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bams50
07-28-2009, 10:08 PM
As a lot of you know, I have a roof off a 62 2dr. HT Daytona that was completely shot. I have a solid factory 4-speed Daytona body that I intend to make an R2 5-speed; and I had planned to put the Skytop roof on that.

I also have the same car with 259 Auto and P/S that's a pretty sweet little car. Engine's stuck and front fenders have rust, but the rest of the car is pretty nice- excellent frame and floors, perfect dash, door panels, and headliner. Once running this car would need seat covers, maybe carpet, fenders fixed, and paint.

Currently I'm stalled due to business finance concerns, but that doesn't mean I'm not planning. Lately I've been thinking about building the R2 with it's factory top, and putting the Skytop roof on the tamer version. My thinking is the open roof would be more enjoyable on that car, while the R2 car would have enough entertainment on board already;). Of course, it might be really cool to have both the "muscle car" and the open top in one...

The 259 has a perfect headliner, and it would be a shame to mess with that; not to mention messing with all the other roof-related items that otherwise don't need any attention. But I'm picturing it in it's original Desert Tan with wide whites and white Skytop...[:X]

So you see my dilemma. Just for the fun of it, what would you do?

Here's the Tan car in question:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/bams50/003-1.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/bams50/004.jpg

Not exactly an earth-moving decision, but might be fun to discuss:)

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131

Skinnys Garage
07-29-2009, 12:25 AM
I'd lean toward putting the skytop on the 259 car. With the nice options it already has, it would be a very nice car to cruise in with the open roof. The R2 car would be cool with a skytop too, but I like my muscle cars with closed tops. Not that I would kick one out of the garage or anything, but I think muscle cars lose a little something if they are in convertible form. It's just a little bit too much going on at once or something, I'm not sure what it is, just my opinion.

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Skinny
Watertown, SD

JGK 940
07-29-2009, 12:34 AM
R2s are for going fast. Skytops are for enjoying the scenery.

Hilo votes to transplant the trick roof onto the 259. Too bad headliners are so fragile, but... oh well...

Keoni Dibelka / HiloFoto
In Hawai'i; on Hawai'i; on the Windward Side
If da salt air never chew 'em up bumbye da lava will...

Michidan
07-29-2009, 07:58 AM
Which one will you drive more in the inclement New York weather?
I'd put the skytop on my summer only car.

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bams50
07-29-2009, 08:23 AM
quote:Originally posted by Michidan

Which one will you drive more in the inclement New York weather?
I'd put the skytop on my summer only car.



LOL! In NY EVERY Stude is a Summer only car[xx(]

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131

Swifster
07-29-2009, 09:09 AM
Bob, put the Skytop in the Daytona. It's not going to be original anyway so go out and enjoy the power and the scenery. Let's face it, power is seductive and you'll be in the Daytona every chance you get. Pop the top on it.

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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

1964 Studebaker Commander 170-1V, 3-speed w/OD (Cost to Date: $623.67)

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wpsrea
07-29-2009, 09:11 AM
Bob,

R2 and "skytop". Just think of the sound of the SC with that roof open. Now that is great fun. Fix the 259 and move it on.

r1lark
07-29-2009, 10:35 AM
I agree with Swifster - put the Skytop in the car with the R2!!!

Paul
Winston-Salem, NC
Visit The NEW Studebaker Skytop Registry website at: www.studebakerskytop.com

candbstudebakers
07-29-2009, 10:59 AM
put the sky top in the junk pile, has any one every had one that doesn't leak? what support will you have if put in the hard top no post support, now all you need is a large hole in the middle of your roof. I know I will get blasted for talking the way I feel but that's life, every one to their own , you like it Bob go for it but it is like building a clone of something that it is not. you saw the 56 golden hawk in Cedar Rapids with the really large sky top in it what a waste of a good 56 golden hawk, I have customs, clones, originals, junkers, ect. so do what ever you like and enjoy the project and the out come...Bob

Bob Peterson / C & B Studebakers

Castro Valley, CA

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sweetolbob
07-29-2009, 11:27 AM
Sorry to disappoint you Bob P. but I totally agree with you about installing the skyroof.

I'd leave the roof on the R2 solid and build that girl to the hilt.[^]

Put the hole in the parade car or the one that is seldom driven if you don't want to toss it.

High speed cars don't need tops that can't maintain their integrity if they end up on them.

Bob

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wpsrea
07-29-2009, 12:24 PM
There is a lot of concern about putting the R2 on it's roof. I supose it is possible. It is with anything. I think Bams said he was going use the R2 as a fun performance ride and not a racer. Also, it is not like giving it to an inexperienced driver. Remember Bams and Super Modifieds. Besides if you could always build a cage for it following the roof lines. Not like you be ruining a "one of" something.

bams50
07-29-2009, 01:47 PM
Bob P., you make some good points; but be assured that I am under no illusion that it would be practical for any regular use. With either car, I'm talking a couple drives per week during the season, maybe not even every week, and then maybe 6 months out of the year. I'm sure they're leaky and noisy, and a PITA to use much. Same can be said for convertibles. My cars sit in the garage when the weather's not nice anyway; my convertibles usually spend the entire Summer with the top down, and don't go out if there's rain.

Still, I like the looks of an open Skytop, and love an open car for the occasional cruise. I looked several times at that Skytop GH; I loved the concept, but passed because of condition.

I think one or the other will get the roof for three reasons:

1. I like Skytops
2. I am able to change roofs correctly
3. I already have it, and paid a ton of money for it[:I]

I'm enjoying hearing what you all think. Keep 'em coming, and thanks![8D]



Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131

sweetolbob
07-29-2009, 01:48 PM
Don't think I said anything about building a race car. My point about weakening the top was a realization that not many of us are going to add 300 HP or more to a vehicle and not enjoy the fruits of our labor.

I'm sure BAMS knows what can happen in an instant from his racing days.

We have had a few incidents recently with Studes not doing a great job of protecting there valuble contents in accidents.

All I'm saying is don't weaken the already tenuious ability of a great car to protect you in an unplanned event.

Bob

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh263/sweetolbob/P1000416.jpg?t=1227109182

studegary
07-29-2009, 03:14 PM
Bob P. - I have owned Studebaker Skytops for many years (more than ten). Neither leaked a drop, whether driving them or having them sit out in rain storms or in melting snow/ice for months at a time.

I have owned two Skytop hardtops and one Studebaker convertible and many other convertibles. I prefer a hardtop with the windows all "hardtoped" and the Skytop open to any of the convertibles, with the possible exception of my Corvette.

Bob A. - Put the Skytop in whatever you want. I think that the R2 will be the car that you will want to play with and enjoy the most, so I would say to put the Skytop in that one.



Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

buddymander
07-29-2009, 04:05 PM
Put all of your coolest stuff in one car and get rid of the rest of the junk so you can concentrate on finishing one project.

63t-cab
07-29-2009, 04:43 PM
You have the body skills,"so what buddymander said is the deal!

Joseph R. Zeiger

4961Studebaker
07-30-2009, 02:45 PM
Someone say skytop!...........cut here, here, and...[:0].....never mind [:o)][:o)][:o)] [8D]

[8D] I say Skytop the R2 car, its going to be the car your going to enjoy driving the most.

Its your chance to make one (1) car, with all the features YOU find most desirable wrapped up in one package!


:D keep the metal slug after you cut it out, just incase you change your mind. [:0] :( And install a receiver hitch so you can tow the car dolly. [:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)]


Edit: Never mind,

ChopStu
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bams50
07-30-2009, 09:30 PM
Another member (too shy to post here) made an excellent point: When it comes time to sell, most muscle-car buyers won't care, or maybe even be turned off by the Skytop; and a buyer of a stock 259/Auto/PS car would be much more likely to appreciate, and pay a premium for it. Still thinking though- I've got time[B)]

Kevin- there would be no "slug". The only way to do it properly is to change the whole roof: separate at the spot welds in the rear, and cut and butt-weld the A-pillar. Not a hard job; 80% of it is careful prep and measuring.

So, what did you edit to "never mind"?? Got me curious...

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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warrlaw1
07-31-2009, 10:17 AM
The "sun roof" in my Legend Coupe only gets opened up to let the heat out before I move forward. With all of the ventilation and circulation designed into most cars, open roof holes are more of an after thought for cosmetic purposes, sort of a poor-man's convertible. They don't seem to contribute to the cooling down or air flow in the cab, once you are underway. Ever seen someone's hair hanging out a sun roof? Ever seen anyone through a lit cigarette out of a sun roof? Ever seen the tossed cigarette get caught in the hair out the sun roof? aaarrgh!

silverhawk
07-31-2009, 11:20 AM
R2 in the skytop, it would be pretty cool I think.

Dylan Wills

'61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon

studegary
07-31-2009, 02:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by warrlaw1

The "sun roof" in my Legend Coupe only gets opened up to let the heat out before I move forward. With all of the ventilation and circulation designed into most cars, open roof holes are more of an after thought for cosmetic purposes, sort of a poor-man's convertible. They don't seem to contribute to the cooling down or air flow in the cab, once you are underway. Ever seen someone's hair hanging out a sun roof? Ever seen anyone through a lit cigarette out of a sun roof? Ever seen the tossed cigarette get caught in the hair out the sun roof? aaarrgh!


You are comparing apples and oranges here.
I have owned many modern cars with sunroofs, including three this month, and two Studebakers with Skytops. The Skytop opening is much larger than the opening that you get with a modern sun roof. The biggest difference is that Studebakers, up to 1966, did not have flow through ventilation. All modern cars have a very good flow through ventilation system.
On modern cars, I use the tilt up feature to help exhaust air, but rarely fully open the sun roof. The one exception is when we go to outdoor concerts we stay in the car and open the windows and the sunroof to get the air and listen to the live music. I prefer the seats in my Acura to sitting on the grass or a folding chair for hours.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

4961Studebaker
07-31-2009, 03:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50


Kevin- there would be no "slug". The only way to do it properly is to change the whole roof: separate at the spot welds in the rear, and cut and butt-weld the A-pillar. Not a hard job; 80% of it is careful prep and measuring.

So, what did you edit to "never mind"?? Got me curious...


Actually I was going to mention almost exactly what you mentioned about resale, My personal opinion would be that I wouldn't want to mess with a skytop in a sportier car, even though I appreciate their uniqueness. And if its your dream car you should make it.
And as stated, a potential buyer may just want a cruising car with the skytop and potentially be turned off or feel they were having to pay extra for the muscle.

What the shy emailer e-mailed you makes perfect sense, you could sky top the one car, sell it and fund your R2

Take lots of pictures of the cutting [:0] and carnage [:0] and finished product [:p][:p] when the time comes.

Oh, and still plan on a hitch, you never know what ebay item you'll drag home. ;)[:o)]

ChopStu
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4961Studebaker
07-31-2009, 03:23 PM
Were Skytops only offered on Hardtops? Were they available on Sedans, 4dr, 2dr.

warrlaw1
07-31-2009, 03:46 PM
Well, Gary, I never had a Stude sky-top, so I take your word for it. I got a nasty surprise the first time I braked after a rain with the sun roof open on the Legend.... a lap full of cold water! ..and when the police man pulls me over and smoke is billowing out the blow hole...

Bill Pressler
07-31-2009, 03:48 PM
quote:Originally posted by 4961Studebaker

Were Skytops only offered on Hardtops? Were they available on Sedans, 4dr, 2dr.




Although most Skytops were installed in Lark hardtops, they were also available on two- and four-door sedans. I have only seen two four-door Skytops in person, and one wasn't a factory installation. Very rare.

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1
'64 Daytona Hardtop

studegary
07-31-2009, 03:53 PM
quote:Originally posted by 4961Studebaker

Were Skytops only offered on Hardtops? Were they available on Sedans, 4dr, 2dr.




No, Skytops were not only offered on hardtops. I believe that they were most common on hardtops.
Skytops were offered for the 1961-1963 model years on hardtops, two door sedans and four door sedans (including Cruiser), but not on station wagons, Hawks or Avantis.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

4961Studebaker
07-31-2009, 04:01 PM
Thanks Gary, I knew the years, but only seem to see photo's of them on Hardtop cars. Good to know.

ChopStu
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