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mvrk70
12-11-2009, 02:03 PM
In the late 80's or early 90's there was an article in Hot Rod magazine titled A Gentlemans Chop where they chopped the top on a 53 or 54? does anyone know the month and year of this article?
Thanks

DEEPNHOCK
12-11-2009, 02:18 PM
Popular Hot Rodding....Written by Dick Dean
When I get home I'll drag the issue out.
Jeff[8D]
PS: Check these post's out:
http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16353
and
http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=34603



quote:Originally posted by mvrk70

In the late 80's or early 90's there was an article in Hot Rod magazine titled A Gentlemans Chop where they chopped the top on a 53 or 54? does anyone know the month and year of this article?
Thanks

kurtruk
12-11-2009, 03:34 PM
I do not have the issue, but I thought when I read it on the newsstand;)it was in Custom Rodder.

KURTRUK
(read it backwards)


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3267/2617723594_889afb71cf_t.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2184/2267352611_96939dc723_m.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3286/2679715309_9655c80e5e_m.jpg

Nothing is politically right which is morally wrong. -A. Lincoln

DEEPNHOCK
12-11-2009, 03:41 PM
There too, but the Popular Hot Rodding article was from the early seventies....
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by kurtruk

I do not have the issue, but I thought when I read it on the newsstand;)it was in Custom Rodder.

blue55
12-11-2009, 05:36 PM
the one in the 90's was in custom rodder. 91 i think, but not sure

they just keep following me home

Pat Dilling
12-11-2009, 07:19 PM
The first link in Jeff's post is our car. The original builder followed Dick Dean's article when he chopped it. Big difference was his article was about a hard top and the builder of mine adapted it to the coupe.

Jeff, if you have that article I would really like to have a copy of it to put in the car's heritage file. If you can scan and send it to p.dilling@comcast.net that would be wonderful!

Pat


quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

Popular Hot Rodding....Written by Dick Dean
When I get home I'll drag the issue out.
Jeff[8D]
PS: Check these post's out:
http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16353
and
http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=34603



quote:Originally posted by mvrk70

In the late 80's or early 90's there was an article in Hot Rod magazine titled A Gentlemans Chop where they chopped the top on a 53 or 54? does anyone know the month and year of this article?
Thanks



Pat Dilling
Olivehurst, CA
Custom '53 Starlight aka Stu Cool
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/stucool53/StuCoolsmallerSigpic.jpg
LS1 Engine Swap Journal: http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/journal.php?action=view&journalid=33611

candbstudebakers
12-11-2009, 08:11 PM
This one was chopped in the 90's about 93 and finished in time for the national in Long Beach in 95 I think that was the year of the national there.Owners name was Fred Nelson in Castro Valley , Ca. he paid a fellow in Modesto, Ca. to do the rough work and he finished the rest himself and did a super job.....Bob

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/1953%20custom/IM001174.jpg

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/1953%20custom/IM001173.jpg

Bob Peterson / C & B Studebakers

Castro Valley, CA
canbstudebakers-
http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/CedarRapids210.jpg

Milaca
12-11-2009, 08:24 PM
I like Fred's car. A very tasteful custom. I notice it has GT Hawk headlight rims...thats unique.

So
They
Used
Delco
Electronics
Before
Autolite
Kept
Engines
Running?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3939471781_afa477b3ae_t.jpg
Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.

DEEPNHOCK
12-11-2009, 09:03 PM
Rene Harger had one sorta like this at Asheville a few years ago..
I have some pic's and was impressed (intimidated) by the amount of work needed around the vent window area...
Rene had GT Hawk headlight rims on his, too...
I'll look for the pic's in my file when I get home...
(Cold in Charlotte Fri/Sat)
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by candbstudebakers

This one was chopped in the 90's about 93 and finished in time for the national in Long Beach in 95 I think that was the year of the national there.Owners name was Fred Nelson in Castro Valley , Ca. he paid a fellow in Modesto, Ca. to do the rough work and he finished the rest himself and did a super job.....Bob
<snip>

candbstudebakers
12-12-2009, 12:33 AM
Ya the 63-64 GT head light rings sure do make a nice touch, this car is all Studebaker 63 GT interior, 4 speed, supercharged with R-3 air box and R-3 headers, 373 TT, rear sway bar and traction bars, nice car to bad Fred passed away at the age of 48 about 10 years ago...Bob

Bob Peterson / C & B Studebakers

Castro Valley, CA
canbstudebakers-
http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/CedarRapids210.jpg

bams50
12-12-2009, 05:38 AM
Bob, that's about as perfect (to my eye) a custom C/K as I've EVER seen. Anyone have any more pictures?? And what are those gorgeous wheels?? Any more info on this car would be great- it really wowed me[:p]

The owner died at 48?? Dang, that's how old I am currently. At least he got to build and enjoy his dream car before he paased!

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.patrioticon.org/images/flag1-1.gif
GOD BLESS AMERICA

candbstudebakers
12-12-2009, 11:27 AM
Yes Fred did get to drive and enjoy this car, he got it when he was 14 years old, it was a 6 cly. Fred grew up in his dads body shop and at the time it was part of Ben Begier's Studebaker of San Leandro and did all the Studebaker repair work, since Berier's was a small dealership they did not have a lot of storage room so at the end of the year a lot of things got put in the trash and Fred would pull some out and take home thinking he would need it later or someone else might need it. in his lifetime Fred rebuilt and restored his coupe 3 times as he had a heavy foot and did drink to much some times, each time he fixed it he would change something on it, when he passed away the car was down and had a damaged front end with a bent frame his dad who had long since retired but still owned the shop building took it to the shop for one last Nelson repair I supplied the frame and it was put back together and repainted the same color at this time Freds Son Taylor was given the car , Taylor kept the car for a number of years and when he got in a bind and lost his house to County wide like so many other did. he did put the car on E-bay once but didn't make reserve and that is when he called me and asked if I was interested in the Blue coupe I said in a heart beat yes I would be proud to own your dads car and then my grandson Clayton fell in love with at first sight and now it will be his down the road, we do try and drive it now and then when he is here, I have known this car since 1968 when the club started, long live the chopped top little blue coupe...Bob

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/1953%20custom/IM001177.jpg

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/1953%20custom/IM001176.jpg

Bob Peterson / C & B Studebakers

Castro Valley, CA
canbstudebakers-
http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/CedarRapids210.jpg

Milaca
12-12-2009, 11:38 AM
Sorry to hear of the loss of your friend but at least his car is in the hands of someone that appreciates it. After seeing the interior, I like it even more now! The supercharger is icing on the cake.

So
They
Used
Delco
Electronics
Before
Autolite
Kept
Engines
Running?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3939471781_afa477b3ae_t.jpg
Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.

ddub
12-12-2009, 11:47 AM
Surely one of the best looking Studes ever.

Don Wilson
53 Commander Hardtop
64 Champ 1/2 ton
Centralia, WA

S2DSteve
12-13-2009, 02:47 AM
I used the article in "Custom Rodder" when chopping this car in 1992. I also talked to Dick Dean for some pointers. I do have the magazine. Email me if you'd like a copy.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u57/S2DSteve/PhotoDocsI004-1.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u57/S2DSteve/Family12-1-2.jpg
Steve Hudson
The Dalles, Oregon
1949 "GMOBaker" 1-T Dually (workhorse)
1953 Commander Convertible (show & go)
1953 Champion Starliner (custom/rod project)
1954 Champion Coupe (daily driver)
1960 Hawk (future project?)

bams50
12-13-2009, 05:49 AM
Thanks for the added info, Bob! Quite a story- both sad and happy elements.

It's SO easy to do a chop that seems to be going well, only to find it looks wrong when it's finished. This is one of the few that came out juuust right![8D] And I love any Stude with wider rear tires[:p] Love the wheels too- what brand are they??

Almost makes me want a C/K ;)


quote:Originally posted by candbstudebakers

long live the chopped top little blue coupe...
Funny Bob, that's EXACTLY what I think about you![^]

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.patrioticon.org/images/flag1-1.gif
GOD BLESS AMERICA

jimmijim8
12-13-2009, 07:16 AM
Bob, that car is just so right. jimmijim

Stude Junkie+++++++Do it right the f$$$$ Time. Never mind. Just do it right. When youre done your done. You'll know it.

candbstudebakers
12-13-2009, 12:05 PM
Bob not sure what brand the wheels are but they were put on the car in 95 when done, at a cost of $500.00 each then but now since there is so many new wheels out there they are most likely cheaper, the fronts are real wide and hard to steer so am going to get a pair about 5" wide, might get 2 pair and then use these also on something else..Bob

Bob Peterson / C & B Studebakers

Castro Valley, CA
canbstudebakers-
http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/CedarRapids210.jpg

woodysrods
12-13-2009, 12:56 PM
The artical I have haging on my shop was for the past 10 years or so is on page 69 of Rodders Digest. Car belongs to Steve Hudson. Pictures by Nayland Wilkins.
Brian

Brian Woods
woodysrods@shaw.ca
1946 M Series (Shop Truck)
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae283/woodysrods/Concunully004.jpg

TDITS
12-13-2009, 02:25 PM
WOW! I just felt a shiver go down my spine. Awesome car. I have a black 53 hard top waiting on me to do something with it. But I doubt it will ever look that good.


quote:Originally posted by S2DSteve

I used the article in "Custom Rodder" when chopping this car in 1992. I also talked to Dick Dean for some pointers. I do have the magazine. Email me if you'd like a copy.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u57/S2DSteve/PhotoDocsI004-1.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u57/S2DSteve/Family12-1-2.jpg
Steve Hudson
The Dalles, Oregon
1949 "GMOBaker" 1-T Dually (workhorse)
1953 Commander Convertible (show & go)
1953 Champion Starliner (custom/rod project)
1954 Champion Coupe (daily driver)
1960 Hawk (future project?)

woodysrods
12-13-2009, 05:53 PM
Hi Steve. I would love it if you could share that artical or pictures with me. I always had plans of chopping my 56 Hawk(coupe













Hi Steve. I would love it if you could share that article with me, or even just the pictures. As I had always planned to build a chopped C/K. But since I started on my 56 Hawk coupe I thought I would pass on that due to laziness & time. But the pictures of Fred's (Bob's) chopped coupe have got me thinking again. "It is PERFECT!!"
I want to have the car finished for the may long weekend, so I need to decide soon!!
Brian
PS I have chopped a lot of tops, but never a Stude or one of my own.
Brian











Brian Woods
woodysrods@shaw.ca
1946 M Series (Shop Truck)
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae283/woodysrods/Concunully004.jpg

woodysrods
12-13-2009, 06:05 PM
HI Bob.
Great Car! Now you have my attention and really have me thinking. I have been waiting for my Stude since I was 13 years old (1965). Which makes me the same age as Fred would have been. I have the car now (56 Power Hawk) and am already into the rebuild, but I was seriously thinking of compromising my dream build by not chopping the top, until you posted those pictures.
Do you have or can you get pictures of the process on the cars chop?


Brian Woods
woodysrods@shaw.ca
1946 M Series (Shop Truck)
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae283/woodysrods/Concunully004.jpg

candbstudebakers
12-13-2009, 10:58 PM
Sorry Brian I have no pictures but will ask Taylor if by some chance he has some his dad took, this is one really nice car, it scored in the 390's at the last Long Beach national the last big meet Fred went to ....Bob

Bob Peterson / C & B Studebakers

Castro Valley, CA
canbstudebakers-
http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/CedarRapids210.jpg

woodysrods
12-14-2009, 10:14 AM
Just curious as to whether or not it was cut below the windsheild to avoid that optical illusion of that panel growing when you chop the top. I also want to know about the B pillar cut???? Overall front chop on a Gentlemens chop.... my understanding is that it 1 3/4 ".
Is this correct? What is the side window opening measurment at the front on Fred's coupe. And is the windshield full size and dropped, laid back, or cut??
Brian

Brian Woods
woodysrods@shaw.ca
1946 M Series (Shop Truck)
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae283/woodysrods/Concunully004.jpg

S2DSteve
12-14-2009, 10:30 AM
When I did mine I took about 1 1/2" out of the ws posts, then laid it back. The windshield has to be cut the same amount. All I did with the B piller is a single slice from the front to about 1/2" before the back window. It's just a relief that allows the roof to settle at the new level. Mine was a hardtop, so I didn't have to fool with the doors. You don't even have to remove the rear window, but a huge part of the project is in re-shaping the windwings, side and quarter window frames to match the new roofline. You then need new glass cut, but that's not a big deal since it's all flat.

I followed the Custom Rodder (Spring '91) article very closely, although it was a little vague in some details-which is why I called Dick Dean. I'll dig up my issue and send a copy to anyone who gets me their snailmail address.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u57/S2DSteve/Family12-1-2.jpg
Steve Hudson
The Dalles, Oregon
1949 "GMOBaker" 1-T Dually (workhorse)
1953 Commander Convertible (show & go)
1953 Champion Starliner (custom/rod project)
1954 Champion Coupe (daily driver)
1960 Hawk (future project?)

candbstudebakers
12-14-2009, 10:31 AM
Brian, Fred had always said it was dropped 2" in the front and nothing in the rear, the windshield was cut he went through 3 of them before a old man cut it with a lazer, the glass co. stopped after 3 and said no more, I can get the numbers you want when I go to the shop, rear 1/4 windows were also cut, door not need as they roll up and down, one can not tell where it was cut every thing done nice and neat...Bob

Bob Peterson / C & B Studebakers

Castro Valley, CA
canbstudebakers-
http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv271/canbstudebakers/CedarRapids210.jpg

woodysrods
12-14-2009, 02:50 PM
Thanks Bob and Steve for the info. Steve technically a Hardtop does not have a B Piller and is much easier to chop. Remeber Coupes have door tops c/w built in inner door moldings and a rear quarter window with a double frame, plus a B pillar. This is why I had originally decided "Not" to chop my car until Bob got me going with Freds onld car....It just looks perfectly proportioned to me!http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae283/woodysrods/Brians56Studebaker055.jpg This is my project car.

Brian Woods
woodysrods@shaw.ca
1946 M Series (Shop Truck)
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae283/woodysrods/Concunully004.jpg

Milaca
12-14-2009, 11:43 PM
Brian, you get your car painted up nice and put some stylish wheels on there, then you won't even need a chop to make it look good.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2671/4149448710_41d6dfe9bc_t.jpg
Lark ala mode
In the middle of Minnesota

Pat Dilling
12-14-2009, 11:50 PM
My 53 Coupe was also chopped using the same Dick Dean article as a guide. The builder told me he took 1.75 inches from the A pillar, .75 from the B and just the saw blade width at the C. He then laid the A pillars back to take up the difference in the length of the top. He said the windshield very nearly fit and he just had to carefully grind about 1/8 inch off the top of it. He also added the other custom touches of removing the drip rails and rounding the corners. Everything fits and it does not leak. The back quarter windows are now in solid.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2783/4187078440_f802e925f2.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3487/3930884738_e608c2821b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3449/3930884536_b3bd84f194.jpg



Pat Dilling
Olivehurst, CA
Custom '53 Starlight aka Stu Cool
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/stucool53/StuCoolsmallerSigpic.jpg
LS1 Engine Swap Journal: http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/journal.php?action=view&journalid=33611

woodysrods
12-15-2009, 11:02 PM
Thanks Pat those are exactly the numbers I was looking for. And, were the numbers I had heard years ago when referring to a Gentlemens Chop.It was the winshield thI wa concerned about.
Your car looks Great! I plan to keep my drip rails though.
I normally fill and flare them.
Brian

Brian Woods
woodysrods@shaw.ca
1946 M Series (Shop Truck)
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae283/woodysrods/Concunully004.jpg

woodysrods
12-15-2009, 11:35 PM
Pat. Please tell me about your front & rear suspension.

Brian Woods
woodysrods@shaw.ca
1946 M Series (Shop Truck)
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae283/woodysrods/Concunully004.jpg

woodysrods
12-16-2009, 12:28 AM
Hi agian Pat. Since I asked about your suspension I viewed your LS1 swap journel, and got my answers.
Thanks
Brian

Brian Woods
woodysrods@shaw.ca
1946 M Series (Shop Truck)
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae283/woodysrods/Concunully004.jpg

Pat Dilling
12-16-2009, 02:29 PM
Brian, My suspension is what it is at this point. It works pretty well, sits low like I want and the ride is OK except a little stiff on bumpy roads. If I was starting from scratch and wanted to modify the Stude suspension, I think I would use the bolt in conversion from Slick Steet Stuff in Tennessee for the front. That would retain the Studebaker frame and geometry, give rack&pinion steering plus disk brakes. For the back I would toss the leaf springs and put in a triangulated 4 link. With that done, I would put air suspension on all 4 corners. And for someone who wants the ultimate, Art Morrison makes a complete frame and suspension that one of our forum members has under his 53 project.

Thanks for the compliments :D
Pat

Pat Dilling
Olivehurst, CA
Custom '53 Starlight aka Stu Cool
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/stucool53/StuCoolsmallerSigpic.jpg
LS1 Engine Swap Journal: http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/journal.php?action=view&journalid=33611

woodysrods
12-17-2009, 01:38 AM
My measurement reveal only a 1/4" difference in the hieght of the side windo in my Hawk coupe (13 5/8" at tallest point near front and 13 3/8" at the rear)
What an optical illusion! Would have guessed the 1 3/4" measurement we have be tossing around would have been closer to correct.

Brian Woods
woodysrods@shaw.ca
1946 M Series (Shop Truck)
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae283/woodysrods/Concunully004.jpg