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okc63avanti
10-24-2009, 06:56 PM
When painting a car how do you get a metallic paint effect? Can a metallic effect (similar to Avanti Maroon) be done with any base color? Also in the case of modern cars like Dodge who likes to use Crystal Pearl paints is it the paint or the clear coat that creates this effect? Again can any base color be used to still give you the crystal pearl effect?

I know I should just go to an automotive paint store and ask these questions but I thought some of you may know and have some constructive comments.

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jclary
10-24-2009, 07:09 PM
Well...I have painted cars, sold painting systems, and conducted painting classes. However, it has been several years now since I have done a complete car.I would recommend going to a good supplier and "ask questions.":) Pick up any current publications available. Also, if you have a friendly body shop in your area that does more than fender bender repairs, take them some donuts and pick their brains. Paint manufacturers are always tweaking their products and getting current on the latest products is always a good idea.

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Milaca
10-24-2009, 07:45 PM
Pearl is something that is mixed into the base color, just as metallic particles are mixed into a base color and the clear top coat gives the base coat shine. If I misunderstood your question, I apologize.

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okc63avanti
10-24-2009, 08:53 PM
quote:Originally posted by Milaca

Pearl is something that is mixed into the base color, just as metallic particles are mixed into a base color and the clear top coat gives the base coat shine. If I misunderstood your question, I apologize.

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Yes that helps, I was wondering if the metallic flakes or pearl was in the base color or in the clear coat. If its in the base I guess it could be added to about any color if the paint supplier is good at it.

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vintageblueoval
10-25-2009, 11:50 PM
quote:
Yes that helps, I was wondering if the metallic flakes or pearl was in the base color or in the clear coat. If its in the base I guess it could be added to about any color if the paint supplier is good at it.



You've got it. Pearls and metallics of any color can be added to basecoats of any color for any sort of custom look you can imagine. I recently had a customer who wanted black basecoat with yellow metallic on his motorcycle tank. Sounded strange to me, but after some experimentation, I mixed up a bit and it was really pretty cool. Nearly completely black in the shade but that yellow really popped in the sunlight.

Clear coat though is always exactly that, clear. All color, pearl and metallics will be part of the basecoat. Occasionally there are colors (mostly pearls) that require 2 or 3 steps of basecoat to get the desired effect. For example, GM has a current color called White Diamond Pearl. It goes on with one stage of solid white, then one stage of the white pearl blend, then clear.

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buddymander
10-26-2009, 08:03 AM
You can't add metallic to any color. Metallic paints have less pigmentation to allow the metallic to show thru. If you add metallic to a color with a lot of pigmentation, it won't even show as metallic, but as a solid. For this reason, a solid color will cover better than a metallic.

Gunslinger
10-26-2009, 09:46 AM
I don't know about metallics, but pearlescent paints are called three stage paints...base coat, pearl coat and clear coat. My '70 Avanti has a 3-stage pearl paint job. It definitely takes more time and effort to do one and it definitely costs more.




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