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JDP
09-29-2009, 07:25 PM
I was high bidder at 14K plus on a nice C-K and had been talking to the owner. It seems he he had a guy from Lebanon that was sent a guy to inspect the car and would rather not see it leave the country.
We made a deal to end the auction early if I'd agree to not sell it out of the country when I was done with it. It turned out he could not end the auction early in the last 12 hours and I told him we'd just have to let it run and hope if I was outbid, it would not be the guy from Lebanon.
We last spoke about 11 PM, and felt safe with the 3 AM close of the auction, but that was to the advantage of the guy in Lebanon and apparently, he was the bidder that beat me out later in the auction.
Technically, he could refuse the sale since he had restricted the countries he would ship too, but he did not know that until the agent inspected the car and I felt it would not be fair after the guy had spent money for the inspection. Sooo close. I hope the car stays safe over there.

Here's the car.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110435920508

JDP/Maryland

bams50
09-29-2009, 07:47 PM
That's got to be the one that was at CeRap for I think $21 or 25K. I recognize the mis-matched paint. It needed lots of cosmetics in and out. I remember thinking it was about a $5-6K car. Shows how much I know![:I]

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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GOD BLESS AMERICA

StudeMichael
09-29-2009, 07:49 PM
Hopefully he won't take payment from the guy drawn on a bank in Lebanon. I would be extremely cautious!

bams50
09-29-2009, 07:50 PM
Just checked my pictures from CeRap. Guess I didn't take pictures of it after all. I'm sure somebody did!

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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GOD BLESS AMERICA

jclary
09-29-2009, 07:54 PM
Hey...look on the bright side...we have a chance to expand the SDC into yet another country! Can't wait to see the Lebanese national meet photos in Turning Wheels!


John Clary
Greer, SC
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buddymander
09-29-2009, 08:24 PM
I can already see it driving down Main street Beriut leading a battalion of Hezbullah sporting red, white and green flags...

Jeff_H
09-29-2009, 08:25 PM
I compared pix from CR with ebay and its definately the same car that was on the trailer in the car corral. The narrow WW tires, rusty license bracket, and missing "8" above the hood tri-star are tip offs. Looked like a older restoration and the body/paint needed some work IMO.

I've not been tracking '53 C/K prices too much of late so can't comment on this one. It would be interesting if someone was keeping a database of ebay and other sales $$ for these cars as compared to the price guides that comments indicate are off.

Jeff in ND
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/devilstowerthumbnail.jpg
'53 Champion Hardtop

JDP
09-29-2009, 08:38 PM
quote:Originally posted by Jeff_H

I compared pix from CR with ebay and its definately the same car that was on the trailer in the car corral. The narrow WW tires, rusty license bracket, and missing "8" above the hood tri-star are tip offs. Looked like a older restoration and the body/paint needed some work IMO.

I've not been tracking '53 C/K prices too much of late so can't comment on this one. It would be interesting if someone was keeping a database of ebay and other sales $$ for these cars as compared to the price guides that comments indicate are off.

Jeff in ND
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/devilstowerthumbnail.jpg
'53 Champion Hardtop


I based my bid on the documented low mileage and the rebuilt drive line. I missed the mismatched paint and other issues you mentioned, maybe I was lucky to have not bought the car.

JDP/Maryland

rockinhawk
09-29-2009, 08:58 PM
Hey John, From the heading of this post,I thought you had been Deer hunting. We hear that phrase a lot around here during hunting season. BTW I got the seat covers yesterday. They look great.
Stil waiting on the carpet, and we'll be putting it all back togather. Miss Edie in really getting excited. Thank you, NT


Neil Thornton
Hazlehurst, GA
'57 Silver Hawk
'56 Sky Hawk
'51 2R16 dump truck
Many others.
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stuchamp
09-29-2009, 11:44 PM
Photo from the C.R. meet. Sorry, only took a front shot.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n143/stuchamp/Stude%20Meet/045.jpg

ozarkman
09-29-2009, 11:53 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP


quote:Originally posted by Jeff_H

I compared pix from CR with ebay and its definately the same car that was on the trailer in the car corral. The narrow WW tires, rusty license bracket, and missing "8" above the hood tri-star are tip offs. Looked like a older restoration and the body/paint needed some work IMO.

I've not been tracking '53 C/K prices too much of late so can't comment on this one. It would be interesting if someone was keeping a database of ebay and other sales $$ for these cars as compared to the price guides that comments indicate are off.

Jeff in ND
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/devilstowerthumbnail.jpg
'53 Champion Hardtop


I based my bid on the documented low mileage and the rebuilt drive line. I missed the mismatched paint and other issues you mentioned, maybe I was lucky to have not bought the car.

JDP/Maryland



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gordr
09-30-2009, 02:05 AM
I remember seeing that car at Cedar Rapids. Not, IMHO, a $14,000 car.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

8E45E
09-30-2009, 08:16 AM
quote:Originally posted by jclary
Can't wait to see the Lebanese national meet photos in Turning Wheels!


Maybe that special order 1958 Packard Starlight that was sold new there will show up!!:D I wonder if it survives?

Craig

4961Studebaker
09-30-2009, 09:30 AM
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q14/kkad0711/IMG_6684-1.jpg

Only photo I have of it.
zoomed in it was 22k or OBO

ChopStu
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q14/kkad0711/IMG_5406-1.jpg
141 weeks till completion.

JDP
09-30-2009, 11:15 AM
quote:Originally posted by 4961Studebaker

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q14/kkad0711/IMG_6684-1.jpg

Only photo I have of it.
zoomed in it was 22k or OBO

ChopStu
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q14/kkad0711/IMG_5406-1.jpg
141 weeks till completion.




Well, either the $6500 guys or me are out of line, but that looks like a 14K car to me.

JDP/Maryland

rayoung55
09-30-2009, 02:06 PM
I called and visited with the owner too. I asked for more interior photos but he didn't have any. He didn't know how the interior floors were, either OK or repaired.

It's hard to tell from the pictures if the price is right or not. Based on the mechanicals being repaired it's probably OK.

I've been looking to by a 53 or 54 for the last year or so. Most prices for V8's seem to be between $10 and $15 K for a nice driver. In this price range they seem to move pretty quick.

Living out in Wyoming makes it hard check most of the cars out. I've asked for input from the group a couple of times. Often there is no response or the owner gets mad for questioning their integrity. I just want honest opinions from folks who may know the cars.

I've heard that some of the early automatics can be problematic so would prefer to stick with a manual, hopefully OD. Finding someone to work on 50 year old plus transmissions is getting harder every year. The auto is what kept me from bidding on this one, along with the price heading toward the top end.

studegary
09-30-2009, 02:31 PM
I wouldn't let the automatic scare you off. That was/is a good automatic. Studebaker switched to a cheaper automatic. That automatic was used by others, including Jaguar. The main thing is to change all of the fluid on a regular basis (I recommend once per year.).

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

Jeff_H
09-30-2009, 02:34 PM
My observation having seen the car at CR were that the panel fit was not that good. Granted '53s are not known for body fit and goodness knows I've spent enough time on mine in that area, but given the asking price, I would have expected better if the car had been restored. There was also some road rash here and there on the car. If it were to come into my possesion, I'd likely have the body half apart attempting to improve it. The ebay ad implied (but did not specifically say) it had been restored in the 80s. Maybe the shop didn't disassemble it but only did a cosmetic job and repaint.

Jeff in ND
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/devilstowerthumbnail.jpg
'53 Champion Hardtop

bams50
09-30-2009, 02:38 PM
I did look this car over. It had a few bondoed spots starting to really bubble- looked to me like a shade-tree repair. Paint was OK, but a low-end driver quality with mis-matched areas. It seems like the interior was only fair condition. Still presented well overall form 10 or 20 feet, needed help up close.

I may know something about Larks, but have never watched C-K prices; but from what I have observed, given the condition, I think you would have been rather upset when you saw it at $14K.

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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GOD BLESS AMERICA

JDP
09-30-2009, 02:57 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

I did look this car over. It had a few bondoed spots starting to really bubble- looked to me like a shade-tree repair. Paint was OK, but a low-end driver quality with mis-matched areas. It seems like the interior was only fair condition. Still presented well overall form 10 or 20 feet, needed help up close.

I may know something about Larks, but have never watched C-K prices; but from what I have observed, given the condition, I think you would have been rather upset when you saw it at $14K.

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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GOD BLESS AMERICA









OK, maybe I dodged a bullet. That's the problem with tiny pictures and no detail shots.

JDP/Maryland

bams50
09-30-2009, 03:14 PM
JP, you once said that the vast majority of your purchases off eBay or just pictures are either as good as described or better, and rarely are a ripoff. I took that advice and have found the same thing thus far- most always better than described, or at least as good as. Based on what I remember, this might have been that rare bummer.

Problem is, descriptions are very subjective, based largely on the owner's knowledge (or lack of). This seller may not have been trying to hustle anybody, just honestly misjudged the condition. Same can happen with authenticity items and parts; I bought a 62 Daytona 289 4-speed for the 44TT and it turned out to actually be a useless 27:(. The seller is a friend who made an honest mistake; not that big a deal, and life goes on. It's tough to deal in 40+ year old stuff.

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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GOD BLESS AMERICA

JDP
09-30-2009, 03:34 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

JP, you once said that the vast majority of your purchases off eBay or just pictures are either as good as described or better, and rarely are a ripoff. I took that advice and have found the same thing thus far- most always better than described, or at least as good as. Based on what I remember, this might have been that rare bummer.

Problem is, descriptions are very subjective, based largely on the owner's knowledge (or lack of). This seller may not have been trying to hustle anybody, just honestly misjudged the condition. Same can happen with authenticity items and parts; I bought a 62 Daytona 289 4-speed for the 44TT and it turned out to actually be a useless 27:(. The seller is a friend who made an honest mistake; not that big a deal, and life goes on. It's tough to deal in 40+ year old stuff.

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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GOD BLESS AMERICA








I agree. I spoke to the seller many times about the car, and he seemed more than fair. After the inspector/appraiser looked at the car and found a bad light switch, we worked to fix the issue. He also mentioned many unseen, minor flaws to me. I just felt the low mileage, and drive line overhaul made it worth the money. In the end, I may have paid 14K for a 12K car, but likely would have made money in the end after some detailing and a better presentation.
You win some, and lose some, but I've never been really scammed more than 2-3 times in 100's of deals.

JDP/Maryland

rayoung55
09-30-2009, 03:52 PM
JP,

It sounds like you actually had the car inspected? Do you always do this or is it based on the amount you may possibly spend on the car? How do you find inspectors in a given area? Do you tell them specific things to look for, such as rust in floors and trunks, etc.?

The yellow convert I bought from you was spot on as far as you described it. I bought a Transtar on ebay and the seller failed to mention the frame damage due to a rear end hit.

Gary,

Thanks for the info on the autos. Just seems that I heard once they could be troublesome.

Rob