Is that really a '64 Avanti pic on SDC website?

[edpjr]

The turquoise Avanti with round headlights shown on the SDC web pages looks an awful lot like a '63 to me. But, it's labeled as a '64. I notified the webmaster, but nothing changed. [?]

[Skinnys Garage]

I believe I've read that some of the early '64 cars still used the round headlights. So, this could be a '64 as labeled.


Skinny
Watertown, SD

[Retired]

Lets not forget that the round headlight clip could be ordered if so desired after the change over to the square headlight clip. Thus it is possible to have a '64 with round headlights. Also isn't there a service letter that instrucks dealers to sell any '63's in stock as '64's after a certain date. Comments please.

Richard

[toyman]

I believe the change over from '63 to '64 started at ser. no. 4837 and continued to 4892 - this is where the 'running' changes occurred. Richard is correct with his 'clip' assumptions, and, the sales instructions. The only way to really know what the pictured car is is to have the serial number. Even that 'may not' tell the entire story without knowing the maintenance history of the car. Ex: was it a square '64 in an accident and the then owner liked the rounds better and had the '63 clip installed???
Avanti authenticity is a complicated matter.

toyman

[MikeValent]

Those 1963 models still in dealer inventory could be and were sold (and titled) as 1964 cars, so the description could be completely legitimate.

MikeV
Pompano Beach, FL
83 Avanti 377I

[barnlark]

Which car and picture are you describing?

[monomaniac]

The first 50 (fifty) 1964 Avantis were built with round headlights.
All other conjecture is irrelevant.

[Avantidon]

I currently have R4974 in my possession. I did not believe it to be a 64 but build sheet told me otherwise. It has round headlights, Walnut Dash and Walnut Wheel.

[StudeRich]

quote:Originally posted by barnlark

Which car and picture are you describing?

He is talking about that tiny pic of a Avanti Turquoise Avanti, labeled '64 that pops up in rotation with many Stude. Pics at the top of the Home page.

If the owner reported it as a '64 it probably is, the headlight buckets have little to do with it, there are many other more major '64 running changes like Interior trim, Interior colors, Walnut Console and Wheel, the BIG one is Left Air Inlet Grille on top of "scoop" on cowl (this requires a new "Body", is not a bolt-on), Group 24 battery instead of 3EE long Battery etc.

StudeRich

[toyman]

But remember StudeRich, all that other stuff is "irrevelant"!!

toyman

[StudeRich]

quote:Originally posted by toyman

But remember StudeRich, all that other stuff is "irrevelant"!!
toyman

Yeah RIGHT, I got Art's "IRREVELANT"! [V]

StudeRich

[studegary]

quote:Originally posted by Avantidon

I currently have R4974 in my possession. I did not believe it to be a 64 but build sheet told me otherwise. It has round headlights, Walnut Dash and Walnut Wheel.

I believe that the first square headlight Avanti was 4892. I guess that you are implying that either the front panel or the serial number plate was changed on your Avanti.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

[studegary]

quote:Originally posted by monomaniac

The first 50 (fifty) 1964 Avantis were built with round headlights.
All other conjecture is irrelevant.

I thought that the first 84 1964 Avantis were built with round headlights (bezels) - serial number 4808 through 4891.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

[Mark57]

Well, I know for a fact that all of the '64 C-Cabs were built with the round headlamps... [}][:0][)]


<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island Chapter
http://visdc.shawwebspace.ca/ </h5>

[BShaw]

I probably obtained the photo back in late 2003 when beginning to develop the site. At the time, I did not think it important to keep track of the sources of the pics. Something in the back of my head tells me that I may have originally labeled it as 63, because of the round headlamps, but was subsequently corrected. I dunno.

If nothing else, think of it as a "nugget" on the SDC site designed to spark spirited discussion years later! There may be more!

BShaw, Webmaster
webmaster@studebakerdriversclub.com
Woodbury, Minnesota