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Avanti82
11-12-2009, 06:09 PM
Here is another one

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1964-Studebaker-Avanti-Supercharged-R2-12-764-Miles_W0QQitemZ140359387553QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item20ae1249a1

Guido
11-12-2009, 07:16 PM
The seller states the car is "One Of The Last Few Cars Built By Studebaker!" However, with serial number 4970 this was actually produced early in the 1964 model year.



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dean pearson
11-12-2009, 08:28 PM
Ya know,
I never liked the way those cars looked. Allways thought they were butt ugly but now I know why.
I think as a kid the only ones I had ever seen were the ones without the chrome front bumper, Plus the fact that I not only did not realize what a powerful car I was looking at but also didn't know how nice the interior was on them.
I have a new found appreciation of the Avanti but still just like some of the curbette models after they did away with the chrome bumpers on the front for several years there I did not like them, actually the curbettes I did not like at all up until the last couple of years.
Thanks for showing me the light.

Dean.

okc63avanti
11-12-2009, 09:00 PM
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

I was in love from the very first time I every saw an Avanti, mine is currently a 1000 miles away from me getting restored and I've been having withdrawal pains.

<div align="left">John</div id="left">

<div align="left">'63 Avanti, R1, Auto, AC, PW (unrestored)</div id="left">
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bams50
11-12-2009, 09:11 PM
Maybe, John, but what a place for it to be...[:p][8D]

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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nels
11-12-2009, 09:19 PM
The serial # looks wrong. Looks more correct for a 1964 six cylinder Lark. I wonder what the circumstances behind the car's history might be.

Bob Caser
11-12-2009, 09:19 PM
After looking at the photos. In my opinion it is hard to believe that this Avanti has 12,000 original miles. Mismatched tires, engine cosmetic condition and other issues indicate more miles.
It is well equipped , including Studebaker front floor mats.But 12,000 original miles I doubt it.

mrbobinc

Dick Steinkamp
11-12-2009, 09:21 PM
He's pretty brave turning it loose on a no reserve auction.



Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA
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dean pearson
11-12-2009, 09:24 PM
John, Yours is a really nice car.
I went driving a few years back with my wife and she told me a story about this crazy (literally) guy that lived out in the woods in a shack with no water or electric near Temecula Ca. and while we were out there we decided to go and see if he was still there, when we drove up into the area where the shack was suddenly we were surrounded by at least 10 starving dogs but this guy Kenny was not there.
In the weeds about 50 feet from the shack there was a brown colored Avanti and 20 feet away was an orange Super bee just sitting there like no one needed or wanted them. We went 15 miles to a store and bought a bag of dog food, went back and fed the dogs but still no Kenny.
Amazing what you can find out in the woods.

Dean.

sals54
11-12-2009, 09:32 PM
Hey, Dick... I just noticed your new signature pix. Is this your next project??? Are you resurrecting another old custom??? That one looks awesome.

sals54
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm197/sals54/NewSignature.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
11-12-2009, 09:39 PM
quote:Originally posted by sals54

Hey, Dick... I just noticed your new signature pix. Is this your next project??? Are you resurrecting another old custom??? That one looks awesome.



I resurrected that one a couple of years ago. Fairly famous northwest magazine car from the early 60's. I'm currently Studeless :( so I needed to change my sig. I liked these vintage photos of my old custom Speedster.



Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA
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bige
11-12-2009, 10:07 PM
Hard to know for sure about the miles but it is a very original car.

When I was in the gas station business whenever there was a job that required hose replacement we would ditch those pain in the neck wire clamps and use the stainless screw on for replacement. The customers always liked seeing the shiny new clamps also. Anyway one of the things I look for as a clue to an original car is the hoses and clamps. Stuff like that would need to be changed in a 125,000 miles but not in 12,000.

The interior and weatherstripping around the doors are also very original looking. Unfortunately low mileage means nothing if the car was stored in such a way that it needs to be restored just as if it had 225,000 miles on it. It could definitely take more dollars than it's worth to make it look and run like a 12,000 mile car but it's a worthwhile candidate for someone who has the money and desire.

It does offer the future owner a break in that the interior looks like a cleaning would bring it up to snuff.

R-3's notwithstanding it's the most desireable combination.

I'd love to get a few detailed pictures of the engine compartment. I think it could serve as guide for future restorations.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/track.jpg
Best so far 15.065 @ 91.84 MPH Island Dragway Great Meadows NJ Summer 2009.

bige
11-12-2009, 10:27 PM
I do think it might have been painted! Is that white showing underneath the out of place hood weatherstrip and showing through some on the area under the hood in on the driver's side "shelf" ?

ErnieR

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Best so far 15.065 @ 91.84 MPH Island Dragway Great Meadows NJ Summer 2009.

unimogjohn
11-12-2009, 10:46 PM
After looking at this and seeing its condition, maybe mine (that I just bought a month ago)does only have 44K miles. It looks every bit as good or bad. It was last registered in 84. As a result, everything that is suppose to move, doesn't; and I am replacing or referbishing just about everything. I am still a month from getting it mobile, and it has been a month of non stop work just getting her running. Now the main harness need to be replace as there was a short at one time and the bundle is fused together. But, I am have a great time.

1963 Avanti R2

Bob Caser
11-13-2009, 12:49 AM
I am unable to clearly see the hose clamps, but they appear that the top one is a correct slotted clamp.
You are correct it is the little details like this that allow a accurate appraisal of any car.
The master cylinder body and top are to rough for a car of claimed mileage, as well as the power steering pump.

The passengers side wire harness appears that it is going through the fender in the wrong location.
The engine is very original otherwise, from what I can see.
Even with poor storage this car has been used more than 12,000 miles.

It has a tilt column, rear speaker , power windows, R2, 4 speed, it might even have a am/fm radio.
It is the right car for a restoration as a keeper.

mrbobinc

bams50
11-13-2009, 05:13 AM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

He's pretty brave turning it loose on a no reserve auction.


Not really. He can just pull it right at the end if he doesn't like the price; same as "I have it listed locally". Apparently it's allowed by eBay, although it's pretty petty and dishonest. I always just shell out the big 7 dollars to have a reserve. No reserve is a good sales technique, but it's still dishonest if you don't honor it[V]

Imagine having an R2 Avanti with 12K miles and can't see your way clear to spend $7 for a reserve[}:)]

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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GOD BLESS AMERICA

nels
11-13-2009, 06:32 AM
Why is no one concerned about the serial number? Its definitely not an Avanti's.

bige
11-13-2009, 08:51 AM
The 4970 part could be correct. The car is definitely a post transition car but before the 'thick seat' became standard.

ErnieR

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/track.jpg
Best so far 15.065 @ 91.84 MPH Island Dragway Great Meadows NJ Summer 2009.

jlmccuan
11-13-2009, 11:49 AM
Seller has edited to include pic with serial plate and it is R4970. Avanti 4970 according to Bob's registry is:

R1 R-4970
19 January 2002
Unknown whereabouts

Previous owner: Paul Johnson
Harpers Ferry, WV
Owned: 1969 - 1971

(R-1, 4-speed, a/c, p/w, p/s, TT)
4970 was like the true '64s (solid turquoise interior, black carpets and trunk carpeting, round knobs on the console controls, but round headlights).

The seller has also included a pic of the engine number RSH37

Did anyone else notice the cover plate made to cover the AC vents on the console?

The car on Ebay and it's story do not match.

I have contacted the seller. We'll see what he does.

Jim
Often in error, never in doubt
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____1966 Avanti II RQA 0088_______________1963 Avanti R2 63R3152____________Rabid Snail Racing

mbstude
11-13-2009, 12:07 PM
If Paul Johnson owned this car, he can chime in and clear the mystery. :)

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

Bob Caser
11-13-2009, 03:57 PM
Interesting that it still has the paper tag indicating the color of the car. These usually dried up over the years fell on the carpet and disappeared.
The console has been modified but it is not a air conditioning plate. Possibly it held a after market stereo at some time.

mrbobinc

64V-K7
11-13-2009, 04:42 PM
Ok, the ownership issue is cleared up. Paul's car was R-4670 and I also had it listed, but his (4670) history came in a later email,
and it was pasted below R-4970, by accident.

The Ebay R2 looks legitimate..

http://www.studebaker-info.org/7168422/sig2.jpghttp://www.studebaker-info.org/64v2488/sig3.jpghttp://www.studebaker-info.org/0381/sig4.jpg
Bob Johnstone
www.studebaker-info.org

64 GT Hawk
55 President State Sedan
70 Avanti (R3)

studefan
11-13-2009, 07:17 PM
No way would a 12,000 mile car have that much grease on the block by the engine number.

jlmccuan
11-13-2009, 08:08 PM
Thanks for the SN clarification, Bob. Has anyone checked the engine number?

Jim
Often in error, never in doubt
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____1966 Avanti II RQA 0088_______________1963 Avanti R2 63R3152____________Rabid Snail Racing

jlmccuan
11-13-2009, 08:23 PM
Seller responded to my question. In part:

The history of this car is verified! Its obvious we are both car people, I suggest you stop by and look at the car in person. Also, its quite obvious that you are not a buyer (You have never bid) so please mind your own buisness!

Guess that pretty much ends my interest in doing business there.

Jim
Often in error, never in doubt
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____1966 Avanti II RQA 0088_______________1963 Avanti R2 63R3152____________Rabid Snail Racing

Bob Caser
11-13-2009, 08:56 PM
Engine code is correct for the time frame of the body tag and serial number. (August,7,1963)

Some twenty years ago I chased a advertised low mileage Avanti through a Hemmings Motornews ad.

Many phone conversations with specific questions led me to board a plane with money in hand only to be greatly disappointed in the final result. Among the grease and obvious high mileage, when I pointed out that the wire loom was not painted at the factory. The sellers response was that in his part of the country (Penn) this was a clean old car.
I was so confident that this car was as represented that I had set up a transportation company to pick it up, and bring it to a national meet for display.

Mint , original, and never touched are terms frequently used but often misquoted.

There are very few never touched Avanti's in the country,and I do not believe this is one of them.




mrbobinc

maxpower1954
11-13-2009, 09:48 PM
I've looked very closely now at the picture, especially the engine room and I THINK this car is represented correctly.

Back in the mid 1990s, when I was restoring my '64 R-1 I examined and photographed three low mile '63-'64 Avantis. One was in Cleveland at the Crawford Auto Museum - the well known last original Avanti with R-3 power and around 6,000 miles. The second was also in Cleveland, an R-1 with just over 4,000. Finally right here in Charlotte was a '63 R-2 with 18,000 miles. The Cleveland cars had indications of being touched up and detailed. The Charlotte Avanti was absolutely original and the mileage was documented by NC State inspection stickers reciepts from 1966 on. The engine compartment condition was very similiar to the pictures of this one. You'd be suprised at the general low-level quality of the paint and finish on engine accessories on any Studebaker. The industrial-type chrome started rusting almost immediately. I would be more suspicious of this car having just 12,000 miles if the engine compartment were in BETTER condition.

The clear turn signal lenses are another possible sign of an original car. All 1964 Avantis were delivered with amber bulbs and clear lenses. After the end of production a number of states changed the law to require amber lenses and clear bulbs and Studebaker furnished the new lenses to any owner on request. It's rare to find the clear lenses on a 1964 Avanti, and this one has them. But I still wouldn't bet my pension on the mileage, without looking at the car in person! Russ Farris


"All glory is fleeting"
George C. Scott as "Patton"

jlmccuan
11-13-2009, 09:57 PM
I guess my confusion on the engine number stems from the August 20, 1963 date when the engine numbers changed to the month/year/date format. How could an engine produced 13 days prior to when the change was implemented have the new number? If they weren't numbered when produced, why included the date in the number system? If they were numbered as produced, it would have the old number system and not the new. And, since the format was letter for month, one digit for year and 2 numbers for date, wouldn't it be H307 for August 7th? Of course, looking at the pic, 3 numbers wouldn't have fit.

Jim
Often in error, never in doubt
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____1966 Avanti II RQA 0088_______________1963 Avanti R2 63R3152____________Rabid Snail Racing

jlmccuan
11-13-2009, 10:13 PM
BTW, I hope this car is original and untouched. The horn is installed the same way as mine, lol.

Jim
Often in error, never in doubt
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____1966 Avanti II RQA 0088_______________1963 Avanti R2 63R3152____________Rabid Snail Racing

Thomas63R2
11-13-2009, 10:17 PM
In the thirty years that I have been playing with old cars, I have looked at a number of "low mileage" cars for myself and for friends. What I have found most often is that it is rarely true. They do exist, but one needs to be very careful for the fraud opportunists. The most common misrepresentation takes advantage of the 5 digit odometers of older cars. Apparently there are too many sellers who choose to ignore the 99.999 miles (or some multiple thereof) that occured before the odometer flipped over to zero and reached it's current reading. It is stupid and simple - and it snags countless buyers of older cars every year. One of my other favorites is the broken odometer: you should always drive a car and look to see if the odometer moves. There are more variations on this theme, you should always be skeptical.

Do not be overly wowed by old clamps and hoses: one of the cars in my fleet is 26 years old and still has the original hoses and clamps - and 147,000 miles!

Thomas

herbpcpa
11-18-2009, 03:47 PM
Less than one day before the end of the auction the Avanti is at $15,200. Fair price?

JDP
11-18-2009, 04:20 PM
quote:Originally posted by herbpcpa

Less than one day before the end of the auction the Avanti is at $15,200. Fair price?


Maybe, if you feel the car is worth the 15K it will cost to get it painted and drivable.

JDP/Maryland

edpjr
11-18-2009, 08:34 PM
Nice looking car, but it's an enigma. The trunk looks like 12K miles, but under the hood looks like 112K miles, and the gauges look somewhere in between. And what's with the funky engine code? Stripping, redoing skim coat bondo, repainting, fixing the front side damage and getting both bumpers rechromed is gonna cost a war pension. Power windows that don't work are not usually a cheap fix either. Expect a motor, carb, trans and wiring that sat idle for 41 years to need some work. Another $15K to make it right sounds quite reasonable.


quote:Originally posted by JDP


quote:Originally posted by herbpcpa

Less than one day before the end of the auction the Avanti is at $15,200. Fair price?


Maybe, if you feel the car is worth the 15K it will cost to get it painted and drivable.

JDP/Maryland



edp/NC
'63 Avanti
'66 Commander

JDP
11-18-2009, 08:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by edpjr

Nice looking car, but it's an enigma. The trunk looks like 12K miles, but under the hood looks like 112K miles, and the gauges look somewhere in between. And what's with the funky engine code? Stripping, redoing skim coat bondo, repainting, fixing the front side damage and getting both bumpers rechromed is gonna cost a war pension. Power windows that don't work are not usually a cheap fix either. Expect a motor, carb, trans and wiring that sat idle for 41 years to need some work. Another $15K to make it right sounds quite reasonable.


quote:Originally posted by JDP


quote:Originally posted by herbpcpa

Less than one day before the end of the auction the Avanti is at $15,200. Fair price?


Maybe, if you feel the car is worth the 15K it will cost to get it painted and drivable.

JDP/Maryland



edp/NC
'63 Avanti
'66 Commander



The engine number is in the correct range for a 64, and it's the new for 64 system. I agree about the engine, the rusty chrome would be expected just do to age, but that's a lot of crud on the front of the engine for a extremely low millage car.

JDP/Maryland

bige
11-19-2009, 11:27 AM
I would have lost a bet on this one! Over $25K! Can't complain about Avanti values anymore at least not 4 speed R2's.

ErnieR

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Island Dragway, Great Meadows, NJ Summer 2009

JDP
11-19-2009, 11:48 AM
quote:Originally posted by bige

I would have lost a bet on this one! Over $25K! Can't complain about Avanti values anymore at least not 4 speed R2's.

ErnieR

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/track-2-1.jpg http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/AvantiR2/4247h2c_20-1.jpg
Island Dragway, Great Meadows, NJ Summer 2009


I usually am accused of high balling Avanti values, but 25K for a non running Avanti needing restoration just blows me away. I know it's purported to be low mileage, but that's 10K over what I'd have bid.

JDP/Maryland

jlmccuan
11-20-2009, 02:37 PM
WOW $25,213.00 !! Maybe we'll get to know the new owner. Anybody know where it's going?

Jim
Often in error, never in doubt
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____1966 Avanti II RQA 0088_______________1963 Avanti R2 63R3152____________Rabid Snail Racing

terence
11-21-2009, 01:35 AM
Gentlemen (and Gentleladies):

So as to address the speculation, R-4970, Line Number 4004, final assembly date of 08.16.1963 is probably the finest remaining original Avanti in existence. It was built for the 1964 Chicago Auto Show and was one of the "special" show cars built in August 1963 numbered between R-4907 t0 R-4907. Including R-4130 ((The first square light - Sherwood Egbert's personal R-3) and R-4892 (The Photo Publicity Car) )there were 17 of them built. Having been built for the show, the car is fully optioned. R-5012 on were all square headlights.

It is indeed original and fully documented beginning with the advertisement cut out of the newspaper by the gentlemen who purchased it, trade in record, title, lien documents, payment schedule, all insurance records, all manuals, etc. It was garaged in 1968 and has not seen the light of day since then.

We (myself and my brother, who bought the car) inspected the car before buying it. Anyone who viewed it, assuming the individual knows and collects Avanti's, would have seen the car for what it was. Granted the knowledge of the history of the machine is a different issue. I suppose the biggest advantage in buying the car at that price was how poorly the photographs in the eBay ad portrayed the quality of the car and the lack of information presented as to what the car was. Once detailed, it could be trailered and will be a 98 point car with no additional expense. Otherwise, the ground up restoration will only need to be directed at gaskets, seals, fluids, rubber, etc.

The gentleman who sold it for the estate did the proper thing, he didn't try to start it or determine what was and what was not. I suppose that might had cost him from a layman's perspective but it increased the value relative to a collector as evidenced in the price paid.

I suppose beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and the price paid for something is relative to that individuals perception. That being said the purchase of this machine was a steal.

As the question was asked, it's new home will be in Illinois, 90 miles from where it's resided since the year it was sold. As I understand once restored it will will go back into storage (though be it under much better conditions and as part of a collection).

I hope this satiates the appetite of the curious relative to this Avanti. As a collector I appreciate the importance of the community knowing the details "what's happening" relative to interesting cars within the community.

As an afterthought, I'm still seeking the "perfect" 1964 Hawk GR R2 (I understand there were only 70 made and 24 known to exist today). But, neither did this Avanti exist until this week.

Lastly, FYI, although I've never participated I have enjoyed this site for quite a while.

jlmccuan
11-21-2009, 06:06 PM
Congrats on your find and welcome as a posting member. Pictures on the cleanup and mechanical "awakening" would be greatly appreciated here.

That puts a 12,000 mile original '64 and a 10,000 mile original '63 R2 cars in the same state. What part of Illinois? I'm deep south at mile 54 on I57. I'd love to get these cars together for some photos. BTW, my daughter who works in Peoria, heard about this car about 3 months ago. Either that or there's another one up there!

Jim
Often in error, never in doubt
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____1966 Avanti II RQA 0088_______________1963 Avanti R2 63R3152____________Rabid Snail Racing

terence
11-21-2009, 09:43 PM
Thanks, Jim. I look forward to becoming part of the group.

My brother lives and the car resides at exit 280, Onarga, Illinois, 60 miles north of Champaign. As he's been busy the last couple of days and I love to research I've been trying to find the best Studebaker sites, of which this is one. I'll let him know it and I'm sure he'll become a regular.

I'll refer him to your post, I'm sure he'd have an interest.

Again, thank you for your welcome, it is appreciated.

Terence

jlmccuan
11-21-2009, 10:31 PM
I can't imagine you haven't run across it yet, but Bob Johnstone's site is a great resource. http://studebaker-info.org/

Jim
Often in error, never in doubt
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____1966 Avanti II RQA 0088_______________1963 Avanti R2 63R3152____________Rabid Snail Racing

studegary
11-22-2009, 09:28 PM
It is probably a very nice car, but I have a problem with the statement; "...is probably the finest remaining original Avanti in existence." It is difficult to make these absolute statements, even qualified with "probably". How about the last Studebaker Avanti (5643, an R3 with 6K miles) that has been properly stored almost since new? I know of other Avantis with 4K to 6K miles on them. A few 1963s were sold new in 1973, then hardly used. I sold an Avanti with 3K miles on it.
This may come across as sour grapes, but I just dislike claims such as these. Yes, I have owned multiple Avantis and worked on many others.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

edpjr
11-23-2009, 10:48 PM
Please tell us more details about original '63 Avantis being sold new 10 years later???? :D[8D][?]




quote:Originally posted by studegary

It is probably a very nice car, but I have a problem with the statement; "...is probably the finest remaining original Avanti in existence." It is difficult to make these absolute statements, even qualified with "probably". How about the last Studebaker Avanti (5643, an R3 with 6K miles) that has been properly stored almost since new? I know of other Avantis with 4K to 6K miles on them. A few 1963s were sold new in 1973, then hardly used. I sold an Avanti with 3K miles on it.
This may come across as sour grapes, but I just dislike claims such as these. Yes, I have owned multiple Avantis and worked on many others.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer


edp/NC
'63 Avanti
'66 Commander

Thomas63R2
11-24-2009, 02:19 AM
Ed, I don't have my Avanti newsletter and magazine collection indexed for trivia - but I do know there was mention in at least one issue of a "new" old Avanti being bought years later. Crazy stuff.

Thomas

studegary
11-24-2009, 07:34 PM
quote:Originally posted by edpjr

Please tell us more details about original '63 Avantis being sold new 10 years later???? :D[8D][?]





edp/NC



Many small Studebaker dealers got one 1963 Avanti in stock and used it for promotions, but never had the type of clientele to buy one. It seems that several of these dealers hung onto the Avantis for awhile. I remember several of these Avantis being sold new when they were about ten years old. I think that it was a combination of ten years and the value of Avantis had started to go back up to the original cost.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

JDP
11-24-2009, 08:05 PM
quote:Originally posted by studegary


quote:Originally posted by edpjr

Please tell us more details about original '63 Avantis being sold new 10 years later???? :D[8D][?]





edp/NC




Many small Studebaker dealers got one 1963 Avanti in stock and used it for promotions, but never had the type of clientele to buy one. It seems that several of these dealers hung onto the Avantis for awhile. I remember several of these Avantis being sold new when they were about ten years old. I think that it was a combination of ten years and the value of Avantis had started to go back up to the original cost.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer



I think the new Avanti sold in the 70's was sold to Elmer Sweppinheizer. (I'm guessing at the spelling)


JDP/Maryland

ptc
11-26-2009, 07:46 PM
quote:Originally posted by bige
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...I'd love to get a few detailed pictures of the engine compartment. I think it could serve as guide for future restorations....

----&gt;&gt;Ernie: I'll see you get a full set of detailed pictures of the engine compartment, both as is and when complete. It will be spring however as I'm leaving for Florida next week.

ptc

Laemmle
11-26-2009, 07:59 PM
Actually it was Tony Patane.




quote:Originally posted by JDP


quote:Originally posted by studegary


quote:Originally posted by edpjr

Please tell us more details about original '63 Avantis being sold new 10 years later???? :D[8D][?]





edp/NC




Many small Studebaker dealers got one 1963 Avanti in stock and used it for promotions, but never had the type of clientele to buy one. It seems that several of these dealers hung onto the Avantis for awhile. I remember several of these Avantis being sold new when they were about ten years old. I think that it was a combination of ten years and the value of Avantis had started to go back up to the original cost.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer



I think the new Avanti sold in the 70's was sold to Elmer Sweppinheizer. (I'm guessing at the spelling)


JDP/Maryland

JDP
11-26-2009, 08:25 PM
quote:Originally posted by terence

Gentlemen (and Gentleladies):



As an afterthought, I'm still seeking the "perfect" 1964 Hawk GR R2 (I understand there were only 70 made and 24 known to exist today). But, neither did this Avanti exist until this week.

Lastly, FYI, although I've never participated I have enjoyed this site for quite a while.


I sold Sid, a 399 point 64 R2 last year and I think the owner would resell it for the right price. Here's Sid

http://www.stude.com/Sid/

JDP/Maryland

studegary
11-27-2009, 01:28 PM
Elmer S. "Sweppy" purchased one of the leftover 1963 Avantis, but he wasn't the only one.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer