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stude62
11-24-2009, 10:05 AM
At forty-seven I have bought my first Studebaker, a four-door 1963 Lark Regal 4-dr, 6cyl for $2,500. It is literally is a little old lady car - Misty Rose and all, with the original window sticker and first purchaser information, all that included in teh sale. I had DAS move it (first mistake) and now its here and its getting some electrical work done to it. At some point in its 2,000 mile truck tour of the US, a DAS employee tried to jump the car, mixed up the polarity and fried the electric system. The car is a bit rougher to look at than the seller in Alabama led me to believe, but, what are you going to do?

According to all the paperwork that came with the car, since 1999 there has been a lot work done on the car: engine, cooling system gas tank, suspension (springs and shocks), set of Pirelli white walls; receipts for all of the parts for all of this work were included and came to $3,750. Tim the Mechanic (who is doing the electric, new battery and cooling system flush) put it up on the rack and said that the undercarriage is clean, solid and strong. He did say that the steering (not power) is a little "loosey Goosey" but the structure is sound and the parts are good.

With all of that out of the way, I guess I am still A) stunned that I have this car and B)at a loss what to do next.

The seats have to be reupholstered (the top of the of back seat vinyl has rotted way) and the front bench seems need to be reshaped (the seat back is bent as if a very large person pushed backward to get out). The dash needs recovered and the dash face (ribbed chrome) is all pitted. Outside three of four doors each have Stude Tin Worm in the exact same place. And the Steering wheel could stand to be replaced. The rubber floor covering is servicable.

I am going to have the car detailed before I store it for the winter in a secured garage. I've read up what to do; a friend told me to store the car with a bag of 8 O'Clock open in it to keep it sweet smelling and keep the stale air smell out.

My feeling is that the car should be kept as absolutly close to the original window sticker options as possible - because thats were the worth of the car rests. But the seat cover material has me concerned.

I guess what I am looking for is support that things aren't as dire as I feel they are.


If not now, when?

Michidan
11-24-2009, 10:17 AM
Welcome! Sounds like a fine old car to me.
The worth of this car is really in the joy it brings to you for having it.
The electrical problem you had is unfortunate, but it sounds like you're getting it fixed. Having a good mechanic to help you along is terrific. What do you feel like working on next?

You will find the support you need here.

37Dictator
11-24-2009, 10:24 AM
Here is my car, and I'm not even slightly concerned about its condition. Mine is easily salvageable, does that make you feel better about yours?
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2755/4072092914_fe6a8437d2.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2575/4130633869_f01593f185.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2583/4005543532_fd56fc1c6a.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3616/4088962023_be034527f9.jpg

Now I haven't seen pictures of your car, but I can guess its a bit nicer than mine at the moment.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2718/4092840671_7672fbff9b.jpg

doug
11-24-2009, 10:43 AM
If not a member of the Studebaker Drivers Club, please join. Information on parts, manuals and other members in your area would be very helpful, especially if your mechanic is not Studebaker proficient.

JDP
11-24-2009, 10:49 AM
quote:Originally posted by stude62

At forty-seven I have bought my first Studebaker, a four-door 1963 Lark Regal 4-dr, 6cyl for $2,500. It is literally is a little old lady car - Misty Rose and all, with the original window sticker and first purchaser information, all that included in teh sale. I had DAS move it (first mistake) and now its here and its getting some electrical work done to it. At some point in its 2,000 mile truck tour of the US, a DAS employee tried to jump the car, mixed up the polarity and fried the electric system.


First, file a claim with DAS for the electrical damage, that could be expensive. DAS has to have insurance for that sort of issue.

JDP/Maryland

Mark57
11-24-2009, 11:02 AM
Welcome to the Forum! :) Take heart, these things seem a bit daunting at first, but it takes a little while before the disease fully takes hold and you completely succumb to being a "StudeNut". [}:)];)

Post some pictures of your car when you have a minute.

And - what Doug said, join the SDC if you're not already a member, you can even join online: http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/joinsdc.asp

A list of Studebaker vendors (where you can buy just about anything you might need) is here:http://www.studebakervendors.com/

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island Chapter
http://visdc.shawwebspace.ca/ </h5>

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jclary
11-24-2009, 11:21 AM
Welcome to the insanity! Take heart that you at least have a later model Studebaker. Parts and information are more available. As far as what to do next...think of electrical (things that keep it from burning to the ground) structure (things that keep the car from collapsing to the ground), mechanics (things that keep it running properly on the ground), and cosmetics (things that make you proud it is sitting on the ground) and you will do just fine.:):):)

John Clary
Greer, SC
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Life... is what happens as you are making plans.
SDC member since 1975

silverhawk
11-24-2009, 11:34 AM
Welcome! Your car doesn't sound too bad honestly, I'm doing a '62 sedan, and the only original body parts on the car will be the body tub and the rear fenders. [:O] This car needs everything except mechanicals as well, so sounds like yours isn't to bad. Have fun!

Dylan Wills
http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr200/1961lark/My%201961%20studebaker%20lark/Watcomcountyminimeet09andJamesBells.jpg
'61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon

bob1944
11-24-2009, 12:16 PM
Hi stude62 welcome I'm new to SDC also but has turned out to be a great resource for parts and advice. Not to mention the local club having people at hand to help. My 1955 was rough but with some work and sweat it's coming along. Pic when I get it out of the paint shop. Never saw so may Studebakers till I joined. Enjoy

Doug M
11-24-2009, 12:26 PM
I live in the area of Alabama that your Lark Was in. I hurd about it and planed to go see it my wife said no more have 6 now 2 drivers. Good luck with your Lark. Doug M

warrlaw1
11-24-2009, 12:27 PM
Positive ground. That should be a on a sticker like "Caution Fan". You're doing everything right, and stopping by this forum was brilliant. SDC is your most valuable resource. I just received my November copy of "Turning Wheels" and it is gorgeous. You'll turn some heads when you get your car on the road. Good luck.

showbizkid
11-24-2009, 12:37 PM
Hey Stu, welcome to the Forum and to Stude ownership. No, don't get depressed - just take one thing at a time.

On my '63 I've:
- Rebuilt the engine
- Rebuilt the transmission
- Rebuilt the front suspension
- Rebuilt the distibutor
- Rebuilt the cooling system
- Rebuilt the heating system
- Rebuilt the fuel delivery system
- Replaced the wiring harness
- Rebuilt all the gauges
- Replaced all the exterior lighting
- Am in the process of having the brakes rebuilt
- Got a fire extinguisher :)

Yes, there's a lot to do, but just take it one thing at a time and you'll get there. Take pix of everything along the way so you can remind yourself how far you've come!

And don't be afraid to ask around here. There's lots of guys with lots of knowledge (and sometimes even parts!) who are ready and willing to help. You are not alone!


[img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com
www.studebakersandiego.com

tutone63
11-24-2009, 12:51 PM
Welcome! I too am a fellow 63 4door owner! I love mine! Yup, owning a stude comes with its share of work. Just like a good marriage (or any relationship) you will have to work at it daily to keep it going down the road right! One thing I found out when I joined this club: Whatever you do to your car, do it for yourself, what you want it to be. Not for what others say you should do, and not what you think will make it "more valuable." The main reason I say that is because any work/money/time you put into it is not going to compensate for what the dollar value of the finished product may be. It is a personal labor of love. It is your car, and you will be the one driving it. If you want it all original: go for it! But remember: value, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

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1963 Lark, 259 V8, two-tone paint, Twin Traction. Driven often, always noticed!

stude62
11-24-2009, 03:30 PM
Thanks to everyone who answered!

First thing I did when I bought was to join the SDC - the club is legendary for its involvement and the people in the club itself. And I am most certainly looking forward to my first issue of Turning Wheels. I don't know how much good I can do my my local chapter (so far the folks I have spoken to have been just wonderful), but I'm a body.

Mechanic Tim called and said he isn't having luck with the with the dash guage that shows fuel, amps, temp, etc. He said that he can see at signs of least three previous repairs and believes that we need to move on to a fresh guage cluster. So to get the car street legal he'll stop working on the cluster and focus on the brake lights up and running and we'll get the car tomorrow.

In the mean time, Tim suggested that I locate and buy two things:
1) Another gauge cluster for the dash and
2) Another dome light switch for the drivers front door.

I need the seat covers for my own piece of mind. Can't show this car to my mother without the seat covers. She'll have cow if she saw stuffing all over, and at 85 I don't think its a good idea that she calf.:D

For the gentleman that knew the car was in Alabama, I can say that I what I paid for the car was a good price for the condition. The asking price was a bit steep for the actual condition of the car.

Need to get this thing through the Ohio inspection process (all they do is look at the VIN numbers to see if the bill of sale matches the car) so we can get it titled.

Ideally, though, I really would like to find a 1964-65 four-door Daytona or Cruiser.

Stu K

"If not now, when?"

jackb
11-24-2009, 03:50 PM
I have a 63' Cruiser...Rose Mist in and out. You can buy the entire seat cover set in the original materials from Phantom Auto Works. It is a bit pricey but the only way to correctly match your car. Any other color choice will be disappoointing after a while...I would strongly urge you to get and replace your wiring harness..Again, not cheap. I have a couple of gage clusters, a wiring harness and other stuff from two 63' Larks. Could be of help.
The seats will have to wait at least 3-6 months, maybe less in this economy......but you're storing for the winter anyway...not bad timing...

Milaca
11-24-2009, 03:56 PM
You may want to take some pictures of the seats and then take the pictures to local upholsterers for pricing. It may cost $1000 to $2000 to have them redone but at least the seats will be as good as new. The cheap way would be to buy an aftermarket seat cover, but it wont look as good as original from the factory.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3939471781_afa477b3ae_t.jpg
Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.

warrlaw1
11-24-2009, 04:10 PM
I did what Milaca suggested and the price was $1600 CDN for everything. I intend to drive it and my co-pilot will be my Jack Russell terrorist. I bought some NOS seat covers just for her :).

Invalid User Name
11-24-2009, 04:19 PM
Welcome. If I was you, I'd do two things. First - get Tim to give it a clean bill of health, brakes etc. Second - drive the car. You will get attached to it and after a year or so you will feel more in command. then you can decide on a course of action. Good luck.

Doug

Venice, Florida
1950 Champion 9G F1

JDP
11-24-2009, 04:24 PM
quote:Originally posted by Milaca

You may want to take some pictures of the seats and then take the pictures to local upholsterers for pricing. It may cost $1000 to $2000 to have them redone but at least the seats will be as good as new. The cheap way would be to buy an aftermarket seat cover, but it wont look as good as original from the factory.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3939471781_afa477b3ae_t.jpg
Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.



I can do very pretty seat upholstery in all cloth, all vinyl or a combination for $240-$300 set. Here's a basic, all vinyl style as a example, but I do many more styles.
http://www.stude.com/covers/robert.jpg


JDP/Maryland

DEEPNHOCK
11-24-2009, 04:27 PM
I love an optimist...
But I don't think it'll start, even with a jump....
Jeff[8D]
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3616/4088962023_be034527f9.jpg

Milaca
11-24-2009, 04:34 PM
There you go, you can purchase some custom-fit covers from John (JDP) and either install them yourself or hire a professional to install them for you. When I purchased custom-fit covers for my Hawk, I hired a professional to install them as I wanted them to fit tight and because I needed some of the cushion padding repaired. But that doesnt mean that you cant do a good job of installing them yourself.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3939471781_afa477b3ae_t.jpg
Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.

GEEMAC
11-24-2009, 05:10 PM
hAVE A SET OF ROSE MIST REAR SEATS IN EXCELLENT CONDITION FROM A63 COUPE, VINYL WITH CLOTH INSERTS,WOULD MAKE SOME ONE A HECK OF A DEAL AS I HAVE NO USE FOR THEM. MAC

lotsalarks
11-24-2009, 10:53 PM
Hi,
I sent you an e-mail but I'm not sure if the forum e-mail is working. I have some '63 NOS seat covers that might match what the car originally had. Do you have a picture of the interior?

Will
will@starlightstude.com

"The Common Sense Car"


'61 Lark "Isabella"
'63 Lark "Lucy"
'63 Wagonaire "Carl"
A bunch of other Larks
'50 Starlight, '55 Speedster , '58 Packard Hardtop, '59 Pickup, '64 Avanti "Jerry"

jackb
11-25-2009, 01:52 PM
there are several seat cover sets on eBay right now in Rose Mist. I think the problems are: 1) Too old and tight to safely install 2) Color damage may not be altered = wrong color. Also, if you go with a different color seat cover, you need to go with door panels to match....

barnlark
11-26-2009, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by stude62
Mechanic Tim called and said he isn't having luck with the with the dash guage that shows fuel, amps, temp, etc. He said that he can see at signs of least three previous repairs and believes that we need to move on to a fresh guage cluster.

That gauge problem sounds like either a bad ground, or since its been messed with previously, I bet the wire plugs have just been put on the incorrect posts. The gas gauge will come up very slowly, so be patient. You'll know right away if any new ones you purchase do the same thing.

buddymander
11-26-2009, 10:02 PM
Okay--It doesn't make sense to say the steering is loose but there are no worn components and everything is fine. Also--it's a cop out to condemn an entire gauge cluster.

comatus
11-26-2009, 10:04 PM
"Positive ground. That should be a on a sticker like "Caution Fan". "

Warrlaw, what is this positive ground of which you speak? Neither of my 63's was positive ground.

Do you mean to be positive about what's grounded? Because that is good advice.

buddymander
11-26-2009, 10:05 PM
JDP--Where can I see the different styles etc that you're talking about? Also the pricing for different models and styles.

JDP
11-26-2009, 10:21 PM
quote:Originally posted by buddymander

JDP--Where can I see the different styles etc that you're talking about? Also the pricing for different models and styles.


Too many ways to do them to list them all. Basic plain or pleated seating surface, add a top panel, side panels, mix or match colors, and so on. Best to call, but here are a few. (ignore the seat shape, just look at the panel layouts.)

http://stude.com/covers/D1D2.jpg

http://stude.com/covers/S5S6.jpg

JDP/Maryland

buddymander
11-26-2009, 10:43 PM
would it be safe to say that the S-6 would cost 50% more than the D-1; in the same material, or less than that of a difference? What are the basic costs per pattern in your caso material? No basic price? Do you only do Studebakers? I need covers for 61 Ranchero; same as tudor Falcon. That red looks good.

warrlaw1
11-27-2009, 08:16 AM
Comatus, my 55 is bone stock and it's 6V positive ground. On most domestic vehicles the ground side of the circuit, going through the engine, frame and sheet metal attaches to the "negative post" of the battery. On most Studes they attach to the "positive post" of the battery. The shielded wiring side of the circuit attaches, through the starter selenoid, ignition switch and relays to the "negative post" of the battery. The original poster's problem was that the mover tried to boost the battery with reversed polarity. That would create an immediate short and possibly overload the instruments et.al. I'm not positive but I tried to stay grounded :)

stude62
11-27-2009, 08:56 AM
quote:Originally posted by jackb

there are several seat cover sets on eBay right now in Rose Mist. I think the problems are: 1) Too old and tight to safely install 2) Color damage may not be altered = wrong color. Also, if you go with a different color seat cover, you need to go with door panels to match....


You know I saw them and considered them even thought they aren't Regal trim level, but then it dawned on me that while the front seat, rear seat and rear back would work, the front back wouldn't because I have a single seat back and those are for a spilt back. So I'm still looking.

Stu K

"If not now, when?"

stude62
11-27-2009, 09:08 AM
quote:Originally posted by buddymander

Okay--It doesn't make sense to say the steering is loose but there are no worn components and everything is fine. Also--it's a cop out to condemn an entire gauge cluster.


Tim is not one to through the baby out with the bath water. So if the steering is loose but the parts are essentially in good repair and safe, but at the same time, not "perfect". Driving the car on Friday it handles like a dream considering its age and not having power steering. I was able to whip that puppy right around a traffic calming rotary with no more effect than I put into my 2003 Maxima SE!

As for the guage cluster, he based that after crawling in and taking a look, not after pulling the dash. The gas guage sorta works (we filled up the tank, which how I discovered the leak) but the guage only came up to half full.

We have decided to move the ignition to the right side of the dash - its simply too difficult for us to get to it on the left hand side of the dash (especially with a key ring full of keys. I think the 1964, 65, 66 dash fittings moved the key to the right side.

Stu K

"If not now, when?"

Transtar56
11-27-2009, 10:47 AM
Hey JDP,thanks for using my picture of my 60 Hawk seats! You must have thought it was a good install (G)

JDP
11-27-2009, 10:53 AM
quote:Originally posted by Transtar56

Hey JDP,thanks for using my picture of my 60 Hawk seats! You must have thought it was a good install (G)



Best job by a nonpro I've seen so far, nice and tight.

JDP/Maryland

studeclunker
11-27-2009, 01:06 PM
If your seat frame is bent, " (the seat back is bent as if a very large person pushed backward to get out)" You might want to take a close look at the structure of the seat. It might be broken. If you need a Rose Mist steering wheel, I have a used one I'd be willing to part with. The horn ring is a bit pitted, however, the rest is in good shape. I also have a complete dash, and door panels (driver quality), available.

One question; what is 8 o'clock (besides a good time for tea)?

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