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studee64
11-12-2009, 07:38 PM
I am looking at a 1964 Daytona which has engine number JTJ311 and have reason to believe the engine may be a transplant.

Can anyone tell me what the original car built was with that engine?

Thanks very much,

Barry Leppan
Ontario, Canada
64 Daytona HT & 64 GT Hawk R-1
GT Hawk Registry-SDC Hamilton Chapter

PlainBrownR2
11-12-2009, 08:07 PM
You have a 64 Lark/Hawk R1 engine that was built on September 11, 1963. The 64's received a different numbering system than the 63's. If it's in a 64 Lark already it may be the real deal as its a 64 engine, but a production order would determine that.

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studee64
11-12-2009, 09:33 PM
The production order is what is causing the questions.. The P.O engine number appears modified, or typed over and appears twice...it shows PH314 typed over another unreadable number and then typed a second time as P-H314

Yet it appears to be a correct factory installation of the R-1, maybe a dealer switch a month after the car was delivered?? The final assy date reads 8-16-63.

I seem to recall a forum member in the past has been able to connect the JT numbers with the exact car in came in, so hopefully that someone is still around..
Thanks for the reply John,
Barry

Barry Leppan
Ontario, Canada
64 Daytona HT & 64 GT Hawk R-1
GT Hawk Registry-SDC Hamilton Chapter

klifton1
11-12-2009, 10:19 PM
JTJ311 no is listed a least twice in the roster. Once in a 62 Hawk in Ca. The other in Canada, no car listed.
Klif

55 Speedster
63 Avanti R2
63 Lark R2

studee64
11-12-2009, 11:16 PM
Tkanks Klifton, I also found a 64 Hawk owned by a Dale Schaffer with JTJ311...

I believe all JT engines made on Sept 11, 1963 would have this same number.

Barry Leppan
Ontario, Canada
64 Daytona HT & 64 GT Hawk R-1
GT Hawk Registry-SDC Hamilton Chapter

Bellingham Studenut
11-13-2009, 02:49 AM
[u]The following are all the 1964 car serial #'s built with engine JTJ311</u>
This should help you confirm.

#5758 - A White 4 speed Package 2dr Commander.
#5901 - A Jet Green 4 spd Package Daytona Convertible.
#5563 - A Horizon Green 4 spd Daytona Hardtop.
#5669 - A Bordeaux Red 4 spd Daytona Hardtop.
#5744 - A Laguna Blue 4 spd Package Daytona Hardtop.
#5713 - A White Power Shift Daytona Wagonaire.
#5682 - A Black Power Shift Hawk.

John Koshty, 57 Westgate Park Dr., St. Catherine's, Ontario L2N7E6 and Irv Hirsch, 4949 Ocean View Blvd, La Canada, CA 91011 both had a JTJ311 engine out of the cars.

James Bell

The Bell Collection
Bellingham, WA.

bams50
11-13-2009, 06:12 AM
quote:Originally posted by studee64

The production order is what is causing the questions.. The P.O engine number appears modified, or typed over and appears twice...it shows PH314 typed over another unreadable number and then typed a second time as P-H314


From what I've seen it's somewhat common to find a PO that's been altered. I've seen it on POs directly from the museum, so it must have been an accepted practice.

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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studee64
11-13-2009, 08:36 PM
Thanks to you all for your input and to James Bell and Bob Palma for their help.
I have spoken with John Koshty who aquired the car in 1995 and in addition to lots of info about the car itself discovered the previous and probably 2nd owner of the car was Chuck Naugle...

So now the only outstanding question is which one of the 7 cars James identified was the JT donor car. My suspicion is it was done by the original owner no later than 1967.

Barry Leppan
Ontario, Canada
64 Daytona HT & 64 GT Hawk R-1
GT Hawk Registry-SDC Hamilton Chapter

laughinlark
11-14-2009, 12:08 AM
So they only produced 7 JT engines that day? That thought is pretty sad for the performance side of production! :( Wish I was old enough to order one back in the day..

Gordon

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studegary
11-14-2009, 02:40 PM
quote:Originally posted by studee64

Thanks to you all for your input and to James Bell and Bob Palma for their help.
I have spoken with John Koshty who aquired the car in 1995 and in addition to lots of info about the car itself discovered the previous and probably 2nd owner of the car was Chuck Naugle...

So now the only outstanding question is which one of the 7 cars James identified was the JT donor car. My suspicion is it was done by the original owner no later than 1967.

Barry Leppan
Ontario, Canada
64 Daytona HT & 64 GT Hawk R-1
GT Hawk Registry-SDC Hamilton Chapter


My guess is the two door Commander during the time period that a car like that did not have much value, especially compared to a hardtop or convertible. Of course, if one of the cars was totaled early, that may have been the donor.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

studegary
11-14-2009, 02:43 PM
quote:Originally posted by laughinlark

So they only produced 7 JT engines that day? That thought is pretty sad for the performance side of production! :( Wish I was old enough to order one back in the day..

Gordon



I was buying new cars during that time period. Even though we were into Studebakers then, we purchased a 1964 Fury hardtop with 330 HP 383 and much more for less money than an equivalent Daytona hardtop would have been. What the cars are worth now doesn't enter into it because I traded the 1964 in on a new 1965 Sport Fury.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

candbstudebakers
11-16-2009, 12:03 AM
Ya 63-64 were a good year if you could afford a new car, I got married in Dec. of 62 and my wife had a 60 Corvair, what a dog, we went looking at the new 63 hawks, but could not afford the sticker price of $3200.00 then, so we ended up at the Chevy dealer where my wife had a relative the was sales manager, told him we wanted out of the Corvair and still owed $800.00 he said no problem, take the red one on the floor and leave the Corvair I want it gone today, make you you a super deal to take it, I said ya Frank you must be putting me on if you want me to take that 63 super sport with a 409 and a 4 speed and you get the Corvair with auto on the dash. he said yes it goes out the door today, $2700.00 and we will pay off the Corvair, half hour later we were the new owner of a 409 car, had it 2 years and traded it for a 4 door sedan with a 327, boy to have the 409 now, you know hind site is 20/20...Bob

Bob Peterson / C & B Studebakers

Castro Valley, CA
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