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bige
11-20-2009, 08:19 PM
DAS dropped off my '88 Avanti coupe today. Cosmetically it's a little 'edgier' than I expected but my son Michael is handy with a buffer and we will 'Lark Shine" the car tomorrow.

It's been baking in the California sun for 5 or 6 years so there are interior issues to deal with but conversely it's dry and mostly rust free underneath.

Things started off like they usually do when a new acquisition arrives. The shifter was flopping around and it took awhile to get the linkage to a spot that would allow the key to turn. The driver got it off the truck and in my driveway but I had to open up the console before I could start it or put it into park. Easy enough and when I saw the cable casing clip was off I was relieved. Even more so when I found it laying in the opening next to a couple of quarters.

I got it started, checked the fluids, put on my plates and backed it out of the driveway. I got 2 blocks and it died. 2 more times starting and dying and I made it back to my driveway. Figuring it was the gas filter I opened up the carb and I was right. Once a new filter was in it was off to the gas station.

The tires are so dry rotted, cracked and flat spotted it's hard to tell what the car will ultimately ride like but it definitely feels more like my El Camino than my Stude Avanti.

The dash looks better when you're behind the wheel than it does in pictures. The steering wheel is small and comfy and the view is sports car like from the driver's seat. Reminds me of a car I worked on when I had my gas stations, an ISO Grifo.

Some detailing will make this a good running 10 footer. One surprise, the wheels looked like they were painted silver like stock IROC wheels but when I cleaned a spot I found they were chrome! Yeah, there's that much dirt and oxidation on the car.

ErnieR

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/14w-2-1.jpg http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/4247h2c_20-1.jpg
R2 R5388 @ Macungie 2006 __________________ 1988 PO's driveway Los Angeles

sweetolbob
11-20-2009, 08:33 PM
Ernie

Post pictures as you go. Love to live vicariously that way.

Still sounds like a very good deal.:)

Bob

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bams50
11-20-2009, 09:04 PM
Thanks for the report, Ernie, we like living vicariously through you. Nice car, but the big question- what you gonna do with the quarters?????:D

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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GOD BLESS AMERICA

bige
11-20-2009, 09:21 PM
They went in my pocket. Mainly because I envisioned being stuck on the side of the road someday because the quarters I didn't fish out of the console jammed themselves somewhere and destroyed something.;)


quote:Originally posted by bams50

Thanks for the report, Ernie, we like living vicariously through you. Nice car, but the big question- what you gonna do with the quarters?????:D

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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GOD BLESS AMERICA








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R2 R5388 @ Macungie 2006 __________________ 1988 PO's driveway Los Angeles

Milaca
11-20-2009, 10:58 PM
Ernie, when you finish that project, how about you build my latest design concept, an Avantino.... [8D]
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2772/4120728913_76c9831bfd.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3939471781_afa477b3ae_t.jpg
Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.

JGK 940
11-20-2009, 11:02 PM
quote:Originally posted by Milaca

Ernie, when you finish that project, how about you build my latest design concept, an Avantino.... [8D]


oh... emm... gee... I'm sorry... but that's just... WRONG... [xx(]

Keoni Dibelka / HiloFoto
In Hawai'i; on Hawai'i; on the Windward Side
If da salt air never chew 'em up bumbye da lava will...

bige
11-20-2009, 11:07 PM
That's way beyond my abilities and patience level! In fact I couldn't even make the picture like you did. Doesn't look too bad though.

ErnieR

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/14w-2-1.jpg http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/4247h2c_20-1.jpg
R2 R5388 @ Macungie 2006 __________________ 1988 PO's driveway Los Angeles

clonelark
11-21-2009, 03:33 AM
That Avantino don't look that bad, maybe with a 63 round headlight front clip. I like your new Avanti also, wheels look good even not cleaned up.

http://i49.tinypic.com/spg1om.jpg

8E45E
11-21-2009, 05:19 AM
Where was that car made? South Bend? or Youngstown? 1988 was the transition period were production got transferred midway through the year.

Craig

bige
11-21-2009, 06:14 PM
I forgot to look where it was built I will tomorrow.

These are interesting cars. It was said that the dash has a "kit car" look. Calling these Avantis kit cars is not far from reality. I pulled the door panel today to dig into the non working power window. The door lock switch is just stuck in the hole, nothing other than the friction of vinyl and plastic holding it in. I also learned the shift indicator is glued directly to the wooden console shift plate. There are some pieces that, I suppose, were a pointer and something to light it with but figuring out how it all goes together is low priority now.

While I had the door panel off I stuck my arm in up to the shoulder to tighten a loose side view mirror. While I'm feeling around in there I feel some odd shaped washers. Thinking they are some kind of centering cam I decide to remove the nuts entirely rather than just tighten them down so I can see what they do and make sure I'm tightening things down correctly.
Well the centering cams turned out to be two padlock keys! Seems there is a hole that either enlarged itself or was drilled improperly and the keys were there instead of larger washers. I put in some thin aluminum shims that molded themselves to the contours so I didn't have to go to the hardware store and buy a couple of more padlocks to get the keys to fill the hole.

I notice that the positive battery terminal was squished up against the upper hose so I pulled the battery to reposition it. Once I got the battery situated properly the A/C pulley hit the battery. Fortunately it was only touching the part that holds those plastic handles that new batteries come with. I cut off the offending plastic and tightened the battery down. A top terminal battery and some new cables would probably make for a cleaner install because you can't remove the negative cable without lifting the battery.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/001.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/002.jpg

My son Michael spent the whole day buffing away a layer or two of oxidation and the car went from a 50 footer to a 20 footer. We learned that the car probably started life as a black car. The current paint was definitely a quickie job. Easily removed pieces like tailights were masked off and some things that should have been masked like the wiper pivots weren't. It became obvious that all the trim around the windows started out as black, was painted white and then black again.

The good news on the body is I couldn't find any signs of repair other than on the decklid where the luggage rack was removed.

I took a little poetic license and repainted the black headlight surrounds with stainless steel paint and then bolted on some extra chrome outer rings I had on the shelf to replace the black painted pair originally on the car. I thought all the black around the headlights on the white car looked like a woman with too much dark eye makeup on.

Here's before...

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/53616bd_20-1.jpg

And after...

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/010.jpg

While I would love to have all the trim be polished stainless and chrome the goal right now is to amke a presentable 'beater' Avanti so I think I will paint all the trim the same stainless steel gray. I did the tailights housings and Avanti script the same way.

More cleaning and polishing tomorrow...

ErnieR

ErnieR

Milaca
11-21-2009, 06:23 PM
I agree, it looks better without mascarra (eye liner, whatever ) Lookin' good!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3939471781_afa477b3ae_t.jpg
[b]Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.

Bob Caser
11-21-2009, 06:32 PM
your headlight treatment is much better in the after photos, nice work.

But, I am really impressed with your ability to change the trees in the back-round.

mrbobinc

bige
11-21-2009, 06:43 PM
LOL!

Before's were from the Craigslist ad when the car was still in LA.

I like your sense of humor:D

ErnieR



quote:Originally posted by Bob Caser

your headlight treatment is much better in the after photos, nice work.

But, I am really impressed with your ability to change the trees in the back-round.

mrbobinc


http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/14w-2-1.jpghttp://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/013-1-1-1.jpg
R2 R5388 @ Macungie 2006 __________________ 1988 "Beater" Avanti

Avantidon
11-21-2009, 06:47 PM
Based on your description Ernis, I supectthis is an Ohio car. mechanically easy to work on but you will find some surprises as you go along. Please keep us informed.

bige
11-21-2009, 06:48 PM
While I would like to eliminate the body side molding entirely removal would just reveal the oiginal black paint underneath.

I'm torn on what I should replace it with. The current molding has been painted over and has layers of black and white and looks shabby. My dilemma is whether to go chrome, white or chrome on the bumpers and white on the sides?



http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/14w-2-1.jpghttp://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/013-1-1-1.jpg
R2 R5388 @ Macungie 2006 __________________ 1988 "Beater" Avanti

Bob Caser
11-21-2009, 06:55 PM
ErnieR,

I spent my formative years where you are now located. Weekends at Island Drag Strip when the weather permitted.
I left New Jersey in 1965 with R5051( Turq/Turg), and came to where the palm trees are in the CraigsList photo

mrbobinc

bige
11-21-2009, 07:06 PM
I have 8mm movies my dad took at Island in 1962. It hasn't changed much to this day! Go on the right night and you can get in 10+ runs.

NJ is a good training ground.

ErnieR


quote:Originally posted by Bob Caser

ErnieR,

I spent my formative years where you are now located. Weekends at Island Drag Strip when the weather permitted.
I left New Jersey in 1965 with R5051( Turq/Turg), and came to where the palm trees are in the CraigsList photo

mrbobinc

Milaca
11-21-2009, 07:07 PM
Ernie, being that you removed the mascarra, I took the liberty to give your Avanti a beauty makeover by adding some eye shadow, lipstick and some gold hoop earrings. Gosh, I thinks I'm in love...:D
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2515/4123568418_772cbae322.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3939471781_afa477b3ae_t.jpg
Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.

bige
11-21-2009, 07:18 PM
If they ever make an 'R' rated CARS movie I think we have the female lead.

I just realized you put earings on her...LMAO:D:D:D:D

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/14w-2-1.jpghttp://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/013-1-1-1.jpg
R2 R5388 @ Macungie 2006 __________________ 1988 "Beater" Avanti

Milaca
11-21-2009, 07:21 PM
LOL, yes, I think this Avanti likes to park at street corners. :D
It's only fitting that an Avanti movie would be 'R' rated being that the 1963-1964 engines were. ;)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3939471781_afa477b3ae_t.jpg
Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.

jallen
11-22-2009, 04:42 AM
Ernie, looks better already. Constructive project plus distraction,
plus found money, hope the news continues to be good.

JBOYLE
11-22-2009, 10:39 AM
quote:Originally posted by bige
I thought all the black around the headlights on the white car looked like a woman with too much dark eye makeup on.


I think we have a name for it...
Tammy Fay....

It's a neat project, look like fun.
Thanks for saving it from an umcertain future..

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

sbca96
11-22-2009, 03:11 PM
Dump the IROCs (Its hard to tell from the thumbnail if those are the
earlier ones, or the desirable later ones) and pick up a set of these
with a black inset mesh, they offered them on Avantis and they look
more European. It will really set off the white car. Unless the IROC
chrome cleans up ... usually from what you describe its all pitted.

http://69.222.26.73/hk/images/pontiac-firebird-1988a.jpg

Tom

'63 Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, soon: TKO 5-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276 cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires

bige
11-22-2009, 05:16 PM
I have a set of those in the garage with black mesh.

Besides the fact that I like the IROC wheels they fit the Avanti better because they are offset so they won't stick out too far.

Since the car is my beater Avanti, for now, the pitting will match the paint and the 'patina' will be even all around.

ErnieR



quote:Originally posted by sbca96

Dump the IROCs (Its hard to tell from the thumbnail if those are the
earlier ones, or the desirable later ones) and pick up a set of these
with a black inset mesh, they offered them on Avantis and they look
more European. It will really set off the white car. Unless the IROC
chrome cleans up ... usually from what you describe its all pitted.

http://69.222.26.73/hk/images/pontiac-firebird-1988a.jpg

Tom

'63 Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, soon: TKO 5-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276 cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires


http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/14w-2-1.jpghttp://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/013-1-1-1.jpg
R2 R5388 @ Macungie 2006 __________________ 1988 "Beater" Avanti

bige
11-22-2009, 05:37 PM
Dug into the non working driver's window today. Needs a motor along with some fiberglass repair and lots of wd-40 and grease on the channels.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/001-3.jpg


You can see the 'Erector Set' attempt at repair on the cracked inner door lower left in the picture. Also, you see about 1/4" of white showing in the rectangular opening they are shims for the lower stops. I removed one of these to get the regulator out and they are, I believe, pieces of ceramic tile! Since I have now found two padlock keys, and ceramic tile used for repairs on this door I can only surmise that there is a Home Depot in California that is doing auto repair.

I forgot to mention the speaker wire to the door lock switch.

Since there are no cowl vents I was wondering if anyone knew where or if there's a fresh air intake? I couldn't find anything but the recirculating door.

ErnieR

sweetolbob
11-22-2009, 05:59 PM
Ernie

P.O. = CAAO :)

Looks like you're having fun and that's what this hobby is all about.

Bob
.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh263/sweetolbob/P1000416.jpg?t=1227109182, http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh263/sweetolbob/031-1.jpg?t=1254424814

sbca96
11-22-2009, 06:21 PM
quote:Originally posted by bige

I have a set of those in the garage with black mesh.
Besides the fact that I like the IROC wheels they fit the Avanti better because they are offset so they won't stick out too far.

Thats odd, if they are mesh wheels from a Firebird they should have
the same offset as the IROCs. 3rd Gen wheels are also designated as
front and rear, so if they fit good now, make sure you DON'T rotate.
I have the later 3rd Gen wheels on our 2nd Gen, and to make them fit
I had to put the fronts on the rear and rears on the front. I would
bet this is how they got the IROCs to fit the Avanti chassis. I would
check the front wheel to upper a-arm for a contact point, I had to
grind some of the upper control arm away to make enough clearance.

Tom

bige
11-22-2009, 07:08 PM
They are T/A wheels. The wheels currently on the Avanti are IROC Style wheels that were probably purchased on ebay, 17 inch. No fitment issues that I can see.

I'm anxious to get the new tires on. The tires are so bad, all cracked and flat spotted. The whole car shakes at 40 mph +.

ErnieR


quote:Originally posted by sbca96


quote:Originally posted by bige

I have a set of those in the garage with black mesh.
Besides the fact that I like the IROC wheels they fit the Avanti better because they are offset so they won't stick out too far.

Thats odd, if they are mesh wheels from a Firebird they should have
the same offset as the IROCs. 3rd Gen wheels are also designated as
front and rear, so if they fit good now, make sure you DON'T rotate.
I have the later 3rd Gen wheels on our 2nd Gen, and to make them fit
I had to put the fronts on the rear and rears on the front. I would
bet this is how they got the IROCs to fit the Avanti chassis. I would
check the front wheel to upper a-arm for a contact point, I had to
grind some of the upper control arm away to make enough clearance.

Tom


http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/14w-2-1.jpghttp://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/013-1-1-1.jpg
R2 R5388 @ Macungie 2006 __________________ 1988 "Beater" Avanti

studegary
11-22-2009, 09:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by 8E45E

Where was that car made? South Bend? or Youngstown? 1988 was the transition period were production got transferred midway through the year.

Craig


1987 was the transition from South Bend to Youngstown. A 1988 would be an Ohio car.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

bige
11-23-2009, 06:07 AM
I did look and it was produced in Ohio



quote:Originally posted by studegary


quote:Originally posted by 8E45E

Where was that car made? South Bend? or Youngstown? 1988
was the transition period were production got transferred midway through the year.

Craig


1987 was the transition from South Bend to Youngstown. A 1988 would be an Ohio car.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer


http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/14w-2-1.jpghttp://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/013-1-1-1.jpg
R2 R5388 @ Macungie 2006 __________________ 1988 "Beater" Avanti

sbca96
11-23-2009, 11:59 AM
quote:Originally posted by bige

They are T/A wheels. The wheels currently on the Avanti are IROC Style wheels that were probably purchased on ebay, 17 inch. No fitment issues that I can see.

There are no factory 17 inch IROC wheels, all IROC wheels are 16", if
you have 17s they are knock offs. Camaro and Firebird use the same
chassis, the offsets are the same, if it fits a T/A or Firebird then
it fits a Camaro. The Avanti uses a Monte Carlo chassis, which is not
the same as the F-body. If your IROC wheels are 17" aftermarket, they
might be a different offset to fit the Monte, they also make then to
fit the 5 on 5 Impala SS bolt circle, where as the Monte and F-body is
a 5 on 4-3/4.

Tom

Milaca
11-23-2009, 12:29 PM
Found some IROC Camaro wheel pics. The following info is borrowed from http://www.tacreationsusa.com/camaro_wheels.htm
These are Size : 16" x 8"
Backspacing Front : 4.75"
Backspacing Rear : 5.25"
Bolt pattern : 4.75" from 1988-90
http://www.tacreationsusa.com/images/Wheels/8890IROC.jpg
These are Size : 16" x 8"
Backspacing Front : 4.75"
Backspacing Rear : 5.25"
Bolt pattern : 4.75" from 1985-87
http://www.tacreationsusa.com/images/Wheels/8587Iroc.jpg

82 - 92 Wheels : Will not fit on 93 and newer vehicles properly. Wheels will stick out approximately 2" past wheel well when installed on a 4th gen. This is due to the difference in backspace. There is no way to correctly install these wheels on a 4th gen.
93 - 02 Wheels : Will not fit 82-92 Firebirds without adapters. The wheels are interchangeable between front and rear axles. The spacers/adapters required for this conversion are approximately 2.125" thick. This is due to the difference in backspace. These wheel adapters are available through www.vettebrakes.com under PN 13770 (standard lugs) & PN 13770M (metric studs), priced at $179.95 pair as of 11/03/03. The adapters will also work on 1st and 2nd gen F-bodies as well.

For what its worth, I think the wheels that Ernie has on the Avanti look good.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3939471781_afa477b3ae_t.jpg
Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.

bige
11-23-2009, 01:09 PM
Yes I know they are knock offs, I was referring to the mesh wheels I have in the garage as original T/A wheels.

I like the wheels, in fact if I ever decide to raise the status of the car up from a beater I may stay with that style wheel but for now new tires on old wheels is all it gets.:)

ErnieR

'

quote:Originally posted by sbca96


quote:Originally posted by bige

They are T/A wheels. The wheels currently on the Avanti are IROC Style wheels that were probably purchased on ebay, 17 inch. No fitment issues that I can see.

There are no factory 17 inch IROC wheels, all IROC wheels are 16", if
you have 17s they are knock offs. Camaro and Firebird use the same
chassis, the offsets are the same, if it fits a T/A or Firebird then
it fits a Camaro. The Avanti uses a Monte Carlo chassis, which is not
the same as the F-body. If your IROC wheels are 17" aftermarket, they
might be a different offset to fit the Monte, they also make then to
fit the 5 on 5 Impala SS bolt circle, where as the Monte and F-body is
a 5 on 4-3/4.

Tom