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37Dictator
10-12-2009, 12:47 PM
Hello, My name is David, and I am new to the Studebaker scene, but not new to the classic car scene. I picked up a 1937 Studebaker Dictator, with the original flathead 6 (218.6?). The car is a bit rough around the edges, and the engine was sitting in the dirt about 20 feet from the car where I found it, but its not unrestorable. What I want to do is rip out that old flatty, and go with a more unique engine choice like a 350 chevy (kidding, don't send me hate mail). I want to really go all out on the original flathead, performance cam, head, stainless exhaust, 3 one barrels, the whole 9 yards. My question for all you Studebaker guys and gals, is where can I find speed parts for a 37 Studebaker flathead? Does anyone know of any good flathead 6 performance books, or rebuilding books? This car will be my daily driver once its finished, so I want a peppy, yet reliable drivetrain. Studebaker claimed that these flathead 6's could turn 5000rpm for days on end, which impresses the heck out of me, so it sounds like a nice motor. Any help you guys can give would be appreciated. Once I figure out how to post pics, I will include some of my Dictator in this thread, just give me a few minutes...

37Dictator
10-12-2009, 12:55 PM
Ok this is where it sat when I got it
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2583/4005543532_fd56fc1c6a.jpg

37Dictator
10-12-2009, 12:55 PM
This is the motor
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2615/4004777489_b869476a6c.jpg

37Dictator
10-12-2009, 12:57 PM
This is my paintbrush "photoshopped" motivation...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2629/4004767149_cac0b2dd64.jpg
Basically original except sitting a little lower, with a chop top and fender skirts (and the hot rodded flathead under the hood.)

Milaca
10-12-2009, 01:15 PM
Hi Dave, you may have to update to a 1939 or newer Stude 6 in order to find performance parts. Here is a link to a site dedicated to the 1939 & newer Stude 6 engines: http://www.cathcartsstudebaker.com/
Good luck!

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37Dictator
10-12-2009, 01:24 PM
I appreciate the reply. I'm going to try my best to stick with the original mill, if I can't find any performance parts, I may just have to make my own, that would be a fun project. I know a guy who designs cams for nascar, maybe he could help me whip up a cam (only if I can't find one, this guy wont be cheap).

jclary
10-12-2009, 01:31 PM
I like your photo shop pictures. Although my preference is "stock restorations" I think most club members welcome customs that are "tastefully" done.(of course you know that is very subjective) As far as what you intend to have for a drive train..."Cathcart" Studebaker specializes in "performance" sixes and can provide you with a complete rebuild from stock to the extreme. Someone else could provide you with a link and info on how to contact them. I don't have it at my fingertips. For a daily driver, I would seriously consider a SBC crate. Reason being, you can almost rebuild one or get all your parts from wal-mart. Also consider upgrading your suspension and brakes. Join the club and attend all the meets you can and pick the brains of other custom builders. There are some wonderful customs that look near original and "run modern." Whatever you do...make sure to do your homework on the cooling system. No matter how powerful, how pretty, or how good the ride...its near worthless if you have to creep down the highway to keep it from running hot. Welcome to the forum and good luck with the project.:):):)

John Clary
Greer, SC
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37Dictator
10-12-2009, 01:40 PM
thanks John, I've had my share of sbc's and I want to run this one original, I would like to upgrade the distributor to some kind of solid state ignition so I don't have to worry about points, and as far as speed is concerned, I think the flathead will be enough pep for this car, I know it wont be fast, but if I feel like driving fast, I can just take my impala that day (68' Impala sport coupe, with a pretty hot 496c.i. BBC) I dont know anything about studebaker engines, if this one breaks down a lot I may change my mind in the future, and I dont know anything about the stock suspensions either, I am guessing its decent because its an independent front suspension. If there are any known quirks or problems with these drivetrains, or suspensions, I would appreciate the heads up.

Milaca
10-12-2009, 01:40 PM
David (sorry I called you Dave earlier), I like your idea of keeping the original engine. It will definately make the engine bay look more unique and be far more interesting than a run of the mill 350 v8. As for that roof chop, you may have to remove the seats and sit on the floor. :D

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Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.

37Dictator
10-12-2009, 01:47 PM
No problem, Dave or David is fine. yeah I've seen so many 30's cars with SBC's that I'm beginning to think ford invented the SBC in 1932!!! I may have gotten a little over zealous on the roof chop picture, I will figure out my seating situation, then figure out how much chop I can get away with after that (the original seats are gone, so I will build some new benches for it). Luckily I'm not too tall so I could probably get away with a bigger chop than someone over 6ft. My goal for the engine compartment is all semi-gloss black, with only stainless being unpainted. I want to replace every bolt under the hood with stainless, and make brackets and the like out of stainless also, it should give the engine bay a really nice industrial look.

Andy R.
10-12-2009, 01:50 PM
Hi David, and welcome to the club. You have a very desirable project.

Keep in mind that the "Big 6" of your Dictator is a completely different engine from the "Champion 6". Nothing is interchangeable. Most of the links above refer to performance parts for the latter.

Here is a link to a discussion on rodding a "Big 6" like yours:
http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17803

Most Big 6 speed parts are very rare. If you find any, buy them. If you have the skills to fabricate, you'd likely finish making them before old ones show up. Best wishes! [8D]

Andy
62 GT

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Roscomacaw
10-12-2009, 02:01 PM
There was one of those sitting here in Visalia for a couple of years - hoping to find a new owner. Body was excellent. Guy wanted$1500 for it

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1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
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37Dictator
10-12-2009, 02:07 PM
How can I tell exactly which engine I have? I am assuming it is the original, but I don't know for sure, someone could have swapped it in the last 80 years.

hotrodstude
10-12-2009, 03:15 PM
would be a nice place to put a 300 ford 6,with 5-speed.loads of proformance parts and ford made millions of them.uses same bell housing as 302.cluth,pressure plate etc.....

2006,f-150,2x4,v-6,5-speed manual,8ft bed, will post stude info when i get it on the road.

Milaca
10-12-2009, 03:24 PM
This link may give you the info that you are looking for: http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/tech_6data.asp
On closer inspection, I see that the chart is confusing and may not be of any help. Here is a link of general specs: http://carnut.com/specs/gen/stud30.html

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Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.

dean pearson
10-12-2009, 03:27 PM
In 1937 didn't RPM stand for revolutions per mile? Just kidding!
Nice car David, It will be a lot of work but you'll have something really nice when your done.
Good luck with it and I like the idea of keeping the original motor.
Dean.

37Dictator
10-12-2009, 03:28 PM
From what I have seen so far, it appears as though the 218 was only used in 36' and 37'. Is this the case? which other engines are interchangeable with the 218?

gordr
10-12-2009, 03:31 PM
That does look like the original engine, or one very close in year, but not '38.

If you want the look of the original engine, but seek performance, look for a 245 six from a '50 Commander, or from trucks from that year up to 1960. Same basic block, but more displacement, and built with replaceable shell bearings instead of babbit. And a little more modern oil sealing, too. There ARE speed parts for the 245, but they are scarce as hens' teeth, and costly. You could probably make your own 3-carb manifold, and split exhaust manifold. I'd suggest using fairly long runners or velocity stacks on your carbs, because the 245 makes torque, and low-end torque suffers if your intake passages are too short.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

Milaca
10-12-2009, 03:52 PM
Is a 245 six basically a bored & stroked version of the six in David's 1937 Dictator? If so, then it should bolt right up?

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Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.

silverhawk
10-12-2009, 07:40 PM
Welcome David! That is a very cool car you got there, and I like your plans for it! Do you mind if I throw out a suggestion on the roof chop? I saw pics of a '35 dictator, same body as yours, but a different front end, with a 2-3" chop, and it looked awesome! What ever you do, have fun!

Dylan Wills

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37Dictator
10-13-2009, 08:21 AM
I'm completely open to suggestions, and I appreciate them. I mentioned before that I may have gotten a little over zealous with my chop picture, I will do lots of research and deciding before cutting anything.

Sdude
10-13-2009, 01:03 PM
Back on the home page under Studebaker stories, there used to be a story about a guy that supercharged a Champion 6. Now that was wild.

Jon Stalnaker
Editor, Hawk Talks
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warrlaw1
10-13-2009, 01:23 PM
I agree with Milaca, contact Cathcart's. I plan on finding a six cylinder car after my current V8 project, and what Cathcart can do with them is just wild. Check it out, i9f only for inspiration.

37Dictator
10-14-2009, 02:32 PM
Hey guys, I have an interesting engine option available to me, and I wanted to see what everyone thinks...

The engine would be a WMC (White Motor Company) 354c.i. flathead six.
It would look similar to the one I have being a flathead six and all, but its considerably larger displacement.

The positives: large displacement, and the marriage of a Dictator and White Power, which is a clever play on words in my opinion. Don't worry I'm not racist, I just appreciate puns.

The negatives: The engine is not original, and I can't seem to find any sources for parts for White motors. (although there isn't much supply for the original Studebaker motor either)

warrlaw1
10-14-2009, 02:39 PM
I seem to recall that some military applications used a "Hercules" engine and although most were diesel, some were gas. Hercules' name and assets were subsequently purchased by the White Pressure Cooker Company(I'm not making this up) and I did manage to find gaskets, etc. for a Hercules diesel, from them. I'm not sure if they are affiliated with the White Motor Company, but it's worth a shot. I'd go later Stude flat 6 from Cathcart, but I have ten years of university and still get stumped by self-serve gas pumps :)

37Dictator
10-14-2009, 02:46 PM
I have heard of the hercules engines, but I know very little about them. This engine is a gas engine out of a 1959 White (from what I was told). As far as parts, I'm not terribly concerned about availability, I'm a mechanical engineer, I can design and fab up a lot of parts if I absolutely have to, I would just rather not. The newer Stude engines are just such small displacement. My real preference for engine sizes is in the 500c.i. range. My Impala has a 496c.i. V8, but I don't want some modern V8 in my Studebaker, so the biggest inline flathead I can find is what I might go with.

Milaca
10-14-2009, 03:44 PM
My dad had a 1959 REO truck years ago and it had a large Continental gas engine in it. White owned the REO truck company at that time and perhaps White rebadged a Continental engine as a White. Regardless, how much work will it take to mate this engine to the existing car transmission? Is there room under the hood for this engine (it may be much taller than the original engine)?

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37Dictator
10-14-2009, 04:09 PM
The white engine comes with its split four speed (four speed with high and low range) so I wouldn't have to use the original transmission. As far as room under the hood, It has tons of room, the dictator has a high hood, so I have about a foot of clearance on top of the original engine. I can't seem to find any data on this giant flathead, but I'm going to go take a look at it this weekend and take some photos. I can't even find photos of a 'White' flathead. Once I check out the motor, I will post a few pics on this thread to show everyone (saturday evening).

Milaca
10-14-2009, 04:22 PM
Trucks typically have a huge bellhousing as they have a much larger clutch diameter than a car. This will be a very interesting project!

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Brent's rootbeer racer.
MN iron ore...it does your body good.

Dan White
10-14-2009, 05:03 PM
A couple of other engine options you might want to consider flat headwise: Hudson Hornet 308 twin carbs (factory), Studebaker President 8, a Packard 8.

Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT

37Dictator
10-14-2009, 05:32 PM
The president, Packard and Hudson 8's have sparked my interest as well, the only downside is that my car is a dictator, not a president, so the engine bay isn't as deep. I might still be able to cram a straight 8 in there though. I will keep everyone informed of what happens with the White engine this weekend. If it looks like it will fit, I will buy it to at least have the option of putting it in my car, if I let it go, I may never come across another one (I can't even find mention that these engines exist online). If anyone knows of a website with info on old (1959) White flathead gas engines, I would like to check it out.

Dan White
10-14-2009, 05:35 PM
The Hudson is a 308 cu. in. 6 not an 8! Rumor has it that Hudson used a White engineer to help design their last flat head six series, 232, 262, and 308 Cu in machines and the 308 is the largest 6 ever put in a car. The 308 can also be punched and stroked out to better than 350 cu in. There is still plenty of speed parts available for the Hudson, hi compression heads, intakes, including a 3 side draft intake, but the twin singles is the easiest to find. Also cams, large valves and headers, although your header situation would make off the self units tough to fit.

Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT

37Dictator
10-14-2009, 05:48 PM
wow, very cool! What is the availability of those 308's? I have never seen one. A custom header would likely be in order no matter what motor I choose for this car. I would like whatever motor I choose to have the manifolds on the passenger side so its easier to fab up a header without messing with the steering column.

DEEPNHOCK
10-14-2009, 06:27 PM
No way on a straight 8...
I love your phantom look...
Do yourself a big favor.
Collect your parts..
Make your plan...
A Cathcart engine is money well spent, especially with the amount of work you are facing.
Find a 3spd O/D trans and spend your driveline time putting the best brakes and wheels and tires on there.
Then spend your time on your bodywork and interior.
I would LOVE to have the interior room a sedan would bring.
A hot lil' Champion engine would be great, especially with O/D and a sane rear gear.
One great thing for your SawZall fervor...
It's all flat glass.
Just keep your window opening radius'es (sp?) decent so they look 'right'...
A Chop on a huge sedan is a challenge....
If you get stumped...
Bring it down south and I'll help you wail on it.
Sounds like fun!
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by 37Dictator

The president, Packard and Hudson 8's have sparked my interest as well, the only downside is that my car is a dictator, not a president, so the engine bay isn't as deep. I might still be able to cram a straight 8 in there though. <snip>


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Dan White
10-14-2009, 06:28 PM
The other plus on the Hudson is that there are also GM automatic adapters available for say a 700R4 or 2004R trans.

Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT

Milaca
10-14-2009, 06:28 PM
If you would like a late model inline 6 that was built in Indiana, you could drop in a Cummins diesel from a Dodge pickup (no, its not a flathead). Aftermarket performance parts are readily available. Did you know that Cummins owns the Onan engine & generator company, which was at one time owned by Studebaker? But then again, Studebaker once owned White trucks....I'll shut up now :)

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Brent's rootbeer racer.
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DEEPNHOCK
10-14-2009, 06:31 PM
And White was once a sewing machine company?
(Now Volvo)
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by Milaca

If you would like a late model inline 6 that was built in Indiana, you could drop in a Cummins diesel from a Dodge pickup (no, its not a flathead). Aftermarket performance parts are readily available. Did you know that Cummins owns the Onan engine & generator company, which was at one time owned by Studebaker? But then again, Studebaker once owned White trucks....I'll shut up now :)

37Dictator
10-14-2009, 06:36 PM
Funny comments guys! So where exactly is down south for you Jeff? I'm in San Antonio, Tx.

Dick Steinkamp
10-14-2009, 06:37 PM
quote:Originally posted by Milaca
But then again, Studebaker once owned White trucks


White was a stand alone company until 1981 when Volvo purchased the US assets. No connection with Studebaker.

(actually, Studebaker did produce white (colored) trucks.) :D

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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Milaca
10-14-2009, 06:58 PM
Actually Dick, Studebaker did own the White Motor Corporation (maker of trucks) in the very early 1930's but bankruptcy forced Studebaker to sell it and Pierce-Arrow off in about 1933. White Motor Corporation went on to purchase Diamond T, REO and other truck manufacturers in the 1950's and purchased agricultural giants Oliver, Cockshutt and Minneapolis-Moline in the early 1960's. Eventually, much like International Harvester, White Motor Corp. had to split up its entities and sale some off. Thus they sold the White, Western Star and Autocar truck lines to Volvo (which also owns Mack now)and sold Diamond Reo (white merged Diamond T and REO together) to and independent company on the east coast which no longer makes trucks. Oliver, Cockshutt & Minneapolis-Moline eventually became White farm equipment which was sold to AGCO of Atlanta, GA and White outdoor power equipment was sold to MTD, which also owns Cub Cadet (which was an International Harvester company). As for White sewing machines, I dont know who owns them now. I'll stop blabbing now, good day! ;)

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Brent's rootbeer racer.
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37Dictator
10-14-2009, 07:08 PM
That was a heck of a rant! Well played!

Dick Steinkamp
10-14-2009, 07:26 PM
quote:Originally posted by Milaca

Actually Dick, Studebaker did own the White Motor Corporation (maker of trucks) in the very early 1930's but bankruptcy forced Studebaker to sell it and Pierce-Arrow off in about 1933. White Motor Corporation went on to purchase Diamond T, REO and other truck manufacturers in the 1950's and purchased agricultural giants Oliver, Cockshutt and Minneapolis-Moline in the early 1960's. Eventually, much like International Harvester, White Motor Corp. had to split up its entities and sale some off. Thus they sold the White, Western Star and Autocar truck lines to Volvo (which also owns Mack now)and sold Diamond Reo (white merged Diamond T and REO together) to and independent company on the east coast which no longer makes trucks. Oliver, Cockshutt & Minneapolis-Moline eventually became White farm equipment which was sold to AGCO of Atlanta, GA and White outdoor power equipment was sold to MTD, which also owns Cub Cadet (which was an International Harvester company). As for White sewing machines, I dont know who owns them now. I'll stop blabbing now, good day! ;)



You made me dig deeper and you are correct. Studebaker did own White. My mistake. Thanks for the history lesson. :)

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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Dan White
10-14-2009, 07:43 PM
Here are some Hudson 308 pics:

http://www.classiccar.com/photopost/showgallery.php/cat/553

http://images.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=308+Hudson+twin+H+engine+pictures&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=EWLWSqTkCdLBlAeqw6WcCQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQsAQwAA


Rodding comments:

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=391692&showall=1

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4292034

http://www.hudsonmotorcar.org/News/article/sid=7.html

Really Wild (over the top if you ask me but cool nonetheless):

http://www.uncommonengineering.com/

Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT

barnlark
10-14-2009, 09:53 PM
Much like Studebaker, White started it's vehicle production infancy here
in Cleveland, Ohio, just after the turn of the century. The sewing machine
company came first, of course. There are still faded White signs here on
the brick buildings and quite a few old White trucks tucked and rusted
in the oddest urban nooks.

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Milaca
10-14-2009, 11:21 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

Much like Studebaker, White started it's vehicle production infancy here
in Cleveland, Ohio, just after the turn of the century. The sewing machine
company came first, of course. There are still faded White signs here on
the brick buildings and quite a few old White trucks tucked and rusted
in the oddest urban nooks.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/DSCN1253_2.jpg

White was apparently a massive company for many years. I just read that they began with sewing machines in 1866 and began building steam powered cars at the turn of the century and began the Cleveland Tractor company (Cletrac) in 1916 as well. Somewhere along the way, Cletrac was sold to Oliver but then White got it back again in 1960 with the purchase of Oliver. I think I would like to find a book written about this interesting company. Sorry David, for diverting from the original topic.

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37Dictator
10-15-2009, 08:11 AM
hey, no problem. This is an interesting diversion. I can't wait to check out this beast of a motor this weekend.

warrlaw1
10-15-2009, 11:05 AM
So if you can rig up the White engine you may still be in the Stude family tree, somewhere. If you can find a White pressure cooker you could make an interesting bonnet for a supercharger! She'd be cookin'! A White powered Dictator chopped and socialized....hmmm

37Dictator
10-15-2009, 11:08 AM
The pressure cooker bonnet is a pretty funny image to think of. Maybe I could throw on a sewing machine hood ornament too! That would definitely go with the cold mobster look of the car, haha.

37Dictator
10-15-2009, 11:13 AM
Speaking of accessorizing...

When the car is finished, I'm going to find a tommy gun case, and keep it on the backseat at all times (just the case, empty). It should be an interesting conversation piece, especially if I get pulled over by the cops. haha

37Dictator
10-16-2009, 05:25 PM
Now that I'm on a cubic inch quest here, has anyone heard of a GMC straight 6(gas) that is 500+ cubic inches? I can't seem to find any proof that there ever was something like that produced. The biggest straight 6 I know of is the Oldsmobile 707c.i. circa 1911 (60HP).

Milaca
10-16-2009, 05:40 PM
A few of the heavy truck manufacturers made large displacement 6 cylinder engines. International Harvester made some upwards of 500 ci if I recall, and Mack....and then there are the companies that made just engines like Waukesha, Lycoming, Hercules, Continental, Buda...who am I missing?

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Brent's rootbeer racer.
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BobGlasscock
10-16-2009, 05:40 PM
Caterpillar makes some pretty large displacement engines.......

So does John Deere......

I saw a John Deere piston once that was about 7 inches across. :)

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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37Dictator
10-16-2009, 05:45 PM
I have seen some massive diesels, but what I'm looking for here is a massive (preferably flathead) gas inline six.

37Dictator
10-17-2009, 08:19 PM
I went to go check out this white 354... Naturally, I forgot my camera, so I had to take a few pictures with the camera phone. The truck was out in the woods, buried in sticks, and I could only get to the drivers side to see anything. These pictures are poor, but the best I could get for now. I'm going back in two weeks to pull the engine out of this thing, which will be a real challenge in the woods...
I did bring along a tape measure to compare a few dimensions with the Studebaker 218.

Length from bellhousing to crank pulley:
Studebaker 30"
White 354 35"

Width at bellhousing:
Studebaker 15"
White 354 22"

height from bottom of oil pan to top of head:
Studebaker 22"
White 354.... An unreal 35"

The stroke on this White motor must be insane! I can't wait to get it home so I can tear into it...

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Milaca
10-17-2009, 09:50 PM
Are you going to start the engine up to see if it runs decent before pulling it out? Looks like the Good Year belts were replaced within the last few years. Is this what White called a 'Mustang' engine?

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silverhawk
10-17-2009, 09:53 PM
Dude, that is a cool 6!

Dylan Wills

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'61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon

Chris_Dresbach
10-18-2009, 01:06 AM
quote:Originally posted by BobGlasscock

Caterpillar makes some pretty large displacement engines.......

So does John Deere......

I saw a John Deere piston once that was about 7 inches across. :)

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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John deere. Had to be out of an old model "R" or a newer one?

Chris Dresbach

Milaca
10-18-2009, 01:17 AM
I think you can rule out John Deere as I don't believe they ever made a flathead six. Furthermore, tractor engines from the 1950's and earlier aren't very big in displacement. In 1950 for example, a 50 hp tractor was considered big! Although, a twin Johnny Popper engine would be very interesting in a car...especially if it were flywheel hand start!

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37Dictator
10-18-2009, 10:46 AM
I will build a crate for this engine and try to fire it up at home. He told me the truck was in service until 3 years ago. So it will likely fire up pretty easily, and the only thing missing from under the hood is the air cleaner. The truck had a badge on the hood side the said "Super Mustang" so I believe this could be the "mustang engine". Just a side note, I plan to get this engine to the largest displacement possible. I know it will be expensive, but if it's possible, it will be resleaved for the largest bore that will physically fit, and I can get some custom pistons made, just imagine the possibilities... 500+ Cubic inch flathead 6.. muahahahaha! I know the block will be stout enough for big power because cast right into the side, it says Nickel Chrome Alloy, which is very strong. I cant wait to drag this mill home...