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63larkcustom
07-23-2009, 11:58 PM
I'm starting to plan for the interior of my 59 2 door. Does anyone have pictures of the interior, specifically the seats? Thanks in advance.
Bob

barnlark
07-24-2009, 12:10 AM
The color, the stitching, the vinyl, the vinyl grain?

Warren Webb
07-24-2009, 12:11 AM
Which model, deluxe or regal? sedan or hardtop? (or wagon)

60 Lark convertible
61 Champ
62 Daytona convertible
63 G.T. R-2,4 speed
63 Avanti (2)
66 Daytona Sport Sedan

63larkcustom
07-24-2009, 12:15 AM
Its a deluxe 2 door sedan. The seats have been recovered over time with brown Naugahyde. The dash is padded and was dyed to match the nauga. I'm not sure which way the car came cloth or vinyl. The exterior is Tahiti Coral. I'd like to see the design (pleats, how the upholstery was laid out, etc. The door panels are intact and have a patterned vinyl on the top, flat vinyl int he center and vinyl on the bottom. Thanks again. Bob

63larkcustom
07-24-2009, 12:18 AM
this is how it is currently.
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m190/63larkcustom/tplarkupdates/72360022.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m190/63larkcustom/tplarkupdates/72360021.jpg
Thanks again.
Bob

barnlark
07-24-2009, 12:27 AM
Do you want it stock eventually? Here is my 1960 Regal. Seats have 2 inch pleats.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/DSCN0058.jpg

barnlark
07-24-2009, 12:33 AM
Here is the beautiful '59 2 door wagon at Cedar Rapids.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/DSCN2359.jpg

63larkcustom
07-24-2009, 12:34 AM
Thanks for the picture. I'm trying to keep it as stock as possible. On the deluxe, were the seats pleasted?

barnlark
07-24-2009, 12:39 AM
StudeRich really knows this stuff. The Regals were pleated if all vinyl, but there were fabric versions, too. Not sure about the Deluxe vinyl, but I think they had the 2" pleat for the seats.You really need your purchase order to make that decision if you want it stock.

Edit: I looked for my 1959 brochure to confirm interior options, but those can't be trusted for color and authenticity anyway. The pleats were the same. I thought fabric seats were not pleated in 1959 or 1960, but they were. The body parts books are good for the Deluxe versus Regal differences. You can probably call SASCO and find '59 door panels of some color and dye them. If you are keeping the original exterior color, which is a cool, classic look, I'd be tempted to do the interior in black and paint the metal interior window trim either body color, or black including the dash to contrast that Tahiti Coral.

8E45E
07-24-2009, 03:14 AM
quote:Originally posted by 63larkcustom

Thanks for the picture. I'm trying to keep it as stock as possible. On the deluxe, were the seats pleasted?


No..they were not pleated on Deluxes.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2422/3751028531_4abbf2ebe5_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2489/3751818556_4dcd8eeb89_b.jpg

Craig

62champ
07-24-2009, 08:26 AM
Bob,

Here are a couple of pics of my '60 W4 with its original interior. The car only has 51k miles and I know they are correct (the fabric is black - but 50 years of age and the flash make them look more gray...). I think '59 and '60 had similar if not identical seats (with some changes in color and types of vinyl/fabric)

Looking at the brochure above - they did not have a red/black combo in 1959, but you get the idea. Actually, the brochure shows the deluxe wagon only covers - I think SASCO had a whole front seat covered with that in green or blue - amazing after 50 years...

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/60%20W4/DSC02920.jpg

and rear

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/60%20W4/DSC02919.jpg

You might have some luck at SASCO, but they do not have time/personnel to go looking through thousands of boxes of seat covers if it is not where the computer says they are. Back in June I was able to find a front and rear bench cover for my car but once you go past 63/64 it becomes pretty limited. I also wanted to find a blue drivers side door panel for a '62 four door deluxe lark - tons of green but no blues...[xx(]

It looks like your car had the padded dash - that would be a Regal option (I believe) so maybe your car did have the pleated seats - maybe the cloth?

<div align="left">1960 Lark VI</div id="left"> <div align="right">1962 7E7-122</div id="right">
[img=left]http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/8b0ac4c6.jpg[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/DSC02237.jpg[/img=right]

barnlark
07-24-2009, 09:17 AM
I guess I've never seen an original Deluxe all vinyl seat in a '59 or '60 Lark without pleats..all smooth. [:0] I've only seen either pleated vinyl, or like the pictures above, with a fabric vinyl combo that was smooth. Anyone have an original seat that was all vinyl?
My '59 brochures say no pleats for Deluxes, too, but I've never seen an original example except in print...not at SASCO either. I need to go back and search those out and see if there are any pleated cloth seats. I've never seen those type of covers. Every all vinyl, smooth seat I've ever seen were someone's reupholster job. You can tell by the back of the seat, usually.

62champ
07-24-2009, 09:24 AM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

I guess I've never seen an original Deluxe all vinyl seat in a '59 or '60 Lark without pleats..all smooth. [:0]


A couple of years ago the Keystone Chapter had a '60 Lark for their raffle car. SASCO was able to find a full set of '60 vinyl seat covers in the original green - they were flat but had a die-electric pattern in them that looked like the same stitching one might see in a rolled seat cover. Not sure if that would have been true for '59.

Is it possible they had a pleated cloth option in 1960?

<div align="left">1960 Lark VI</div id="left"> <div align="right">1962 7E7-122</div id="right">
[img=left]http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/8b0ac4c6.jpg[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/DSC02237.jpg[/img=right]

8E45E
07-24-2009, 09:24 AM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

I guess I've never seen an original Deluxe all vinyl seat in a '59 or '60 Lark without pleats..all smooth. [:0] I've only seen either pleated vinyl, or like the pictures above, with a fabric vinyl combo that was smooth. Anyone have an original seat that was all vinyl?


Only in a Fleet/Taxicab; and it was the heavier stock vinyl. According to the upholstery chart for 1959, the all-vinyl option was only available on Regal models.

Craig

barnlark
07-24-2009, 09:37 AM
I see it says vinyl as optional at an extra cost on other models. I've never seen that thicker grain naugahyde. Cool. The vinyl grain in those sample pictures are not what the grain looks like in any '59-'60 seat covers I have here at my house, or have seen. That's why those books and brochures are not always exact help. You throw in mid-season additions and subtractions and it really gets confusing.

Skinnys Garage
07-24-2009, 09:37 AM
This probably won't be much help, but my '59 Regal has original 2" pleated cloth and my '60 Marshal (fleet car) has the original heavy duty vinyl without pleats, but has an embossed pleated pattern (about 1.5").

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/my59Lark.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD

barnlark
07-24-2009, 09:39 AM
Great Scott! Let's see 'em. The Marshal would be a fleet, so that makes sense.

62champ
07-24-2009, 10:12 AM
Not trying to jump of topic - Barnlark, was the two-tone wheel standard or an option for the Regal interior in 1960?

<div align="left">1960 Lark VI</div id="left"> <div align="right">1962 7E7-122</div id="right">
[img=left]http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/8b0ac4c6.jpg[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/DSC02237.jpg[/img=right]

Skinnys Garage
07-24-2009, 10:48 AM
Here's a close-up of my blue '59 Regal seat pattern and my green '60 Marshal vinyl pattern. Neither one is "photo shoot" ready for a complete interior shot![B)] The pattern on the Marshal is carried over to the door panels, but is only one inch instead of the 1.5" like on the seats. The cloth on the mid-door section is smooth on the Regal with 2" pleats on the seats. The bottoms of the door panels are dark blue to match the dash and have a continuous rectangle pattern embossed in. Also, if anybody is digging around at SASCO and finds ANYTHING with the pattern like my Marshal (seat covers, door panels, or material) please let my know, so I can investigate further. Thanks in advance.
http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/regalinterior.jpg
http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/marshalinterior.jpg

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/my59Lark.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD

barnlark
07-24-2009, 11:31 AM
Good reference shots, Scott. Knew they existed, just hadn't ever seen any that weren't smoked and replaced. Those cloth pleated seats match the '60 brochure look of the Sandalwood Beige W body car. I've never seen a car with those cloth pleated seats at a show. Neat.

originally posted by 62champ
Not trying to jump of topic - Barnlark, was the two-tone wheel standard or an option for the Regal interior in 1960?

Not an expert, just armed with optional fact sheets, but depends on what the interior & exterior color combos were, I think. Most black and white interiors had black dashes and all black wheels. If your car was Regal Colonial Red, as an option you could get a velvet black and colonial red deluxe wheel, but I doubt it was a standard combo, just available. Notice the use of deluxe there? The upgraded two tone wheel options & also with a chrome horn ring, were called deluxe, IIRC. What fun reading. So, yes, the deluxe wheel was standard (option code 57) on all Regal 1960 Larks and Hawk Sport Coupes and optional on all others with the exception of the Taxis according to my handy dandy 1960 option sheet.

This is my new wheel combo. I like it with my interior, but a White Sand color combo didn't happen until 1962 wheels. Should have been in 1960, IMO. [8D]

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh48/newshooter44/DSCN2099.jpg

62champ
07-24-2009, 11:49 AM
Barnlark,

Only reason I was asking is because the current wheel in my car (PO found an NOS one in 2004 and thought it would good in the car) would fit your convertible pretty well.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/DSC01981.jpg

However, looks like you have the two-tone wheel figured out...


<div align="left">1960 Lark VI</div id="left"> <div align="right">1962 7E7-122</div id="right">
[img=left]http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/8b0ac4c6.jpg[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/DSC02237.jpg[/img=right]

barnlark
07-24-2009, 12:14 PM
It does look good. I really wanted that original combo first. I painted it a color I thought was close to look like yours, but the color had much more orange than my car's red paint and didn't look right at all. That looks more orange tinted than the original Colonial Red, too. Maybe it's just the flash. Anyway, I then painted the wheel all black, over tightened it trying to fit the column better, and had to waste it to get it off. Found the other wheel at South Bend in May. Are you wishing to sell it? Is it repainted, or original?
Another note..1959-1960 body and interior paint was called Velvet Black, while the steering wheels were called Midnight Black. Makes you go, hmmm every time. ;)

StudeRich
07-24-2009, 03:29 PM
Bob; if your '59 Lark Deluxe had been ordered like most, it would have a Vinyl Interior, Craigs '59 Interior Folder is great for the Material, but does anyone have a Picture of the Original '59 Deluxe Vinyl Seat, for the pattern design?

The '60 Lark Deluxes (and '60 Champ's) had the exact Vinyl, with simulated pleats like Skinny's Police Marshal has, this one MAY be extra thick, Deluxes would not be, Deluxes were Standard thickness, thinner in the machine presses.

I do not know if that is the heavy Duty Vinyl like a HD Sedan, Marshal or Taxi SHOULD have had though, I am thinking it could have been replaced, not knowing it's history.

StudeRich

8E45E
07-24-2009, 06:25 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

Bob; if your '59 Lark Deluxe had been ordered like most, it would have a Vinyl Interior, Craigs '59 Interior Folder is great for the Material, but does anyone have a Picture of the Original '59 Deluxe Vinyl Seat, for the pattern design?



Would it not be the same as the Deluxe station wagon swatches as shown on the right of that above chart?

Craig

Skinnys Garage
07-24-2009, 07:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich
The '60 Lark Deluxes (and '60 Champ's) had the exact Vinyl, with simulated pleats like Skinny's Police Marshal has, this one MAY be extra thick, Deluxes would not be, Deluxes were Standard thickness, thinner in the machine presses.

I do not know if that is the heavy Duty Vinyl like a HD Sedan, Marshal or Taxi SHOULD have had though, I am thinking it could have been replaced, not knowing it's history.

StudeRich


I'm fairly confident that this is the original interior (it shows!). My friend bought this in the early seventies, so I know a pretty good portion of it's history, but anything with these old Studes is possible. The production order only shows heavy duty foam cushions in the front (still there) and extra spring ties in the seat bottom for extra support. It doesn't show anything about heavy vinyl though (doesn't seem any thicker than normal, but my finger micrometer might need calibrating!). The interior code 14 is 532B GRV 3. I believe the '60 wagon that Bams just sold had the exact interior that my car has from looking at the pictures (color and all). Thanks for the info about the pattern Rich, it would be great if that design is common enough for reproduction material or better yet NOS panels. I know this isn't helping on the original question about '59 deluxe interiors, but I've got a couple other cars that I'll try and check out in the next couple of weeks.

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/my59Lark.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD

raprice
07-24-2009, 07:26 PM
Bob,
As you probably have fathomed by now, your Deluxe Lark didn't come with pleated upholstery. It usually had the combination of vinyl & cloth. Nice looking though.
It looks like the chrome horn ring was bought as an option. I don't think the Deluxe had the horn ring, just a horn button.
Enjoy the car.
I love my Lark.
Rog

'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop
Smithtown,NY

8E45E
07-24-2009, 08:57 PM
quote:Originally posted by raprice

Bob,
As you probably have fathomed by now, your Deluxe Lark didn't come with pleated upholstery. It usually had the combination of vinyl & cloth. Nice looking though.



Take a look under your front seat for a metal tag looped around one of the coil springs. I believe it will have a part number along with the 'F4' designation on it. The part number will state if it had a cloth & vinyl interior.

Craig

barnlark
07-24-2009, 10:36 PM
This has been fun to research, Bob.
Craig, that '59 swatch folder is a really terrific item to have. It contradicts the body parts book information. It clearly says that Deluxe 2 door sedans had the cloth and vinyl seat cover option. You are correct, that metal tag should have all of the info on it, too I saved mine, but it's a 1960.
In the body parts book I couldn't find any instance of cloth w/vinyl door accessories to go with a 1959 F body that might indicate your seat covers came in both cloth and vinyl, Bob. 1960 was the first year for that. They don't list the actual seat covers in anything but vinyl for that particular 1959 car and only full rubber mats for the floors. No carpet option for 1959 F bodies. Real stripped down cars, those 2 door sedans. The upper and lower dash pads were an option, however. It will be interesting to see how it was outfitted. It's always a never say never adventure in Studedom.
As usual, if one paid for anything they perhaps got it, but the 1959 F body was for the lowest of the lowest maintenance-type CASB.
Only your P.O. or that metal tag (if it's the original seat!) can provide your original factory build data for those seats (and the entire car) since there were some optional upper trim equipment that was available to be shared on the F body.

63larkcustom
07-25-2009, 05:26 AM
Thank you all for such thorough information. I'm ordering a build sheet as I'm curious myself now. Should be a few weeks and I'll have the sheet.

bams50
07-25-2009, 06:06 AM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

In the body parts book I couldn't find any instance of cloth w/vinyl door accessories to go with a 1959 F body that might indicate your seat covers came in both cloth and vinyl, Bob. 1960 was the first year for that. They don't list the actual seat covers in anything but vinyl for that particular 1959 car and only full rubber mats for the floors. No carpet option for 1959 F bodies. Real stripped down cars, those 2 door sedans. The upper and lower dash pads were an option, however.

This thread made me go out and check my 59 Deluxe 2dsd. It has the same blue cloth as Skinny's with the base door panels and rubber mats, and no dash pads. If I redo this car I'd like to go with the same material, but with Regal door panels, padded dash and carpet.

Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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raprice
07-25-2009, 02:48 PM
Hotwheels, boy what a treasure trove you have there. It's a terrific source of info. Where did you find it?
Rog

'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop
Smithtown,NY

StudeRich
07-25-2009, 02:54 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

This thread made me go out and check my 59 Deluxe 2dsd. It has the same blue cloth as Skinny's

Ah, Bob the pleated cloth seat is Sonny's REGAL '59 Lark, so if you have that in your '59S-F4, I guess Peterson "upgraded" just the seats for for you! [:0]

StudeRich

barnlark
07-25-2009, 04:05 PM
Mike, do you guys have the 1959 version of that book anywhere? Boy, what a difference in 1960 for those samples. Lets face it, full seat sets can be swapped in less than an hour, so who knows how many were upgraded along the way. Purchase orders are terrific for that very reason.

8E45E
07-25-2009, 04:52 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

Mike, do you guys have the 1959 version of that book anywhere? Boy, what a difference in 1960 for those samples. Lets face it, full seat sets can be swapped in less than an hour, so who knows how many were upgraded along the way. Purchase orders are terrific for that very reason.


That one above I posted IS the 1959 version!:)

Craig

JDP
07-25-2009, 05:01 PM
I can make all vinyl covers with 2 inch machine stitched pleats for $350. or heat seated 1 1/2 inch for $250. I could also do cloth inserts, but not factory cloth.

JDP/Maryland

8E45E
07-25-2009, 11:32 PM
quote:Originally posted by 62champ
Here are a couple of pics of my '60 W4 with its original interior.

Since we are on the subject of early Lark Deluxes with the optional vinyl interiors, I have a rear seat backrest I saved from a 1961 W4 parts car. Aside from the very top, which was is sunbaked, it is in remarkably good shape; especially the unique diamond-pattern texture on the lower portion. The rest of it is your typical common-grain vinyl texture.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/3756197465_fce41c85a8_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3532/3757039850_76cf236aeb_b.jpg

Craig

barnlark
07-26-2009, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by 8E45E
That one above I posted IS the 1959 version!:)

Craig, I meant the whole book he posted. Is yours the binder he has with everything? I thought it was just the swatch folder. Both versions are cool as heck. I've been out bid on those repeatedly every time I try on ebay. :(