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Flat Ernie
01-15-2007, 12:58 AM
Assuming the axle is original, what is it? It looks like a Dana 44, but I know more about early Ford banjos & 8"/9" rears than I do Dana anythings...[:o)]

If Dana 44 - which spline count should the axles have - 10 or 30?

Thanks!

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N8N
01-15-2007, 08:20 AM
It is a Dana 44. It's a low spline count on the axles, don't remember what it is, but definitely not 30.

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Dick Steinkamp
01-15-2007, 11:08 AM
quote:Originally posted by Flat Ernie

If Dana 44 - which spline count should the axles have - 10 or 30?



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Flat Ernie
01-16-2007, 09:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


quote:Originally posted by Flat Ernie

If Dana 44 - which spline count should the axles have - 10 or 30?



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Thanks! That's what I meant, 19 - not 10!! Darn 0 & 9 are right next to each other - who put them there![:I][:o)][:I]

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JDP
01-16-2007, 10:17 PM
BTW, if you ever need rear axle parts, try

http://www.ring-pinion.com/


Their tech department helped me with all the bits I needed to build a 3:54 TT rear for my 59 Scotsman truck. They didn't giggle when I told them what I was trying to do, or what I was working on.

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Dick Steinkamp
01-16-2007, 10:45 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

BTW, if you ever need rear axle parts, try

http://www.ring-pinion.com/



Randy's is just south of me in Everett, WA.


I've also had good luck with these guys...

http://www.reiderracing.com/

They are in Michigan.


These guys seem to have the best price on the Richmond Gear Powertrax Lock Right...

http://www.rocky-road.com/lockright.html

$285 and it fits into your existing open rear end. They make one for a 19 spline Dana 44. A true locker for you drag race fans. Ted turned me on to it.





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Flat Ernie
01-17-2007, 01:47 AM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


These guys seem to have the best price on the Richmond Gear Powertrax Lock Right...

http://www.rocky-road.com/lockright.html

$285 and it fits into your existing open rear end. They make one for a 19 spline Dana 44. A true locker for you drag race fans. Ted turned me on to it.


You driving that lockright on the street? How is it? Noisy like a detroit?

Thanks!

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Dick Steinkamp
01-17-2007, 01:39 PM
quote:Originally posted by Flat Ernie
You driving that lockright on the street? How is it? Noisy like a detroit?


Not yet. I don't think they are supposed to be noisy, but they will lock up in a turn if you are giving it some gas (especially a stick shift) which will chirp the tires a little.

In the end, EVERY car is a compromise. Depends about what your hot buttons are and what your budget is :D

http://www.offroadexchange.com/dakota_lockright.htm

"Driving Impressions

I have used this model of Lock-Right in both an automatic and a 5-spd manual transmission. When driving the automatic vehicle on the street, the Lock-Right is almost not even noticeable. If you try to accelerate too quickly in a corner you can get the unit to lock up, and you may hear chirping in the turn. This is the only time I have been able to notice a difference, other than off-road. The 5-spd is a different story completely. The manual transmission has no fluid coupling (torque converter) so itís much easier to get the unit to lock up. Driving habits will have to be slightly altered in order to avoid certain mildly annoying characteristics of the locker. Youíll notice that if you drive slowly in first gear and make a turn (like in a parking lot) the vehicle will tend to "buck". This is remedied by taking it out of gear around those types of turns and coasting through them. I do it unconsciously now that I have driven the truck a while with it installed. Overall, even with these little "quirks", I love the unit and Iíve never had any problems with either axles I have them installed in."

http://www.4lo.com/94jeep/lock-right-d35c/install.html

"I've driven a few times since, it drives just as before. Unless you knew it was there it would be hard telling. So far I give it an A+

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Alan
01-17-2007, 05:39 PM
Dick, I used to run a Tripple D, dual drive but they were bought out by Detroit gear and are now called True-tracs. A nicer unit for around town and gives a better bite for tracks that some morron drools oil on before your pass.

Dick Steinkamp
01-17-2007, 06:24 PM
quote:Originally posted by Alan

Dick, I used to run a Tripple D, dual drive but they were bought out by Detroit gear and are now called True-tracs. A nicer unit for around town and gives a better bite for tracks that some morron drools oil on before your pass.


Nothing comes up for me on a Google search for True-tracs (or true trax, or tru trax or tru tracs or tru tracks). Maybe they are discontinued?

The biggest prob is finding an aftermarket unit for a 19 SPLINE Dana 44. Plenty around for the 30 spline units. Auburn Gear might be the only other one around that I could find. Dana Spicer(later Precision Gear) did make a PowerLok for the 19 spline. They are discontinued, however, but you might be able to find one in stock at a dealer left over.


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Alan
01-17-2007, 07:39 PM
Try Detroit Gear Tru-trac

N8N
01-17-2007, 07:41 PM
Would a 30 spline unit bolt into a Stude housing? I'm thinking that since Fairborn has convinced Moser to make the flanged replacement axles, it might be possible to have a few sets made in 30-spline which would be a better all around setup.

Keep in mind that I have NO idea if there's any meaningful differences between the two other than the spline count. If there are, that might be a deal killer.

just a thought,

nate

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Dick Steinkamp
01-17-2007, 07:52 PM
quote:Originally posted by Alan

Try Detroit Gear Tru-trac


OK, I found it under Truetrac. Nothing for a 19 spline Dana 44.



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Alan
01-17-2007, 08:41 PM
Dick, When I bought my last tru-trac for Stude I was told that you had to buy the unit for a Jeep with a Dana 44. Detroit gear does not make anymore the 19 spline unit. So you would have to upgrade to the 30 spline axles. But when I went to National Drive Train service in Las Vegas. The had some of the 19 spline units left. $350. When you come down next week I will lay out both a detroit Locker and a Tru-trac so you can see what they are like.

Flat Ernie
01-18-2007, 01:35 AM
For Dana 44 19-spl, I could only find

Power-Lok
No-slip
Lock-Right
Detroit Locker

Hard to beat the price of the Lock-Right though...:D

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Alan
01-18-2007, 02:13 PM
Gold trac is another one but not popular because of price. They are out there you just have to look for them.

JDP
01-18-2007, 03:58 PM
Just looked around for some Dana 44 Power-loc (Twin Traction) 19 spine units. If I buy the last six, I can get them for $408 each.


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Dick Steinkamp
01-18-2007, 03:59 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

Just looked around for some Dana 44 Power-loc (Twin Traction) 19 spine units. If I buy the last six, I can get them for $408 each.



Since the Power-loc is also the carrier, make sure you get ones for the ratios you are interested in (either 3.73 and down or 3.92 and up)




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Roscomacaw
01-18-2007, 05:00 PM
Lookie here!

http://www.quadratec.com/products/26104_05.htm

Since Richmond Gear has recently QUIT making these kits for 19-spline rears, they won't be available for long, but Quadratrac still has them for sale! Not a locker, these install WITHOUT taking the rear axle all apart![:0][^]

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Dick Steinkamp
01-18-2007, 06:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

Just looked around for some Dana 44 Power-loc (Twin Traction) 19 spine units. If I buy the last six, I can get them for $408 each.


Also, check out the Auburn Gear Pro model. Looks to be as good as the Power-Loc and about $370 from most dealers.



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JDP
01-18-2007, 08:08 PM
If I buy anything for resale, it'll be the Twin Traction unit since that's what I'm accustomed to. If you want a cheaper locker, the Trak Loc is around $325.


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Stude4x4
01-18-2007, 10:32 PM
To start off a Dana 44 is all the same as far as differentials. Axle shafts change in spline count and length, but the carriers are all the same except for the high pinions. The current spline count on new vehicles is 30, it used to be 19 and early model Jeeps around 1970 used a 10 spline.

The traction assemblies avaialble for 19 spline are air lockers, detroits and auburn limited slip. Auburn limited slips are top of the line and they work as good as the old power locks. If you upgrade to 30 spline axle shafts then you can get any type of locker:cable, electric, full lock, air and clutch. Lock rights, true tracs and trac locks are okay, BUT they don't lock up all the time and they may be cheap but there just not as good as an old power lock or the Auburn limited slip.

I can sell an Auburn LS. for $330.

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JDP
01-18-2007, 10:47 PM
Not to pick nits, but the open carrier is different from 30 to 19 spline too. The spider gear shoulder is different for the two spline counts. There are 4 basic open carriers 3.90 and up, 19 and 30 spline, and 3.90 down 19 and 30 spline.


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HNCadet
01-22-2007, 11:31 PM
Just looked around for some Dana 44 Power-loc (Twin Traction) 19 spine units. If I buy the last six, I can get them for $408 each.

JDP Do you know which carriers they have available? < 3.73 or >3.92?

My R3 resto will require some help in the differential area and I'd like to get something for a 3.92+ gearing.

If you can get them for $408. what markup do you need?

HN Cadet

JDP
01-23-2007, 12:09 AM
The have the 3:92 and up carrier in stocks, but that price does not include the ring and pinion. I think they'll sell you one for $450 or less.


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63 Avanti R1
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62 GT Hawk 4 speed
60 Lark HT
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starliner
51 Commander

HNCadet
01-23-2007, 05:19 PM
Holy $$$$ JDP! Called the "They" you referred to and "they" quoted me $571.01 PLUS shipping. You must have quite a relationship and sales history with these people. Wouldn't budge on the pricing either. Looks like that buy of all remaining @ $408. would yield a 40% premium.