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studeclunker
01-23-2007, 05:59 PM
Well, I took the Parkview out for it's trial run. It overheated, the brakes were weird pulling from left to right (Not unexpected, I rather expected to have to adust them), and the carb was rather inconsistant. It would stall in idle and refuse to restart without the choke fully on. This whilst showing that it was overheating? Not only that, the cap didn't release any coolant, that is to say, it didn't boil over with the gauge showing very hot. There was a good deal of smoke and steam, though not enough to be more than a mild concern. Not like there were clouds of it anyway, and not noticeable till I stopped. I did spill some oil whilst working on it, and there was a leak in the oil filter canister that just got fixed yesterday. Not to mention twenty-five years of debris.[:I]

So, it looks like the thermostat might not be working properly (unexpected), the carb and brakes need adjustment (expected), any other suggestions? I'm open...[8)]

Other than that, the experiment went swimmingly. The car ran largely smoothly and was a delight to drive. It climbed the hill without any more labour than the understandable, due to the overheating condition. The OD is definitely engaged, and I need to get the cable working. Yet, with the lever in the engaged position it will go into reverse[?] Go figure.

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Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

dennyscars
01-23-2007, 06:18 PM
Ron: I suggest you get a candy thermometer or meat thermometer which can be found at hardware or variety stores and stick it in the radiator neck (into the coolant) while the engine warms up and you can watch the thermometer to see the true temp. of the coolant and proceed from there. No use in trusting old gauges and sending units. You can also remove the 'stat and put it in a pot of water and heat it on the stove till it opens up and check the temp of the water at that point with the same thermometer. The 'stat should open at approx. the temp. stamped on it.

Dennis Napier

Orestudeguy
01-23-2007, 11:57 PM
Ron,

Being that that car sat for a number of years.. I would venture to say the cooling system needs a good flushing..
Probably a bunch of sediment built up around the area of the sending unit..
When you do flush it out, be sure that you have to valve open to the heater core so it gets flushed out too..
By the way, you coming up this way? Do you still have "Mabel"?

George
65 Commander 2door
64 Wagonaire 3 now!
63 Champ
63 GT Hawk
51 Champion Starlight Coupe

studeclunker
01-24-2007, 03:54 AM
OOOOh! Great idea on the candy thermomitor! I think there just might be one around here. Mum and Dad liked to cook. I wish I'd thought of that.
I put the thermostat in a pan of water and it opened just before the water boiled. In fact, I had a choice of two and I took the one that opened earliest. I'll try it again with the thermomitor.

No, George. I only have Frumpy.[|)] Anne has Mabel.[:X] I wish it was the opposite. Mabel is a real dish and Frumpy... well, she's frumpy. Since no one seems to want her, I'm taking parts off. She'll donate whatever is useful to something at least. It's better than rotting up here.
I kind of thought along the same line with regards to debris in the block. 'Course it could just be a bad sensor or gauge... I hope.
You're certainly right about the flushing. I was looking at the water this evening, whilst running it. The coolant was the colour of slip. That is to say liquid clay... aw rats! It looked like mud, okay? Sorry, I'm just a wee bit frustrated.[8][B)]


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K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

Dick Steinkamp
01-24-2007, 11:01 AM
Congrats, clunk!! A milestone for sure [8D]

I'd suggest that the brakes pulling are probably not a matter of adjustment. One of the beauties of hydraulic brakes is that you get equal pressure at all 4 wheels even if the adjustment is off. I'd look closely at wheel cylinders, foreign matter (grease, oil, brake fluid) on shoes, etc.



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CHAMP
01-24-2007, 11:27 AM
Don' forget the rubber brake hoses!!!

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

John Kirchhoff
01-24-2007, 01:00 PM
If you or someone else has had the engine out, make sure one of the steel brake lines going to the front wheels wasn't smashed when the engine was being pulled or replaced. It happened to me but don't know if it was me or the guy before me that did it.

studeclunker
01-24-2007, 04:35 PM
Ok, I took the car to get gas and the Post again. It ran ok, though stalled again. There seems to be an adjustment problem with the carb. As soon as I got back home, the cap came off and the candy thermometer went in. 175 degrees. I guess it's either the sender or old gauge. The OD is definitely engaged as the car will roll in first without turning over the engine. I'll have to get under the car and manually manipulate the lever. Looks like the handle and cable(?) will have to come out to be serviced. Might as well take out the parking brake assy. as well. Both of them seem to be stuck.



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Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

showbizkid
01-24-2007, 07:25 PM
Sounds like crap built up in the rear of the heads to me, Ron. Betcha pulling those pipe fittings and flushing it all out will be the cure.


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studeclunker
01-25-2007, 12:25 AM
Well, took the old girl to the post again today. She stalled again. I did the choke manipulation and she was off and running.
I got underneath and released the OD cable. I then soaked the handle tube and the other end with WD40. Then worked at the cable till it came out completely. I shoved the tube as far in below and above and gave it a good squirt each time. It works freely now. Now the transmission holds nicely. I found later today that if she stalls, all I have to do is let it sit five minutes or so and it'll start right up.
There is a worrysome amount of noise from the valves though. What would cause loud valves? Bess sounds like my dad's thresher. Rattle-clack, rattle-clack, rattle-clack... Worries me sick.


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K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

John Kirchhoff
01-25-2007, 09:09 AM
Studes have manually adjusted valves and will clatter when just a bit loose. Any more we're all so used to hydraulic tappets we forget the old cars needed adjustments every so often. Get them set and I bet you'll be surprised at how much quieter it runs.

studeclunker
01-25-2007, 04:21 PM
Ok, I'll make an appointment with the mechanic. So, this isn't a serious problem then?

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Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

John Kirchhoff
01-25-2007, 10:39 PM
Actually it's pretty easy to adjust the valves if you have kind of mechanical ability at all. And no, it's not serious, just a part of regular maintainence.

Anne F. Goodman
01-25-2007, 11:36 PM
quote:Originally posted by Orestudeguy

Ron,


By the way, you coming up this way? Do you still have "Mabel"?

George
65 Commander 2door
64 Wagonaire 3 now!
63 Champ
63 GT Hawk
51 Champion Starlight Coupe

This is Mabel she lives down in Fresno,Ca
Anne

Mabel 1949 Champion
1957 Silverhawk
1955 Champion 4Dr.Regal
Gus 1958 Transtar
Fresno,Ca
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