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Kdancy
08-23-2009, 08:52 AM
Why is this necessary with an automatic transmission? Can I eliminate this from the brake system ?

JDP
08-23-2009, 09:52 AM
It's not necessary, it's a accessory that keeps the car from moving by applying the rear brakes at idle. You can remove and plumb around it.

JDP/Maryland

tbredehoft
08-23-2009, 11:18 AM
Or simply disconnect the wires and drive like you would in any other automatic drive car. Hold the brake on until the light turns green.

I can't get mine to work. I put in a new solenoid, either it's bad or the pressure switch isn't working. More study needed.

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Dwain G.
08-23-2009, 12:13 PM
In the early '50s, as automatic transmissions were becoming increasingly popular, 'creep', (car trying to pull forward at idle speed) at a stop light for instance, was a big deal to a lot of drivers.
I never really understood that. So you had to keep one foot on the brake pedal, so what! Cars still creep today, but it doesn't seem to bother anyone

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warrlaw1
08-24-2009, 09:53 AM
Dwain, you've probably never done this, but I'm sure you've seen plenty of bikes or other vehicles revving the engine at a stop light while in gear, but with the clutch disengaged. Once in a while a clutch cable will snap, the clutch engages and there's an unplanned wheelie and a scream through the intersection. I'm sure you've never done this (lol). Having an automatic with an anti-creep is sort of a statement that says "I'm above that sort of behavior". I've never done that sort of thing either :)

Dwain G.
08-24-2009, 01:14 PM
No, but I've brought plenty of VW's back to the shop by starting them in gear, shutting off and restarting if you have to come to a complete stop.

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warrlaw1
08-25-2009, 12:08 PM
You betcha! Bugs had clutch cables, too. I had a fleet of them for pizza delivery and one driver jumped a set of tracks and broke the motor mount struts. I sent a mechanic friend to inspect the situation. He wired the engine back up and fired her up. Drove it back to his shop tugging on the throttle cable and not even missing the clutch. He attached a crane to the car and when he lifted it, half the car stayed on the ground (lol). I shoulda used Studebakers!

Johnnywiffer
08-25-2009, 03:19 PM
Most people agree, the ’50-’55 Studebaker Automatic Drive was the most advanced automatic transmission of its day. That transmission had not only anti-creep (which was kinda nice) but was also the 1st commercially successful to use a direct drive clutch and even had a reverse lockout. You could be going down the road at a good clip and if you accidentally (or intentionally) moved the selector lever to “R”, it only shifted into neutral. I did it many times on my father’s Land Cruisers to show off to friends.

The story was that Ford actually wanted to use the Automatic Drive in its cars but since Studebaker had worked with Detroit Gear division of Borg-Warner in development, Studebaker said “No”. So DG developed a simpler (and cheaper) one for Ford.

As Studebaker car production fell in ’54 and ’55, the cost per unit of the Automatic Drive became prohibitive and finally Studebaker had to bite the bullet and use the cheaper Ford-developed unit. In my ’56 Accessory brochure, there is a listing for something that would add anti-creep to the Flight-O-Matic. Never saw a car with one on it.

But as most Studebaker people know, it ALSO does not have the direct drive clutch and any shift into “R” while going forward ANY SPEED will give you a big surprise (and probably a big repair bill.

Even after Studebaker went to a modified Ford-O-Matic, many European manufacturers continued to use it. Jaguar used it until only a few years ago.

It may not be a 4,5 or 6-speed electronic marvel of today (nor does it cost as much to repair) but it’s still [u]SOME</u> transmission!

John