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Herby
09-22-2009, 02:10 PM
Hello all, I'm a student of the restoration program at Mcpherson College in Kansas and my senior project is a 1953 Studebaker Champion C-body coupe.

At the moment I'm trying to get the chrome disassembled and had a question about the rear vent window pieces as seen at following link
http://img62.imageshack.us/i/img1416.jpg/

First I wanted to know if these pieces are sold new. My concern is that one piece in particular won't go back on too well which is the chrome button looking piece because of how it is held on:
http://img23.imageshack.us/i/img1408uc.jpg/

Any ideas how to remove it carefully so it can be re-used and re-chromed if new pieces don't exist? Thanks!

Roscomacaw
09-22-2009, 03:17 PM
I went out to the shop and dug one of these up. On the one I had in my hands, there's what's essentially a rivet that pins those lever parts together. They've got rather flat heads on the top, whereas on the lower end they're braded flat to keep them in place. There's nothing you can do except grind off the braded ends and push them out to seperate the pieces. These special rivets MAY STILL be available from vendors, cause you'll need new or at least similar ones to reassemble the rechromed parts.

BTW, that glass frame looks badly rusted. I'll bet I have a better one available here. ;)

The numbers of those pins is 303863 & 303864 2 each per car.


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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Herby
09-22-2009, 06:47 PM
The frame is badly damaged from rust, but depending on the price of another decent one, they want me to repair it.[xx(]

What vendor are those part numbers from? I checked Studebaker international catalog and website and couldn't find anything.

What I was most worried about was this knob piece
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/insane573/Studebaker%20stuff/IMG_1418.jpg
which is held on by this mushroomed metal. I'm going to use some pliers to squeeze it out, otherwise it will have to be ground out. My concern is getting it back on nicely and whether I'll have to come up with a new method to keep it on the stainless piece
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/insane573/Studebaker%20stuff/IMG_1417.jpg

Anne F. Goodman
09-22-2009, 07:41 PM
Herby, I will send you a set out of a 1957 SilverHawk should be the same windows for the cost of packaging and mailing only. Might fit in a flat rate box. Let me know I'll take pictures of them tomorrow.

Mabel 1949 Champion
Hawk 1957 Silverhawk
Gus 1958 Transtar
The Prez 1955 President State
Blu 1957 Golden Hawk
Daisy 1954 Commander Regal Coupe
Fresno,Ca
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/Mabel.jpg?t=1165475035http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/xmasannecopy.jpghttp://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/GusMater.jpghttp://s122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/th_DSCN17232008-01-01.jpghttp://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/54%20Commander%20Regal%20Coupe/3539580552_f5500eb0d8-1-1.jpg

rockne10
09-22-2009, 08:21 PM
I could be wrong but I think if you took some 0000 steel wool to that latch it would clean up better than you expect

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/Rockne/th_Rocknegauges.jpg'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight "Désirée"

Herby
09-22-2009, 09:26 PM
Anne: That sounds great! If they are the same I would much appreciate it!:D

Rockne10: Tried a couple polishes already and was going to try steel wool next (if I can find some in the shop). I'll see how well it works tomorrow.

Roscomacaw
09-23-2009, 01:21 AM
I agree with Brad here. These better photos show that some 0000 steel wool would do wonders.

Those part numbers are out of the Studebaker parts books. Even if they don't show up on SI's site, that doesn't mean they're not to be had.

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

4961Studebaker
09-23-2009, 10:04 AM
What's your opinion of the college, One of two programs in the country right? At least that's what I remember hearing.

ChopStu
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142 weeks till completion.

Herby
09-23-2009, 07:18 PM
Found some steel wool and buffed too, but still looks pretty bad. Very pitted
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/insane573/Studebaker%20stuff/IMG_1423.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/insane573/Studebaker%20stuff/IMG_1420.jpg

4961studebaker: From what I've heard, it's the only one in the country. I have liked it so far. I'm only here for 2 years because I have a college degree, so I'm cramming quite a bit of information. Its supposed to be a 4 year program with other general education classes mixed in.

Anne F. Goodman
09-23-2009, 08:40 PM
Herby these are the windows. Can you guys say for sure that these are the same windows that will fit the 53? They came out of a 1957 Silverhawk?
http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv124/nw3anne2/Parts%20Cars/DSCN50072009-09-23.jpg
http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv124/nw3anne2/Parts%20Cars/DSCN50092009-09-23.jpg

Mabel 1949 Champion
Hawk 1957 Silverhawk
Gus 1958 Transtar
The Prez 1955 President State
Blu 1957 Golden Hawk
Daisy 1954 Commander Regal Coupe
Fresno,Ca
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/Mabel.jpg?t=1165475035http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/xmasannecopy.jpghttp://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/GusMater.jpghttp://s122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/th_DSCN17232008-01-01.jpghttp://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/54%20Commander%20Regal%20Coupe/3539580552_f5500eb0d8-1-1.jpg

goodkarmech
09-24-2009, 11:37 AM
A little off topic, but anyone with these windows on their cars have trouble keeping them open? Mine open up fine, but the wind pushes them shut as soon as I start driving. Since they are riveted together I'm at a loss on how to tighten up the tension on the mechanism.

Al Reed
North Bay Area, CA

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Roscomacaw
09-24-2009, 01:04 PM
Yes, they'll work fine in a '53. Besides that, Herby will appreciate the stainless steel window frames of these!:D

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/30906179/aview/58_Avatar.jpg
1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Anne F. Goodman
10-13-2009, 12:44 PM
Hello Herby did you get the windows? USPS tracking is down let me know thanks Anne

Mabel 1949 Champion
Hawk 1957 Silverhawk
Gus 1958 Transtar
The Prez 1955 President State
Blu 1957 Golden Hawk
Daisy 1954 Commander Regal Coupe
Fresno,Ca
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/Mabel.jpg?t=1165475035http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/xmasannecopy.jpghttp://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/GusMater.jpghttp://s122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/th_DSCN17232008-01-01.jpghttp://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/54%20Commander%20Regal%20Coupe/3539580552_f5500eb0d8-1-1.jpg

ralt12
10-14-2009, 09:43 PM
The mechanisms are also occasionally available on eBay--I bought a new set a short time ago (surprised to see them!).
Further--does anyone have any pearls of wisdom on replacing the gaskets around the window--as that one-piece frame is &*(&*() !!

'53 Commander
Art Morrison chassis
LS6 ASA/4L60E

rockne10
10-14-2009, 10:13 PM
quote:any pearls of wisdom on replacing the gaskets around the window
Mine only required some patience and a little bit of silicone spray.