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StudeMichael
09-30-2009, 06:28 PM
This baby is knocking my socks off!


http://tinyurl.com/y86pw9f

sweetolbob
09-30-2009, 06:46 PM
A very pretty car indeed. I wonder how high the bidding will go.

It does seem to have a set of 53 tail lights however.

Bob

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh263/sweetolbob/P1000416.jpg?t=1227109182

hi-peral
09-30-2009, 06:46 PM
Yup a Champion resto with an 8 cylinder will do that. To bad there are no flix of the engine bay. Stunning rig nontheless!

Live your dreams!

dean pearson
09-30-2009, 06:55 PM
Buy it, BUY IT NOW... What are you waiting for???
Dean.

kurtruk
09-30-2009, 06:56 PM
Tis nice! I know you all will pick it apart for wrong bumper guards, etc. Note in the specs., they say it has an 8 cylinder engine. I wonder if they've even lifted the hood. No pics of that. Could you buy it, then find it has a 6 cylinder, and demand a deep discount[?][}:)][}:)][}:)] And it somehow transformed from a '64 to a '54.[:0] "This car's 10 years older than you said it was!"[:0][:0][:0] These guys are professionals?[:o)][:o)]


[I would only consider this 'cause I really want it.:)]

KURTRUK
(read it backwards)


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Nothing is politically right which is morally wrong. -A. Lincoln

JDP
09-30-2009, 07:01 PM
For that kind of money, I'd hope for a flawless Commander, but it's a Champion, and has some detail issues. Having said that, it is a stunning car and may well sell.

JDP/Maryland

Jeff_H
09-30-2009, 07:18 PM
That car looks excellent from what I can see in the few pix I looked at. Some stuff not stock other than the engine unknown though:

- Red wheels. I think they are supposed to be black to match the body
- No gold in the wheel cover centers
- I think the back up lamp housings are sedan units, they are pointing up a bit since a sedan has a steeper decklid.
- The tail lamps as mentioned. I seem to recall that early '54 champions used '53 lamps but thought that only applied to C's and not K's like this one?

The pictures stopped loading after the first few for me (dial up) so if there are any of the interior I can't comment...

Jeff in ND
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/devilstowerthumbnail.jpg
'53 Champion Hardtop

raoul5788
09-30-2009, 07:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by Jeff_H

That car looks excellent from what I can see in the few pix I looked at. Some stuff not stock other than the engine unknown though:

- Red wheels. I think they are supposed to be black to match the body
- No gold in the wheel cover centers
- I think the back up lamp housings are sedan units, they are pointing up a bit since a sedan has a steeper decklid.
- The tail lamps as mentioned. I seem to recall that early '54 champions used '53 lamps but thought that only applied to C's and not K's like this one?

The pictures stopped loading after the first few for me (dial up) so if there are any of the interior I can't comment...

Jeff in ND
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/devilstowerthumbnail.jpg
'53 Champion Hardtop


IIRC, it was the '54 Commander Starliners that never used the '53 taillights. I had a '54 Champion Starlight that had them.

Chip
'63 Cruiser daily driver
'57 Packard wagon on the road!

52-fan
09-30-2009, 07:58 PM
What I can see is beautiful, but you would expect to see under the hood for that kind of starting bid.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s186/52-fan/StudebakersofArkansas2-1.jpg
1952 Champion Starlight w/overdrive. Searcy, Arkansas
"I may be lazy, but I'm not shiftless."

rockne10
09-30-2009, 08:00 PM
Does have sedan back-up lights![:0] Good for illuminating the trees. Pretty paint does not a good car make.
I would want to go over this one with a fine tooth comb and magnet before pledging that kind of money. '54 DID have larger bumper gaurds.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/Rockne/th_Rocknegauges.jpg'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight "Désirée"

StudeMichael
09-30-2009, 09:42 PM
The red wheels are correct.

Lark Hunter
10-01-2009, 12:02 AM
Wow! What a car. Sure, there are a lot of little details to attend to that would probably cost a significant amount of money, but I sure wouldn't kick it outta my driveway for leaking oil. In fact, if this car were a Commander, I'd probably trade my little sister in on it [8D]. LH

"I'm allergic to small block Chevys."

bison
10-01-2009, 02:38 AM
It is a nice car . but ouch!!! if I bought that I wouldn't be able to afford socks;)

warrlaw1
10-01-2009, 08:51 AM
Sort of legitimizes the $ I'm spending on my 55 Commander K. Mine's not a speedster, but the black on red seems to be most attractive. I feel better now about keeping it all stock. Hope thy get their $ for the '54.

Allan Songer
10-01-2009, 09:27 AM
Flathead 6 and an automatic. Yuck.

Beautiful car, though . . . .

Dick Steinkamp
10-01-2009, 09:47 AM
quote:Originally posted by warrlaw1

Sort of legitimizes the $ I'm spending on my 55 Commander K. Mine's not a speedster, but the black on red seems to be most attractive. I feel better now about keeping it all stock. Hope thy get their $ for the '54.


Keep in mind that there is a big difference between ASKING and actually SELLING. :)

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/63%20Daytona%20done/PP026-1.jpg

goodkarmech
10-01-2009, 10:10 AM
It always amazes me how knowledgeable the folks are on this forum. If I were to buy another Stude, I'd post pics here first to get some input. Well Done folks!
I'll bet the sellers don't want to promote the idea this is a 6 cylinder car and that is why no engine pics. Seems very odd to me. A buyer considering spending that sum of money for ANY car would want to see engine pics and chassis pics. Makes you wonder what they are hiding. I've seen a few EBAY sourced cars that looked good on top and were a mess underneath. This car sure looks good on the surface. Black is tough to make look good, and the color combo is tops!

Al Reed
North Bay Area, CA
1961 Lark Regal Skytop
1953 Commander Starlight

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af181/goodkarmechanic/My%20Photos/Cars/Dsc00033larkolsmteadcrop12X85-1.jpg

warrlaw1
10-01-2009, 10:27 AM
I know I'll never get the $ back out of my car, Dick, but I love the car and will keep it stock. One side benefit is that I have a houseful of left over parts and if I do find another 53/55 coupe that will never be perfect, I can build a Frankenstien to drive and my conscience won't be calling me bad names :)

Chucks Stude
10-01-2009, 11:23 AM
Is it my imagination, or do these type of places never show the engine? I don't ever recall seeing one that shows the engine.

JGK 940
10-01-2009, 12:01 PM
I see they've fixed the year model and number of cylinders in the listing. I wrote yesterday to ask for pix of the engine bay and an explanation of why the engine had been changed and to what and got this back:

Hello

This is Joseph Burgarello, Sales Manager from Daniel Schmitt & Co. Thank you for your recent interest in our beautiful 1954 Studebaker. This vehicle is equipped with the inline 6 cyl. 170 CI. we will have engine shots later in the day as the photographer forgot to take them yesterday . we were listing a bunch of vehicles and did not realize the missing photo until he was gone …

If the under-hood shots look as good as the rest of the car I won't have anything left to carp about except cockeyed backup lights [xx(] and I'll have to call their credit department to ask if they'll take my firstborn male child in trade...


Keoni Dibelka / HiloFoto
In Hawai'i; on Hawai'i; on the Windward Side
If da salt air never chew 'em up bumbye da lava will...

Jeff_H
10-01-2009, 12:20 PM
Got to see all the pix now, including the interior....

The turn signal knob is wrong and the armrests are on the wrong sides both front and rear. For some reason I see this a lot on these cars.

The seat inserts could be original cloth but I think not, I have seen several '54s with the striped cloth from the '53s used as inserts with vinyl like this. If its not original, its a good reproduction!

Jeff in ND
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/devilstowerthumbnail.jpg
'53 Champion Hardtop

studegary
10-01-2009, 01:49 PM
It is a nice car. I think that if it was a Commander, the price would be realistic.

1953 tail lights were only carried over on 1954 Champion Starlights. Before the serial number of this Starliner, all 1954s used 1954 tail lights.

Is this another C/K with sedan back up lights or was this same car discussed here recently?

It is odd that they refer to it as "All Black" when it obviously as a white top/roof.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

buddymander
10-01-2009, 02:07 PM
They're just salesmen. They have no real knowledge of ANY car. It's all hype. The photographer messed up..and the dog ate my homework. Talk is cheap, but "As is" can get expensive fast.

sals54
10-01-2009, 07:08 PM
Under hood shots are up. I don't know if they were added late or perhaps as a result of this thread... but they do show the flat 6. Engine bay is clean enough to eat off of.

sals54
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm197/sals54/NewSignature.jpg

StudeRich
10-01-2009, 07:21 PM
An Automatic 6 for over over $20,000.00? NOT going to happen! [xx(]

StudeRich

rockne10
10-01-2009, 07:54 PM
As long as we're picking everything apart, and for $20,000 we should be granted that option, I hope the headlight wires at the junction block aren't indicative of the condition of the rest of the harness. It's also missing most of the rubber bumpers between the hood and fenders.

I think this is a $2000 car with a $10,000 cosmetic job.


Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/Rockne/th_Rocknegauges.jpg'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight "Désirée"

rockne10
10-07-2009, 08:32 PM
Not a single bid! Was it something I said?[V]
Should have had a low opening bid, lower "But It Now" and lower reserve.
I suppose someone became upside down with this one.

Hopefully they can fix a few issues and/or realistically re-list. It's too pretty to get lost.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/Rockne/th_Rocknegauges.jpg'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight "Désirée"

Dick Steinkamp
10-07-2009, 08:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by rockne10

Not a single bid!


As I said earlier...there is a big difference between asking and selling. With a low opening bid and a reserve, the seller would know what the car was worth...but so would everybody else [:0].

I followed a very nice 409 powered '65 Impala through several listings with a $39,000 BIN. Finally the seller listed it with a low opening bid and a reserve. It bid to $15k.

http://tinyurl.com/ybr7soe

Nice car and nice presentation...but in today's market, worth $15k, not $39k (not $39k even when the market was good).

I would think the same with this Champion Starliner. Not $26.9 even in the best market. Maybe $15 in today's market, but the seller would rather potential buyers NOT know that which they would if he started with a low opening bid.

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/63%20Daytona%20done/PP026-1.jpg

buddymander
10-07-2009, 08:55 PM
I see what you mean. Not too important at the beginning of an auction, but close to the end, yes. And then it becomes much more important if you relist it and people go back and see how high (or low) it went before.

autocrat
10-08-2009, 06:31 AM
Since this is a Dealers car, and not a SDC members, let me give my two cents.

The 53-4 Starliners are, correctly, honored as a timeless design. One important aspect of that honor was the clean, simplicity of line. Thank you, Mr. Bob Bourke.

Why do people insist on cluttering up this purity with accessories- both factory and aftermarket- that spoil the presentation?

If this were my car I'd take off the front bumper guards, silly exhaust chrome, remove the back-up lights, replace the 53 taillights with 54's and paint the top black.

If one wants to accessorize a Stude, buy a 55 hardtop. The factory already gave them a chrome-laden good start.