and finish was terrible causing many delays in delivery of the cars. As a means of solving the issues this created, production was moved to South Bend but it was too little to late even though all of the early issues were solved by the move.

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StudeMichael
12-30-2009, 09:33 AM
This is actually not the case Don:

MFG is Ashtebula OH built the original Avanti bodies but the fit and finish was terrible causing many delays in delivery of the cars. As a means of solving the issues this created, production was moved to South Bend but it was too little to late even though all of the early issues were solved by the move.

Studebaker had a contract with MFG to make the panels only. They were putting the bodies together initially for Studebaker but not contractually. They also won the business for the Corvette Stingray bodies. When things got going they could not handle the volume and told Studebaker they would continue to make the panels but would no longer assemble the body. So in July of 1963 only 30 Avanti were built because Studebaker had to figure out how to put Avanti bodies together in South Bend. The rest is history. As the Avanti production area was idle orders for the car were going unfullfilled and eventually into the garbage.


http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s300/Michaelkfl/production.jpg

clonelark
12-30-2009, 10:25 AM
This could have been Ohio, Does South Bend have white street signs?, also a lot of things have changed since the 60s.

If it wasn't for the last minute i'd never get anything done.
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okc63avanti
12-30-2009, 11:07 AM
What serial number did the body assembly start in South Bend vs. Ohio?

<div align="left">John</div id="left">

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StudeMichael
12-30-2009, 11:48 AM
You can loosely determine that by the chart I posted above John.

Bill Pressler
12-30-2009, 11:50 AM
quote:Originally posted by StudeMichael

This is actually not the case Don:

MFG is Ashtebula OH built the original Avanti bodies but the fit and finish was terrible causing many delays in delivery of the cars. As a means of solving the issues this created, production was moved to South Bend but it was too little to late even though all of the early issues were solved by the move.

Studebaker had a contract with MFG to make the panels only. They were putting the bodies together initially for Studebaker but not contractually. They also won the business for the Corvette Stingray bodies. When things got going they could not handle the volume and told Studebaker they would continue to make the panels but would no longer assemble the body. So in July of 1963 only 30 Avanti were built because Studebaker had to figure out how to put Avanti bodies together in South Bend. The rest is history. As the Avanti production area was idle orders for the car were going unfullfilled and eventually into the garbage.


http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s300/Michaelkfl/production.jpg



Michael, the last Studebaker Avanti serial no. is 5643. I'm confused about the numbers after that shown for Dec. '63.

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1 (sold new by Cordell Motors, Moorhead, MN)
'64 Daytona Hardtop (sold new by Carl E. Filer Co., Greenville, PA)


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WCP
12-30-2009, 12:28 PM
As I recall from a presentation by one of the plant engineers (I can't recall his name) at a national meet many years ago, MFG assembled the initial bodies without jigs and nothing fit. Studebaker personnel had to go to Ohio and show MFG how to use jigs in the assembly. I believe he stated that continuing problems with fit resulted in production assembly eventually being moved to South Bend. I'm suspicious that my Avanti R1236 body 404 was built on an Ohio body, due to the fit of many panels and really poor quality floor pan, most of which have now been corrected.

Gunslinger
12-30-2009, 12:35 PM
quote:Originally posted by Bill Pressler


quote:Originally posted by StudeMichael

This is actually not the case Don:

MFG is Ashtebula OH built the original Avanti bodies but the fit and finish was terrible causing many delays in delivery of the cars. As a means of solving the issues this created, production was moved to South Bend but it was too little to late even though all of the early issues were solved by the move.

Studebaker had a contract with MFG to make the panels only. They were putting the bodies together initially for Studebaker but not contractually. They also won the business for the Corvette Stingray bodies. When things got going they could not handle the volume and told Studebaker they would continue to make the panels but would no longer assemble the body. So in July of 1963 only 30 Avanti were built because Studebaker had to figure out how to put Avanti bodies together in South Bend. The rest is history. As the Avanti production area was idle orders for the car were going unfullfilled and eventually into the garbage.


http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s300/Michaelkfl/production.jpg



Michael, the last Studebaker Avanti serial no. is 5643. I'm confused about the numbers after that shown for Dec. '63.

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1 (sold new by Cordell Motors, Moorhead, MN)
'64 Daytona Hardtop (sold new by Carl E. Filer Co., Greenville, PA)


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I believe the discrepancy is due to several Avanti prototypes being serial numbered outside the normal range.




Poet...Mystic...Soldier of Fortune. As always...self-absorbed, adversarial, cocky and in general a malcontent.

r1lark
12-30-2009, 01:26 PM
quote:Orriginally posted by WCP

As I recall from a presentation by one of the plant engineers (I can't recall his name) at a national meet many years ago, MFG assembled the initial bodies without jigs and nothing fit. Studebaker personnel had to go to Ohio and show MFG how to use jigs in the assembly. I believe he stated that continuing problems with fit resulted in production assembly eventually being moved to South Bend. I'm suspicious that my Avanti R1236 body 404 was built on an Ohio body, due to the fit of many panels and really poor quality floor pan, most of which have now been corrected.

Was his name Otis Romine?

Paul
Winston-Salem, NC
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Avantidon
12-30-2009, 02:48 PM
It may have been either Gene Hardig or ET Reynolds.

Retired
12-30-2009, 06:34 PM
It was Otis Romine...............He also aranged for the production of the Dodge pick up truck body to be done by Studebaker.

Richard

Retired
12-30-2009, 06:36 PM
CORRECTION: Dodge pick up [u]box</u>.

Richard

Laemmle
12-30-2009, 11:10 PM
His name was Otis Romaine.

Also Gene Hardigs son was involved on the Studebaker side.



quote:Originally posted by WCP

As I recall from a presentation by one of the plant engineers (I can't recall his name) at a national meet many years ago, MFG assembled the initial bodies without jigs and nothing fit. Studebaker personnel had to go to Ohio and show MFG how to use jigs in the assembly. I believe he stated that continuing problems with fit resulted in production assembly eventually being moved to South Bend. I'm suspicious that my Avanti R1236 body 404 was built on an Ohio body, due to the fit of many panels and really poor quality floor pan, most of which have now been corrected.

Laemmle
12-30-2009, 11:15 PM
For the true story on MFG and the Avanti.......contact MFG in Ashtabula and ask if there are any more copies of Robert Morrisons book on manufacturing for entrepreneurs.

He was the Pres & CEO of MFG........I do not have my copy in front of me but his candor concerning the Avanti will correct many of the myths concerning the car.

StudeMichael
12-31-2009, 09:16 AM
I was going on what Otis Romine told us the 30th Anniversary meet in South Bend in 1993. Of course you can ask three different people that were in the same place when something happened and get three different stories but considered Otis the best source. He told us the roughest part was training Studebaker guys to work with fiberglass when they had never done so in their history.

WCP
12-31-2009, 09:34 AM
Yes! Otis Romine was the name (I'm not good at remembering names). Also regarding the #404 body, I assume that they weren't sequenced into production in the order that they were rec'd from Ohio or assembled in South Bend. Because of its condition I suspect it was set aside for "adjustment" prior to being put on a chassis. The number 404 was hand written with marker on the inside right rear quarter panel and no body color notation. An earlier Avanti that I restored had the body number 2871 marked on the panel above the fuel tank location with the body color gray noted below. I would guess that those notations were made at the time of body selection for production sequencing into the paint shop.

r1lark
12-31-2009, 09:47 AM
Otis' name was spelled 'Romine', not Romaine.

BTW, here is a link to his Sept 2001 obituary: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~instjose/obits/r/romineotiss.htm

Paul
Winston-Salem, NC
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