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Bordeaux Daytona
10-15-2009, 10:35 PM
Here's some pictures I took back in 2005 of the final assembly buildings during the spring swap.
Some friends and I were fortunate to get an unofficial tour. Little did we know if would be the last time. [V]
We didn't get to see the stamping plant. :(
John


http://s288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/64daytona/Final%20Assembly%20Plant%202005/


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Chris_Dresbach
10-15-2009, 10:44 PM
Sweet!:) Gese you are lucky! I always wanted to see those buildings, but then the mayor thought "Ignition Park" aka "No Spark Park" was the answer.[V] That deserves more:[V][V][V][V][V][V][V]
If you have never seen the foundry, I strongly advise you to do so. I got to take a tour a couple months ago and just loved it. All the furnaces are still intact and rusting.[V] Im going back with a friend sometime soon. If you are in the area and meet us a t the foundry, you are welcome to join us. Now I need to ask: "Did ya steel a brick?!";) lol

Chris Dresbach

Bordeaux Daytona
10-15-2009, 10:48 PM
I didn't grab a brick, I wanted to grab one of the wooden floor blocks but I thought that someone might still use the place. I did get a brick on ebay after the place was torn down though.
Yeah, I'd love to see the foundry, Too bad I missed out on the machine shop.
thanks!
John

Milaca
10-15-2009, 11:03 PM
I like the pictures. Very impressive buildings, especially on the inside.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3939471781_afa477b3ae_t.jpg
Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.

8E45E
10-15-2009, 11:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by Chris_Dresbach
If you are in the area and meet us a t the foundry, you are welcome to join us. Now I need to ask: "Did ya steel a brick?!";) lol


Next time you go there, take an empty jar of some sort and fill it with some of that casting sand that is still in the back area there.

Craig

Lark Hunter
10-15-2009, 11:17 PM
John,
Those pics are awesome! Please share more if you have them.:) And Chris, we expect that you'll take your camera when you revisit the foundry, so that you can share with those of us that are too far away to check it out!;) LH

"I'm allergic to small block Chevys."

Chris_Dresbach
10-15-2009, 11:37 PM
When I went the first time I got some pics, but next time will be even better. We plan on visiting the tunnels, upstairs, and the most important: blasting furnaces. I used a digital camera, Ill see if I can post them. Those casting rooms are just huge. Just unbelieveable! And most of it lust sits empty.[V] My boss/race sponser/best friend and I know the owner/owner of Underground Pipe and Valve and thats how we got an "in." I will post when we go, but if you will be in the South Bend area, you are more than welcome to join us. I can get you some sand and/or bricks too if you cant make it. Just tell me where to send it! Ya know what?... If I get enough response of people that defionately WILL be there and not just "maybes", I will get ahold of the proving grounds, #84, #92, national museum, and Administration and see how many we could get in to. That is a big "IF", but if I can, weel see how many places we could visit. The foundry is for shure. My boss, dan, and I are going regardless, but heres a last chance plant tour if anybody wants to go. I really dont know, yet. Foundry is set in stone like I said. Only other thing to get you an "in" is I hope to see you in your Studebaker!:) I would mine, but I dont own one!:( (And the Lawn-Lark isnt street legal...)
Ok, something to think about...

Chris Dresbach

Milaca
10-15-2009, 11:47 PM
Chris, any idea as to when that building is to be demolished? Could you ask the owner of that pipe company if he knows? If it will be there come the end of May, I will drive my Hawk there. Otherwise, I wont drive it during the winter.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3939471781_afa477b3ae_t.jpg
Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.

fred k.
10-15-2009, 11:57 PM
Justimangine the hustle and noise that went on thair and all the familys that depended on that place, What a big deal that place was .

fred

Chris_Dresbach
10-16-2009, 12:09 AM
quote:Originally posted by Milaca

Chris, any idea as to when that building is to be demolished? Could you ask the owner of that pipe company if he knows? If it will be there come the end of May, I will drive my Hawk there. Otherwise, I wont drive it during the winter.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3939471781_afa477b3ae_t.jpg
Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.


They want to tear it down next summer. "UPV" got a new lot on the oliver side of things and just broke ground on the new building the other day. It will be here a while, so will the rest of them. I just dont know how long Don (the owner) will be in there. Quite some time I would guess, as the new building still has to be built, they have to move, and the city isnt exactly fast either. They were close to 6 months late to demolish the machine shop. I can autuall go there any time and say to don: "Got some people here who want to see the foundry" and he will send a worker with us to tour. So 'cmon down! Youre the next contestant on tour that ababdoned building!!![:p] LOL. [?][?][?]

Chris Dresbach

Milaca
10-16-2009, 12:19 AM
Well, I hope to come the end of May for the swap meet and see that building. If you dont have a camera by then, I'll give you a Kodak digital that I got when I signed up for high-speed internet. It only has a few minutes of use (I have another camera that I use instead).

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3939471781_afa477b3ae_t.jpg
Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.

Lark Hunter
10-16-2009, 12:20 AM
I've heard that there are (were) tunnels under some of those buildings. What were those used for?
Wish I could get out that way, but it won't be happening for awhile. I will certainly compensate you for an extra brick, though.:) LH

"I'm allergic to small block Chevys."

Chris_Dresbach
10-16-2009, 12:32 AM
quote:Originally posted by fred k.

Justimangine the hustle and noise that went on thair and all the familys that depended on that place, What a big deal that place was .

fred


That same thought crossed my mind when I was there the first time. I stood under one of the four blasting furnaces and thought about how hot and dangerous it would be to stand where I was standing. I went to a small supervisor office in the middle of the floor and thought about what that supervisor could have seen from that spot. I saw the train loading dock and big wooden doors and imagined all the raw metal that passed through those doors. I saw the sand pits still full of sand and thought about the workers who broke their backs digging in it, and all the metal cast in it. I looked across the massave casting rooms and imagined all the workers whos only trade was foundry work. And how they worked hard and won a war, built cars, supported their family. I looked up and noticed that all of Studebakers origional PA system and lights were still mounted to the cielings and imagined the heart break those PA speakers brought to those workers in the casting rooms on December 9th, 1963 at 3:30pm when administration announced over the whole plant that they would be closeing all production, and that all those workers no longer had jobs. Imagine the heart break! I could imagine all of the workers making their way out, some upstairs to the locker rooms to change from a busy days work, and leaving their job for the last time. And from that dredful day, today, the once busy Studebaker foundry, the one capable of pouring 400 tons of steel a day, sits cold, empty, silent. To this day, those workers who made their way out of the plant floor and to the locker rooms still leave a vague mark. One forgot his glasses, another left his boots. Still others leave a different kind of mark, the deafining silence. The once white hot and loud Studebaker blasting furnaces, cold and silent.
~The Studebaker Foundry

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-16-2009, 12:33 AM
Dang, I should become a writer![:p] LOL

Chris Dresbach

silverhawk
10-16-2009, 12:43 AM
Well said Chris!

Dylan Wills

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr200/1961lark/My%201961%20studebaker%20lark/Tobeputindylansfile100.jpg
'61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon

silverhawk
10-16-2009, 01:04 AM
Hey Chris, could you send me a email? For some reason I can't send you one, pretty wierd. Got a question for ya.

Dylan Wills

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr200/1961lark/My%201961%20studebaker%20lark/Tobeputindylansfile100.jpg
'61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon

8E45E
10-16-2009, 01:13 AM
Devon was my contact at the Foundry when I visited it in 07.

Here's the photos I took of it:

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12137&SearchTerms=track

Craig

Chris_Dresbach
10-16-2009, 01:29 AM
quote:Originally posted by silverhawk

Hey Chris, could you send me a email? For some reason I can't send you one, pretty wierd. Got a question for ya.

Dylan Wills

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr200/1961lark/My%201961%20studebaker%20lark/Tobeputindylansfile100.jpg
'61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon


I would, but I wont let me send you one! Whats your regular Email address?

Chris Dresbach

silverhawk
10-16-2009, 08:37 AM
Weird. Here it is: slw1961@verizon.net

Dylan Wills

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr200/1961lark/My%201961%20studebaker%20lark/Tobeputindylansfile100.jpg
'61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon

Milaca
10-16-2009, 11:23 AM
Turns out that Chris doesnt need a camera, he can paint a picture with his words. :) As for the foundry closing on December 9th, I think they continued into 1964 as they supplied engines for the Canadian cars for the 1964 model year. They may have made parts for military trucks as well until selling the government contract to Kaiser. Somebody please correct me if i am wrong.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3939471781_afa477b3ae_t.jpg
Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.

Chris_Dresbach
10-16-2009, 03:01 PM
No, thats called being up way too late last night... (And found out my english teacher is in to studes, so cant be too careful;););)) ya, seeing it in person is alot more fun though!:)

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-16-2009, 03:08 PM
quote:Originally posted by Milaca

Turns out that Chris doesnt need a camera, he can paint a picture with his words. :) As for the foundry closing on December 9th, I think they continued into 1964 as they supplied engines for the Canadian cars for the 1964 model year. They may have made parts for military trucks as well until selling the government contract to Kaiser. Somebody please correct me if i am wrong.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3939471781_afa477b3ae_t.jpg
Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.


yes, it did. A little known fact about South Bend is that it didnt entirely quit until 1966, just extremely limited production. If you really want to stretch it out, South Bend didnt fully close until around 1971, and I dont mean Avanti 2. Studebaker still employed 12 guys to make shure nobody came and disrupted the old plant too much, my guess is that they did that with hopes of a shot in the dark of reopening the plant for Studebaker. They also were sort of an early sasco too, shipping and selling parts. And if you reaally want to stretch it out even farther, Studebaker never went out of business, in the form of sasco, and Ed Reynolds is currently the "President of the Studebaker Corporation."[8D]

Chris Dresbach

G T Joe
10-16-2009, 03:34 PM
I went to South Bend one year, and it was the first year that the swap meet was at the county fairgrounds, and some vendor had a video of all the factory buildings after they shut down I would say it was around 72 or 73 I wanted to purchase one ,but he was already sold out! ,does anyone have that video or know what I am talking about?? thanks Joe

Joseph Kastellec

Bordeaux Daytona
10-16-2009, 06:32 PM
Here's a few more I took from Sasco's rear parking lot, I figured this was as close as my 64 Daytona was going to get to be reborn!
I was told one of the doors is where it came out of, I'm pretty sure I lined it up with the right one.
In the first picture I originally posted last night there is a hole in the wall that someone made to get inside, probably homeless people. These new pictures are in that area where that hole was made.
John

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/64daytona/Final%20Assembly%20Plant%202005/FridayOctober162009.jpg

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/64daytona/Final%20Assembly%20Plant%202005/FridayOctober1620093.jpg

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/64daytona/Final%20Assembly%20Plant%202005/FridayOctober1620092.jpg

Chris_Dresbach
10-16-2009, 06:39 PM
Really a shame they tore those buildings down. A few million -hahaha- dollars and it could have been used as the new stude museum![:p]

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-16-2009, 06:47 PM
quote:Originally posted by silverhawk

Hey Chris, could you send me a email? For some reason I can't send you one, pretty wierd. Got a question for ya.

Dylan Wills

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr200/1961lark/My%201961%20studebaker%20lark/Tobeputindylansfile100.jpg
'61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon


I just sent you an Email. Let me know if you get it. If not, send me one at cdresbach@live.com

Chris Dresbach

8E45E
10-16-2009, 08:29 PM
quote:Originally posted by Chris_Dresbach

Really a shame they tore those buildings down. A few million -hahaha- dollars and it could have been used as the new stude museum!


Given the sheer size of that structure, they would have made great loft-style apartments. Unfortunately, South Bend doesn't have the population to support such a development, although it is fun to think what COULD have developed. If I were a developer, I would have removed the second floor and the top floor to create two levels with 16 foot ceilings in most of it, and replaced the wood flooring with new blocks arranged exactly as the old oil soaked ones were, but planed smooth. The huge unloading area would become a 'people mall' with some retail on the main level, etc. Transformation of old warehouse buildings into lofts and retail centres have worked well in other cities, but only where the population is over half a million and land for inner-city residential use is scarce.

Craig

Milaca
10-16-2009, 09:04 PM
As much as I like those old buildings, it likely would have cost far more to rejuvenate them than to build new. Building #92 looks like brand new compared to these. :)

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Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.

Chris_Dresbach
10-16-2009, 10:13 PM
quote:Originally posted by 8E45E


quote:Originally posted by Chris_Dresbach

Really a shame they tore those buildings down. A few million -hahaha- dollars and it could have been used as the new stude museum!


Given the sheer size of that structure, they would have made great loft-style apartments. Unfortunately, South Bend doesn't have the population to support such a development, although it is fun to think what COULD have developed. If I were a developer, I would have removed the second floor and the top floor to create two levels with 16 foot ceilings in most of it, and replaced the wood flooring with new blocks arranged exactly as the old oil soaked ones were, but planed smooth. The huge unloading area would become a 'people mall' with some retail on the main level, etc. Transformation of old warehouse buildings into lofts and retail centres have worked well in other cities, but only where the population is over half a million and land for inner-city residential use is scarce.

Craig


Remember, we are talking about South Bend here! Our mayor likes parking lots!

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-16-2009, 10:14 PM
quote:Originally posted by Milaca

As much as I like those old buildings, it likely would have cost far more to rejuvenate them than to build new. Building #92 looks like brand new compared to these. :)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3939471781_afa477b3ae_t.jpg
Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.


I know! That reminds me, gotta get that petition to the city.

Chris Dresbach

8E45E
10-16-2009, 10:14 PM
quote:Originally posted by Chris_Dresbach

Remember, we are talking about South Bend here! Our mayor likes parking lots!


Unpaved, with WEEDS, right??[xx(]

Craig

mbstude
10-16-2009, 10:23 PM
Not everyone is a Studebaker history buff. To some, they're nothing but old, dilapidated factory buildings. I guess after 40+ years, some South Bend residents are tired of looking at them. Stude history or not, I can't blame them. The town I live in has several old empty factory buildings. Not really anything attractive, IMO.

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

Chris_Dresbach
10-16-2009, 10:31 PM
quote:Originally posted by mbstude

Not everyone is a Studebaker history buff. To some, they're nothing but old, dilapidated factory buildings. I guess after 40+ years, some South Bend residents are tired of looking at them. Stude history or not, I can't blame them. The town I live in has several old empty factory buildings. Not really anything attractive, IMO.

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA




Like they say when they restore old cars: "Dont crush 'em, restore 'em!" That and South Bend just plain dosent like factorys or anything to do with Studebaker unless it's the museum. Dont know why.

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-16-2009, 10:33 PM
quote:Originally posted by 8E45E


quote:Originally posted by Chris_Dresbach

Remember, we are talking about South Bend here! Our mayor likes parking lots!


Unpaved, with WEEDS, right??[xx(]

Craig


Oh, yeah. The mayor thought he would do us Studebaker guys a favor. Since it's still 1852 he figured our horses pulling our Studebaker wagons needed a parking lot. LOL[xx(]

Chris Dresbach

mbstude
10-16-2009, 10:42 PM
The museum is very nice, and is a great memorial to what Studebaker was in South Bend. Keeping all the huge buildings, just seems like a bit much.

Not far from here is an old warehouse where life jackets were made. I wonder if when they tear it down, if a group of life jacket historians will try to save it. [:o)][:o)][:o)]

These buildings have been destined to come down for decades. Just sayin..

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

Chris_Dresbach
10-16-2009, 11:10 PM
Oh yeah, I love the museum. I think it's cool that they modeled it after the plant in a way. As for the origional plant, I am just that stubborn that I would rather see them fall in on them selves than be demolished![^] Shoot, the stamping plant was only unoccupied for seven years since Studebaker used it to its demolition. Remember "Allied Stamping" I think it was called? Alot of these buildings just needed some repair work. The reason why #92, #84, and administration are in good condition is because somebody allways used them, up to today! (The foundry is another story...):)

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-16-2009, 11:19 PM
quote:Originally posted by Lark Hunter

I've heard that there are (were) tunnels under some of those buildings. What were those used for?
Wish I could get out that way, but it won't be happening for awhile. I will certainly compensate you for an extra brick, though.:) LH

"I'm allergic to small block Chevys."


You heard correctly. The plant was all interconnected. We were going to go down into them, but couldnt find the door. 15 minutes later, we found the door! Went down. We got about 30' and hit some water, and it was dark as a cave! We plan on venturing down into them farther on our next visit, with high boots and flash lights. The tunnels were used for fast movement around the plant. If an engine needed to go directly to the machine shop from the foundry, this is the route it took. See waht I mean?

Chris Dresbach

R2Andrea
10-17-2009, 12:05 AM
The tunnels were used for utility purposes. They carried steam lines and electrical lines to and from the power plant. They weren't used for hauling materials from place to place. In fact, they aren't big enough to have driven a Cushman cart through.

R2Andy

Milaca
10-17-2009, 12:16 AM
Sounds like a good place to stay out of. This may be one of the reasons for demolishing some of the older buildings being that they pose a safety hazard. I would hope that they filled in the tunnels underneath the demolished buildings to keep peeps out.

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Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.

Chris_Dresbach
10-17-2009, 12:39 AM
Shhhhh..... You didnt hear that....[:p]
Actually no. The tunnels are still open. I found a site with a pic. Ill find it.

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-17-2009, 12:40 AM
quote:Originally posted by R2Andy

The tunnels were used for utility purposes. They carried steam lines and electrical lines to and from the power plant. They weren't used for hauling materials from place to place. In fact, they aren't big enough to have driven a Cushman cart through.

R2Andy


Hmn, my boss dosent know what hes talking about then.

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-17-2009, 01:12 AM
Well, I found some really good pics of the foundry and one of the tunnels.
http://www.uer.ca/forum_showthread.asp?fid=3&threadid=72789

I would also venture to assume that when they tore down the machine shop and stamping plant, the tunnels were dug up too. The power house was on the other side of sample from the foundry, so I doubt they even cross the road anymore. Any tunnels from the foundy, and probably #92 also, just dead end in the field now. That pic was post demolition also, so I know they still exist. They cant go too far, being that every part of that field has been dug up atleast once!

Chris Dresbach

Bordeaux Daytona
10-17-2009, 03:59 PM
quote:Originally posted by Chris_Dresbach

Well, I found some really good pics of the foundry and one of the tunnels. Unfortunately it wont let me put it here as a link. So heres where to go. Go to google. Put in "Studebaker Foundry" and hit enter. A site will come up called "Infiltration", it should be the 3rd one down. It has some really good pics.

I would also venture to assume that when they tore down the machine shop and stamping plant, the tunnels were dug up too. The power house was on the other side of sample from the foundry, so I doubt they even cross the road anymore. Any tunnels from the foundy, and probably #92 also, just dead end in the field now. That pic was post demolition also, so I know they still exist. They cant go too far, being that every part of that field has been dug up atleast once!

Chris Dresbach


Neat pictures!
I remember reading here about some homeless scrap guy that killed a couple other homeless scrap guys and hid their bodies in one of those tunnels. I thought it was after they had tore the final assembly buildings.

story here...
http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2007/jan/14/news/chi-0701140375jan14

Nolen, Lawson and Talboom were known to hunt scrap in a system of tunnels under the abandoned Studebaker Corp. auto plant complex. It was here that officers started searching for Nolen on Tuesday.
On Friday, police found Talboom and Coates in an 8-foot-square concrete vault near Coveleski Stadium. All four bodies were found positioned directly beneath the manhole lids in the concrete, bathroom-sized vaults, Trent said.

StudHawk60
10-17-2009, 05:47 PM
Still think it's a good idea to wander around these buildings? [xx(] Wonder how many bodies there were never discovered?[xx(]

StudeRich
10-17-2009, 06:05 PM
Those are amazing photos, I think I see the remains of Sherwood Egbert's 1963? plantwide clean-up and paint up Campaign, all of those support posts, all still beautifully painted WHITE with each room (section) (function) color coded with a Gold, Turquoise, Red, Blue etc. color stripe! Awesome!

StudeRich

Milaca
10-17-2009, 06:16 PM
Awesome find Chris, good job! However, I dont think its a good idea to venture into the tunnels. The building and tunnels would be an excellent place to film a spooky Halloween movie though...

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Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.

Chris_Dresbach
10-17-2009, 09:26 PM
quote:Originally posted by Bordeaux Daytona


quote:Originally posted by Chris_Dresbach

Well, I found some really good pics of the foundry and one of the tunnels. Unfortunately it wont let me put it here as a link. So heres where to go. Go to google. Put in "Studebaker Foundry" and hit enter. A site will come up called "Infiltration", it should be the 3rd one down. It has some really good pics.

I would also venture to assume that when they tore down the machine shop and stamping plant, the tunnels were dug up too. The power house was on the other side of sample from the foundry, so I doubt they even cross the road anymore. Any tunnels from the foundy, and probably #92 also, just dead end in the field now. That pic was post demolition also, so I know they still exist. They cant go too far, being that every part of that field has been dug up atleast once!

Chris Dresbach


Neat pictures!
I remember reading here about some homeless scrap guy that killed a couple other homeless scrap guys and hid their bodies in one of those tunnels. I thought it was after they had tore the final assembly buildings.

story here...
http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2007/jan/14/news/chi-0701140375jan14

Nolen, Lawson and Talboom were known to hunt scrap in a system of tunnels under the abandoned Studebaker Corp. auto plant complex. It was here that officers started searching for Nolen on Tuesday.
On Friday, police found Talboom and Coates in an 8-foot-square concrete vault near Coveleski Stadium. All four bodies were found positioned directly beneath the manhole lids in the concrete, bathroom-sized vaults, Trent said.


Oh, man. No need to post a link with that. Every South Bender into Studebakers over five years old remembers that horror story. They interviewed the killer and another hobo after the case was all wrapped up: It happoned in main assembly. I remember they called it "The Fort." The news said that the argument was over a space heater and they couldnt come to an agreement. Then you know the rest of the story, except it wasnt the tunnels, it was the regular sewer. Thats where they get "Manhole murderers." Really creepy stuff.

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-17-2009, 09:28 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

Those are amazing photos, I think I see the remains of Sherwood Egbert's 1963? plantwide clean-up and paint up Campaign, all of those support posts, all still beautifully painted WHITE with each room (section) (function) color coded with a Gold, Turquoise, Red, Blue etc. color stripe! Awesome!

StudeRich


Look up at the stamping plant, it really showed the paint project!

Chris Dresbach

mbstude
10-17-2009, 09:28 PM
I don't think I'd be caught dead in any of those tunnels. [:o)]

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

Chris_Dresbach
10-17-2009, 09:33 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudHawk60

Still think it's a good idea to wander around these buildings? [xx(] Wonder how many bodies there were never discovered?[xx(]


None, believe it or not, all of the remaning building have had "Other uses" since Studebaker moved out. The one with the longest term of being ababdoned was the stamping plant, 7 years after allied stamping. Foundry still has underground pipe and valve, #92 ,duh, SASCO, #84 still has some activity as a warehouse and a business called "Thermo lite" is in there, administration was the school thing.

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-17-2009, 09:37 PM
quote:Originally posted by Milaca

Awesome find Chris, good job! However, I dont think its a good idea to venture into the tunnels. The building and tunnels would be an excellent place to film a spooky Halloween movie though...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3939471781_afa477b3ae_t.jpg
Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.


Put your mind in the foundry: "You make your way around the blasting furnaces and see a mist out of the tunnel door and realize that it's midnight. You turn around and a dark gostly figure emerges from the mist and....":) Hay, the canada plant was allmost a film studio for a while.;)

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-17-2009, 11:00 PM
Was messing around on google images again...
Here are some links that have some great pics of the stamping plant.:)

http://www.abandonedbutnotforgotten.com/studebaker_plant.htm

and...

http://www.opacity.us/site63_studebaker_stamping_plant.htm#gallery107

Really cool sites.[8D]

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-17-2009, 11:08 PM
Forgot one:

http://www.monon.monon.org/sobend/studeplant.html



Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-18-2009, 12:57 AM
~Proving once again that I have WAY too mutch time on my hands...:)

Chris Dresbach

StudHawk60
10-18-2009, 06:44 AM
quote:Originally posted by Chris_Dresbach


quote:Originally posted by StudHawk60

Still think it's a good idea to wander around these buildings? [xx(] Wonder how many bodies there were never discovered?[xx(]


None, believe it or not, all of the remaning building have had "Other uses" since Studebaker moved out. The one with the longest term of being ababdoned was the stamping plant, 7 years after allied stamping. Foundry still has underground pipe and valve, #92 ,duh, SASCO, #84 still has some activity as a warehouse and a business called "Thermo lite" is in there, administration was the school thing.

Chris Dresbach


We used to run around inside those buildings as kids back in the 70's. Even though there were other businesses there, they only took up a fraction of floor space. There were a lot of empty areas where we messed around. I only wish I had the presence of mind to grab some of the cool stuff laying around.:(

Chris_Dresbach
10-18-2009, 10:30 AM
quote:Originally posted by StudHawk60


quote:Originally posted by Chris_Dresbach


quote:Originally posted by StudHawk60

Still think it's a good idea to wander around these buildings? [xx(] Wonder how many bodies there were never discovered?[xx(]


None, believe it or not, all of the remaning building have had "Other uses" since Studebaker moved out. The one with the longest term of being ababdoned was the stamping plant, 7 years after allied stamping. Foundry still has underground pipe and valve, #92 ,duh, SASCO, #84 still has some activity as a warehouse and a business called "Thermo lite" is in there, administration was the school thing.

Chris Dresbach


We used to run around inside those buildings as kids back in the 70's. Even though there were other businesses there, they only took up a fraction of floor space. There were a lot of empty areas where we messed around. I only wish I had the presence of mind to grab some of the cool stuff laying around.:(


Ya, I usually like to have a brick and piece of junk from each building, only never got most of them. (anybody have part of the stamping plant???) Still tons of junk laying around the foundry, anything you would want from it?

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-18-2009, 12:27 PM
Talked to dan today, will be going to the foundry soon.:D
Also got talking about the tunnels from the power plant to the machine shop that crossed the road. I guess maybe around 10 years ago, somebody found the tunnel that crossed sample street, the hard way, while driving...[:0] Yup, just going along and nose dived into the pavement. He was ok, car wasnt. Needless to say, the tunnels that crossed the road part have been removed, but you can still tell the site of the tunnels that crossed the road. Made it a point to check today. Found it, my guess was exact, just never noticed it before. A big bump now covers the site. I wonder if any still go to #92?[?]

Chris Dresbach

Mr Speed 53
10-18-2009, 06:25 PM
I remember that being a really scarry/neat feeling in that building.We were pre-warned that it is easy to get lost in there and we came out almost in the same area we went in.I thought that really wild after walking miles and up and down different floors and going thru the different size rooms.Glad we did it! Ed

StudeMichael
10-18-2009, 06:32 PM
My favorite:

http://www.opacity.us/site63_studebaker_stamping_plant.htm

Chris_Dresbach
10-18-2009, 10:58 PM
Yeah, I found that site by accident. It seems that the stamping plant was the building(s) most often broken in to and explored. I never was able to get in there, mainly because I didnt have a connection with a reson to go inside.

Hay, I have a question that Im shocked I dont know the answer to.[:p]
Does anybody know what happoned to the big stamping presses when the plant was demolished? Scrap? Sold? Anybody know? Just currious.:)



Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-18-2009, 11:27 PM
WANTED: Pics of the foundry INTERIOR when it was IN USE by STUDEBAKER so I can compare it to whats left inside now. Anybody have any? Thanks!:)

Chris Dresbach

8E45E
10-19-2009, 08:14 AM
quote:Originally posted by Chris_Dresbach

WANTED: Pics of the foundry INTERIOR when it was IN USE by STUDEBAKER so I can compare it to whats left inside now. Anybody have any?


The September 16, 1946 LIFE magazine includes some foundry photos including this one. I included it with the photos of the foundry I posted on another thread.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1156/1013321671_b9980fee29_b.jpg

Craig

R2Andrea
10-19-2009, 12:14 PM
The huge Clearing presses in the Heavy Stamping rooms were cut up for scrap. the building was torn down around them and cleared away, then they were scrapped. I really wanted to get one of the Clearing name plates from the top but they had guards there who wouldn't take kindly to my efforts. At a story and a half tall I couldn't just walk up to one and pry it off either. Most of the smaller presses and ancillary equipment were auctioned off after Tecumseh Products folded.
As for what's left in the Foundry, the coupolas (5 of the 6) and the large vertical core ovens are about the only identifiable pieces of equipment left. The overhead cranes, cleaning equipment, molding equipment, sand handling equipment etc. was sold off/scrapped after Great Lakes Foundry (Cummins)left.

R2Andy

JRoberts
10-19-2009, 12:35 PM
quote:Originally posted by Bordeaux Daytona

Here's some pictures I took back in 2005 of the final assembly buildings during the spring swap.
Some friends and I were fortunate to get an unofficial tour. Little did we know if would be the last time. [V]
We didn't get to see the stamping plant. :(
John




Interesting pics. Rather spooky, maybe ghostly looking.

Joe Roberts
'61 R1 Champ
'65 Cruiser
Editor of "The Down Easterner"
Eastern North Carolina Chapter

StudeMichael
10-19-2009, 01:53 PM
Here you go Chris:

http://www.studebaker-info.org/Factory/factfoundry0309/sdcforum12137.html

Chris_Dresbach
10-19-2009, 04:09 PM
quote:Originally posted by R2Andy

The huge Clearing presses in the Heavy Stamping rooms were cut up for scrap. the building was torn down around them and cleared away, then they were scrapped. I really wanted to get one of the Clearing name plates from the top but they had guards there who wouldn't take kindly to my efforts. At a story and a half tall I couldn't just walk up to one and pry it off either. Most of the smaller presses and ancillary equipment were auctioned off after Tecumseh Products folded.
As for what's left in the Foundry, the coupolas (5 of the 6) and the large vertical core ovens are about the only identifiable pieces of equipment left. The overhead cranes, cleaning equipment, molding equipment, sand handling equipment etc. was sold off/scrapped after Great Lakes Foundry (Cummins)left.

R2Andy


Ya, Ive been in the foundry since then and have seen them up close, sorta. I will be going back and getting some better pics of them. The sand pits are still there. 2 full, 1 empty. Tunnels. The up stairs and tunnels are partially the main reason we are going back to the place. And to gather some sand. Too bad they scrapped the stamping presses. Probably could have still worked with a few service calls and a few 55 gallon drums of blaster! What a shame.

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-19-2009, 05:36 PM
Did the foundry have a "tool crib?" If so, where?

Chris Dresbach

Gordy911
10-19-2009, 06:14 PM
I can just imagine what they will find in the ground water and elsewhere for a superfund cleanup.

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Chris_Dresbach
10-20-2009, 06:53 PM
Should have seen the stamping plant, machine shop, and part of plant 8 demolition. Just huge tanks of oil burried. No apperant reason either!

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-20-2009, 09:21 PM
R2Andy:
Heres my Email: cdresbach@live.com
I will post the date of the foundry tour when I get it. See ya at the foundry!:)

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-21-2009, 09:00 PM
Still after a date to tour the foundry. Probable within the first or second week of november.

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-22-2009, 11:52 PM
Soon...:)

Chris Dresbach

Lark Hunter
10-23-2009, 12:29 AM
quote:Originally posted by Chris_Dresbach

Soon...:)

Chris Dresbach


Schweet! Remember, pics and bricks:D. As I said earlier, I will pay ya for a brick and some core sand if you get a chance to grab some.:) LH

"I'm allergic to small block Chevys."

Chris_Dresbach
10-23-2009, 09:23 PM
I will get some. All I need to know is how much of what you want and where to send it!:)

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-23-2009, 11:18 PM
Had nothing to do today, so I decided to take a wrong turn and go check out "Plant 8" in South Bend. I had never been there before, really barely seen it from a distance. Didnt stay long, just went back, turned around and left, had some stuff to do otherwise I would have stayed longer. For a plant that was built for WW2 production, I would say that is one very advanced looking plant for its time. At first glance, if you didnt know the history of it, one would probably think "Early 60s." Try 40s! I thought that was pretty cool. The old rail road tracks that served the plant still run directly through the front lawn! The origional guard shack is still intact, but the plant dosent have to make any war craft anymore, so nobody was home.[:p] I didnt know that alot of small businesses were in there. I wonder where they will put S.A.S.C.O? The water tower is still up. I think the smoke stack is too, I could be wrong.[?] And if you want to visit the plant and want to go from Sample street down franklin directly to the plant like Studebaker intentionally built it by looking at google maps, google maps lied. Franklin street usted to connect Plant 8 to the Engineering building. I didnt know this yet. So were going along down Franklin and it dead ends in a Scrap yard! So dont go down Franklin. Also, I have looked and looked and looked on the internet for pics of plant 8 of any time period, and they just dont exist! It seems that nobody cared about Plant 8! I even looked in my "Refrence" book "Studebaker Remembered", that book is dedicated to the plant and workers, not mainly all the different models of cars (its a great book, if you dont have a copy, youre missing out and should get one at the next South Bend meet:)) and it onle had 2 or 3 pics of Plant 8! This is crazy! Anybody have any pics of Plant 8?
Thanks!:)

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-24-2009, 09:42 PM
Abybody?[?] LOL

Chris Dresbach

R2Andrea
10-25-2009, 10:08 AM
Chris, What you saw at the end of Franklin St. WAS the sight of Plant 8. It was located at the corner of West Eckman and Franklin. Sibleys Foundry ajoins the property to the east. The Plant 8 building was torn down several years ago to put up a recycling facility. There was still a small portion of building left in the south west corner when I was back there early this year. It's visible if you go in from the Chippewa Plant. AM General used the Plant 8 building to build Mail Jeeps for the US Postal Service.

R2Andy

Chris_Dresbach
10-25-2009, 07:09 PM
I thoufgt the chippewa plant was plant 8?[?]

Chris Dresbach

COMMANDERPINK1
10-25-2009, 07:45 PM
Hey Chris, anyway of a tour during the May meet?

Chris_Dresbach
10-25-2009, 09:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by COMMANDERPINK1

Hey Chris, anyway of a tour during the May meet?


I dont see why not. The foundry/business owner (Don) said to just stop in and ask for a tour, usually any time. Don is a Studebaker guy, so he would be understanding, even more when an SDC meet is going on!:)

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-25-2009, 09:18 PM
quote:Originally posted by COMMANDERPINK1

Hey Chris, anyway of a tour during the May meet?


I dont see why not. The foundry/business owner (Don) said to just stop in and ask for a tour, usually any time. Don is a Studebaker guy, so he would be understanding, even more when an SDC meet is going on!:)

Chris Dresbach

Lark Hunter
10-26-2009, 02:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by Chris_Dresbach

I will get some. All I need to know is how much of what you want and where to send it!:)

Chris Dresbach


Email sent!http://www.thescubasite.com/smile/sign/sign0185.gif

Straight from the horse's mouthhttp://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/characters/character0109.gif

Chris_Dresbach
10-28-2009, 01:01 AM
quote:Originally posted by Lark Hunter


quote:Originally posted by Chris_Dresbach

I will get some. All I need to know is how much of what you want and where to send it!:)

Chris Dresbach


Email sent!http://www.thescubasite.com/smile/sign/sign0185.gif

Straight from the horse's mouthhttp://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/characters/character0109.gif


To where? I didnt receve one. Resend it to: cdresbach@live.com

Chris Dresbach

Lark Hunter
10-28-2009, 10:55 PM
quote:Originally posted by Chris_Dresbach
To where? I didnt receve one.

FPS (Forum Postal Service) stinks!:( At least the stamps are cheap... I'll mail ya directly... LH

... And I'm having problems accessing my Yayhoo email account, too.:(:([xx(] It says: "Oops! Looks like our servers are taking a break. Please try again later." Slacking servers.
How lame is that? Stay tuned...


Straight from the horse's mouthhttp://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/characters/character0109.gif

Chris_Dresbach
10-28-2009, 11:29 PM
I know! Cheap stamps, no kodding...[:p] LOL
Sounds like you need a new Email! Wouldnt mind knowing what the problem is with the forum Email either.[?][?][?]

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-29-2009, 12:31 AM
Hay! I think they fixed the Email!:)

Chris Dresbach

Deaf Mute
10-29-2009, 02:14 PM
Someone needs to set up an "Official Foundry Tour" during the spring swap. A few years ago Palma led a few of us over there, but an "organized tour" sounds like a great time!

duane miller

Chris_Dresbach
10-29-2009, 09:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by Deaf Mute

Someone needs to set up an "Official Foundry Tour" during the spring swap. A few years ago Palma led a few of us over there, but an "organized tour" sounds like a great time!

duane miller


Hmn... Ill talk to the owner and see what I can do.:)

Chris Dresbach

Chris_Dresbach
10-29-2009, 09:20 PM
Ok. Tonight I have good news and bad news. The good new is that the foundry tour/exploration is still on. The bad news is that my boss, dan, who is in charge of getting ahold of the owner for an exact date is a little out of service right now... Kidney stone.[xx(] On a positive note, he was back in to work today and seems to be doing better. So he will still call the foundry asap!:)

Chris Dresbach