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Chris_Dresbach
11-08-2009, 01:27 AM
Found a cool site.

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2007/05/20/sia-flashback-more-stude-studies/

Chris Dresbach

Milaca
11-08-2009, 02:02 AM
I like the Lark prototypes, especially the Lark 100. I'm curious what would have happened had they built the little Lark along with the 4-cylinder engine. Looks like it would have been a serious contender to the foreign economy cars. The article mentions that they found numerous photos of prototype vehicles for that article but only had room to show a few. Where might I find pictures of all the prototype and concept drawings of this era?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3939471781_afa477b3ae_t.jpg
Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.

fred k.
11-08-2009, 02:18 AM
How about the avante wagon hoy cool it would be to take the family to disney land at 160 mph

fred

barnlark
11-08-2009, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by fred k.

How about the avante wagon hoy cool it would be to take the family to disney land at 160 mph

Let's try test dummies first.

StudHawk60
11-08-2009, 08:34 AM
If you could go 160 mph in an Avanti wagon, why bother going to Disneyland?[8D]

autocrat
11-08-2009, 10:25 AM
In reality, Studebaker was fortunate to truncate the 53 body shell into the Lark, let alone have any funds to make a new small car.

showbizkid
11-08-2009, 10:38 AM
Yeah, but if they had... I bet the Lark 100 would have sold well. It greatly resembles Mopar's Valiant/Lancer twins from an overall dimension & styling standpoint, but with a better greenhouse.

Does anyone know if Loewy's Paris Avanti 4-door proto exists?


[img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com
www.studebakersandiego.com

autocrat
11-08-2009, 11:08 AM
I don't disagree that it's attractive, showbizkid, but I doubt that it would have sold in any numbers, certainly not enough to recoup development costs.
Also consider that Exners styling of the Valiant was not looked upon favorably by a sizable proportion of the public at the time.
Remember, the "compact car" craze...as an economy car... only lasted 2 or maybe 3 years. The utterly conventional Falcon outsold Chevrolets Corvair by 3 to 1, but the success of the bucket-seat Monza coupe spurred the sporty compacts into what became the muscle cars of the mid-60's. The Falcon transformed into the Mustang.

GM offered 4 cyl. in both the Chevy II ( the Falcon clone replacing the Corvair) and the "1/2 V8" in the Pontiac Tempest. Neither were big sellers.
Studebaker was fortunate to have all the hardware "on shelf" to offer a V8 'compact" before anyone else.

JRoberts
11-08-2009, 11:11 AM
I am intrigued by what looks like a pickup in the background of the model of the two door in the first page. It looks almost like a late model Dodge truck.

Joe Roberts
'61 R1 Champ
'65 Cruiser
Editor of "The Down Easterner"
Eastern North Carolina Chapter

Swifster
11-08-2009, 11:11 AM
quote:Originally posted by autocrat

In reality, Studebaker was fortunate to truncate the 53 body shell into the Lark, let alone have any funds to make a new small car.

The money was already spent. It would have been far cheaper to introduce that new car than the two face lifts and the Avanti project. And it might have generated enough money for the Scepter.

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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

1964 Studebaker Commander 170-1V, 3-speed w/OD (Cost to Date: $623.67)

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/01-01-05TheStartingPoint.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/07-17-07FrontClipRemoved.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/08-06-29.jpg

mbstude
11-08-2009, 12:24 PM
quote:Originally posted by showbizkid


Does anyone know if Loewy's Paris Avanti 4-door proto exists?



I won't go into details, but yes, I can assure you it's still extant.

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

Chris_Dresbach
11-08-2009, 03:44 PM
Noticed something odd about the 1954/1957 clay hawk in the first link on the page, bottom pic. Look at the grille badge. It's half packard logo, half Studebaker logo! Wonder what the deal with that was.:)[?]

Chris Dresbach

JRoberts
11-08-2009, 08:42 PM
I don't know about anybody else, but to me the first station wagon on page 32, reminds me a lot of the Ford Flex.

Joe Roberts
'61 R1 Champ
'65 Cruiser
Editor of "The Down Easterner"
Eastern North Carolina Chapter

showbizkid
11-08-2009, 10:47 PM
quote:Originally posted by Chris_Dresbach

Noticed something odd about the 1954/1957 clay hawk in the first link on the page, bottom pic. Look at the grille badge. It's half packard logo, half Studebaker logo! Wonder what the deal with that was.:)[?]


They were probably experimenting with a combined S-P logo identity.


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Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com
www.studebakersandiego.com

Chris_Dresbach
11-08-2009, 10:54 PM
Sure would be neat to find one of those prototype grille badges laying around!:)

Chris Dresbach

clonelark
11-09-2009, 04:08 AM
That Hawk grille looks good but was 400 lbs and they couldn't get the hood open. [:p]
http://i34.tinypic.com/2po70cj.jpg

http://i37.tinypic.com/i1wqc9.jpg

56H-Y6
11-09-2009, 07:59 AM
Hi

Special Interest Autos magazine was great in those early years. If you have the chance to acquire issues from 1970 on to early '90's, grab 'em! There is more shear content than has been found in most any collector car magazine since. They covered all makes and models, lots of prototype pictures and articles.

Steve

Avantidon
11-09-2009, 09:31 AM
Some of the cars in those pictures still exsist but have not been seen in years particularly the the three door Avanti.

fstst56
11-09-2009, 10:16 AM
The front fenders on the car in the top right corner
that looks like a Packard Hawk look like the ones for sale
at South Bend this past May. The picture though says the
car is a 1/4 scale clay. The fenders were life size.
Looked alot like an early Datsun 240Z

Johnnywiffer
11-09-2009, 10:27 AM
Ha! To show you how old I am, I still have the original SIA #7. Also #1 for that matter.

John

tutone63
11-09-2009, 12:04 PM
quote:Originally posted by JRoberts

I don't know about anybody else, but to me the first station wagon on page 32, reminds me a lot of the Ford Flex.

Joe Roberts
'61 R1 Champ
'65 Cruiser
Editor of "The Down Easterner"
Eastern North Carolina Chapter



I was going to say something to the "modern" look of that wagon as well. I thought that it had a bit of a resemblance to the new mini.

I will say, those Lark prototypes look strikingly european! (almost to a fault...almost)

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh54/tutone63/63larkside-1.jpghttp://www.thelincolnforum.net/phpbb3/images/smilies/035.gif


1963 Lark, 259 V8, two-tone paint, Twin Traction. Driven often, always noticed!

Gunslinger
11-09-2009, 12:55 PM
Are these the cars you're talking about? I took these photos in 1986.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/Boris_Badenov/cars/prototype%20cars/img069.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/Boris_Badenov/cars/prototype%20cars/img070.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/Boris_Badenov/cars/prototype%20cars/img071.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/Boris_Badenov/cars/prototype%20cars/img072.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/Boris_Badenov/cars/prototype%20cars/img073.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/Boris_Badenov/cars/prototype%20cars/img074.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/Boris_Badenov/cars/prototype%20cars/img075.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii281/Boris_Badenov/cars/prototype%20cars/img076.jpg




Poet...Mystic...Soldier of Fortune. As always...self-absorbed, adversarial, cocky and in general a malcontent.

Andy R.
11-09-2009, 01:17 PM
Thanks, Chris, for this really great find!
Very cool posts all along this thread.
I've never been a fan of the Avanti 4-door, but that wagon RULES!
Same for that Lark 100 wagon...IF they could structurally have kept those thin pillars.[:p]

Andy
62 GT

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3160/3069855932_de3d120955_t.jpg

tutone63
11-09-2009, 01:35 PM
I LOVE those last two!! Especially the Packard dream car!

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh54/tutone63/63larkside-1.jpghttp://www.thelincolnforum.net/phpbb3/images/smilies/035.gif


1963 Lark, 259 V8, two-tone paint, Twin Traction. Driven often, always noticed!

showbizkid
11-09-2009, 04:01 PM
I've been fascinated by the Predictor since I first saw it in a factory photo in high school. I finally got to see it in person at the SNM last year:

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q26/clarknovak/2008%20trip%20to%20South%20Bend/DSCN1649.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q26/clarknovak/2008%20trip%20to%20South%20Bend/DSCN1648.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q26/clarknovak/2008%20trip%20to%20South%20Bend/DSCN1652.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q26/clarknovak/2008%20trip%20to%20South%20Bend/DSCN1650.jpg

Wish I could have gotten some better angles or shots of the interior... With the exception of the top treatment, it was a very clean design that could have been interesting in production. And the pearl paint is amazing [:p]


[img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com
www.studebakersandiego.com

TedsHawk
11-09-2009, 04:26 PM
picked these up some time back, have one from Motor Trend June 1962
http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/mm432/nbptted/63studedraw.jpg
this other one im not sure where it came from.
http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/mm432/nbptted/wk3941.jpg
anyone know about it? the proposed "fiberglass " one looks like it would have been a new Hawk

1957 Golden Hawk
"Studebaker? they dont make them anymore"