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arkiejazz
01-03-2007, 05:48 AM
What a shame that someone didn't take care of this supercharged GT..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rare-Supercharged-R2-Hawk_W0QQitemZ190068430445QQihZ009QQcategoryZ6466QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

steve blake
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BobPalma
01-03-2007, 08:03 AM
:) True, Steve; it needs everything. However, if it is a documented, full-package, Super Red R2/4-speed with the original block, "as advertised," it is one of few Studebakers you could legitimately open your check book to restore and probabaly recoup your investment down the road...perhaps a couple times over. :D

Remember, I still have 1980 photos and correspondence with the owner of one of the seven original 1971 Plymouth Hemi 'cuda convertibles. [:p] I was considering buying it, and it was offered to me for $7,000 [:0]! It was in nice condition, too; "no restoration required."

At the time, it seemed like a lot of money. Well, maybe it was. [:0] BP

BobPalma
01-03-2007, 08:03 AM
:) True, Steve; it needs everything. However, if it is a documented, full-package, Super Red R2/4-speed with the original block, "as advertised," it is one of few Studebakers you could legitimately open your check book to restore and probabaly recoup your investment down the road...perhaps a couple times over. :D

Remember, I still have 1980 photos and correspondence with the owner of one of the seven original 1971 Plymouth Hemi 'cuda convertibles. [:p] I was considering buying it, and it was offered to me for $7,000 [:0]! It was in nice condition, too; "no restoration required."

At the time, it seemed like a lot of money. Well, maybe it was. [:0] BP

DEEPNHOCK
01-03-2007, 08:22 AM
Is that the 'correct' shifter?
I don't know, and am just curious.....
http://i4.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/81/d7/98ec_12.JPG
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

:) True, Steve; it needs everything. However, if it is a documented, full-package, Super Red R2/4-speed with the original block, "as advertised," it is one of few Studebakers you could legitimately open your check book to restore and probabaly recoup your investment down the road...perhaps a couple times over. :D


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DEEPNHOCK
01-03-2007, 08:22 AM
Is that the 'correct' shifter?
I don't know, and am just curious.....
http://i4.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/81/d7/98ec_12.JPG
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

:) True, Steve; it needs everything. However, if it is a documented, full-package, Super Red R2/4-speed with the original block, "as advertised," it is one of few Studebakers you could legitimately open your check book to restore and probabaly recoup your investment down the road...perhaps a couple times over. :D


http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/Jeff%20Rice%20Studebaker%20Pictures/1937StudebakerCoupeExpressJeffRicee.jpg

DEEPNHOCK at Gmail.com
Brooklet, Georgia
'37 Coupe Express (never ending project)
'37 Coupe Express Trailer (project)
'61 Hawk (project)
http://community.webshots.com/user/deepnhock

JDP
01-03-2007, 08:46 AM
It is the correct shifter and the car is exactly as presented. Not only a very rare, full package SuperHawk, but a Super red car to boot.I'll be bidding, I think I have time for one more R2 restoration. :)

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Arnold Md.
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64 GT hawk
64 Commander 2 dr.
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
63 Lark 2 door #2
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
01-03-2007, 08:46 AM
It is the correct shifter and the car is exactly as presented. Not only a very rare, full package SuperHawk, but a Super red car to boot.I'll be bidding, I think I have time for one more R2 restoration. :)

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
My Ebay Items
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64 GT hawk
64 Commander 2 dr.
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
63 Lark 2 door #2
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starliner
51 Commander

arkiejazz
01-03-2007, 09:31 AM
Oh, i'm sure it's a worthy car. My point was just that it's a shame the car was ever allowed to get so far down[:o)]

steve blake
http://tinyurl.com/kr3gt
http://tinyurl.com/l7oqh

arkiejazz
01-03-2007, 09:31 AM
Oh, i'm sure it's a worthy car. My point was just that it's a shame the car was ever allowed to get so far down[:o)]

steve blake
http://tinyurl.com/kr3gt
http://tinyurl.com/l7oqh

65cruiser
01-03-2007, 10:14 AM
I've never heard of super red before, only resale red:D.


quote:Originally posted by JDP

It is the correct shifter and the car is exactly as presented. Not only a very rare, full package SuperHawk, but a Super red car to boot.I'll be bidding, I think I have time for one more R2 restoration. :)

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1965 Cruiser
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65cruiser
01-03-2007, 10:14 AM
I've never heard of super red before, only resale red:D.


quote:Originally posted by JDP

It is the correct shifter and the car is exactly as presented. Not only a very rare, full package SuperHawk, but a Super red car to boot.I'll be bidding, I think I have time for one more R2 restoration. :)

________________________
Mark Anderson
1965 Cruiser
http://home.alltel.net/anderm

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Guido
01-03-2007, 11:15 AM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma
Remember, I still have 1980 photos and correspondence with the owner of one of the seven original 1971 Plymouth Hemi 'cuda convertibles. [:p] I was considering buying it, and it was offered to me for $7,000 [:0]! It was in nice condition, too; "no restoration required."

At the time, it seemed like a lot of money. Well, maybe it was.
Bob,

In 1979 I was working at the University of Virginia and came to know a temporary worker on the staff. He had a completely restored 1969 Hertz Shelby Mustang that he offered to me for $6500. Would be quite a return on my investment now (unless I had driven it to the point of looking like this Hawk ;)).

Gary

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
01-03-2007, 11:15 AM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma
Remember, I still have 1980 photos and correspondence with the owner of one of the seven original 1971 Plymouth Hemi 'cuda convertibles. [:p] I was considering buying it, and it was offered to me for $7,000 [:0]! It was in nice condition, too; "no restoration required."

At the time, it seemed like a lot of money. Well, maybe it was.
Bob,

In 1979 I was working at the University of Virginia and came to know a temporary worker on the staff. He had a completely restored 1969 Hertz Shelby Mustang that he offered to me for $6500. Would be quite a return on my investment now (unless I had driven it to the point of looking like this Hawk ;)).

Gary

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Roscomacaw
01-03-2007, 12:02 PM
Man - just how many more obscure Studes have yet to crawl out of the woodwork??? I think we HAVE TO credit ebay for saving and revealing some of this stuff. Stuff like this Hawk, 58 Packards and the like.[:0]

The survival rate of some of these limited production Stude products has to rival or even surpass some of the more vaunted BrandX notables.[^]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
01-03-2007, 12:02 PM
Man - just how many more obscure Studes have yet to crawl out of the woodwork??? I think we HAVE TO credit ebay for saving and revealing some of this stuff. Stuff like this Hawk, 58 Packards and the like.[:0]

The survival rate of some of these limited production Stude products has to rival or even surpass some of the more vaunted BrandX notables.[^]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

JDP
01-03-2007, 01:11 PM
Super red was only available on Superlarks/Hawks.

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JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
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My Ebay Items
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64 GT hawk
64 Commander 2 dr.
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
63 Lark 2 door #2
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
01-03-2007, 01:11 PM
Super red was only available on Superlarks/Hawks.

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
My Ebay Items
http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

64 GT hawk
64 Commander 2 dr.
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
63 Lark 2 door #2
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starliner
51 Commander

58PackardWagon
01-03-2007, 01:25 PM
I am restoring its twin right now, except that it is a super red Lark. I wish I could figure out how to post pictures. I would share some.

58PackardWagon
01-03-2007, 01:25 PM
I am restoring its twin right now, except that it is a super red Lark. I wish I could figure out how to post pictures. I would share some.

BobPalma
01-03-2007, 04:19 PM
[quote]Originally posted by JDP

Super red was only available on Superlarks/Hawks.

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JDP
******************************************

[:0] Be careful with that word only, John! True: Technically you had to order a full high-performance package (i.e, a genuine Super Lark or Super Hawk) to be able to order Super Red.

BUT there is at least one documented exception extant and in good condition: The factory Super Red 1963 1/2 Standard R2/4-Speed 2-door owned by Nelson Bove. ;) It is not a full package car and the full package was allegedly not available on Standards, so there would have been "no way" a Standard could have left the factory in Super Red.

HOWEVER, Nelson's car is well-documented to have been special-ordered in Super Red by a Studebaker employee. ;) Lest anyone thinks that's a tall story or the documentation is bogus, cousin George Krem and I saw that very car in a Studebaker employee parking lot in South Bend in the summer of 1963, when it was brand new...and, boy, did we examine it closely at the time. For us, it represented the pinnacle of what we would have ordered for go-fast with light weight. [:p]:D[:p]

Yes, I hope someone does a high-dollar restoration on this Super Red Super Hawk. StudeBob is right; e-bay has done a lot to bring these cars out of the woodwork...and with scrap now closing in on $150 a ton, per junk yard reports, we ought to be darn glad these cars are winding up on e-bay instead of being recycled into green bean cans...or worse. [:0] BP

BobPalma
01-03-2007, 04:19 PM
[quote]Originally posted by JDP

Super red was only available on Superlarks/Hawks.

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
JDP
******************************************

[:0] Be careful with that word only, John! True: Technically you had to order a full high-performance package (i.e, a genuine Super Lark or Super Hawk) to be able to order Super Red.

BUT there is at least one documented exception extant and in good condition: The factory Super Red 1963 1/2 Standard R2/4-Speed 2-door owned by Nelson Bove. ;) It is not a full package car and the full package was allegedly not available on Standards, so there would have been "no way" a Standard could have left the factory in Super Red.

HOWEVER, Nelson's car is well-documented to have been special-ordered in Super Red by a Studebaker employee. ;) Lest anyone thinks that's a tall story or the documentation is bogus, cousin George Krem and I saw that very car in a Studebaker employee parking lot in South Bend in the summer of 1963, when it was brand new...and, boy, did we examine it closely at the time. For us, it represented the pinnacle of what we would have ordered for go-fast with light weight. [:p]:D[:p]

Yes, I hope someone does a high-dollar restoration on this Super Red Super Hawk. StudeBob is right; e-bay has done a lot to bring these cars out of the woodwork...and with scrap now closing in on $150 a ton, per junk yard reports, we ought to be darn glad these cars are winding up on e-bay instead of being recycled into green bean cans...or worse. [:0] BP

JDP
01-03-2007, 04:54 PM
I knew that,( Should have said "technically not available"):) BTW, I though a full package standard was built too.

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JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
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My Ebay Items
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64 GT hawk
64 Commander 2 dr.
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
63 Lark 2 door #2
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
01-03-2007, 04:54 PM
I knew that,( Should have said "technically not available"):) BTW, I though a full package standard was built too.

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
My Ebay Items
http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

64 GT hawk
64 Commander 2 dr.
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
63 Lark 2 door #2
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starliner
51 Commander

8E45E
01-03-2007, 05:26 PM
HOWEVER, Nelson's car is well-documented to have been special-ordered in Super Red by a Studebaker employee. ;) Lest anyone thinks that's a tall story or the documentation is bogus, cousin George Krem and I saw that very car in a Studebaker employee parking lot in South Bend in the summer of 1963, when it was brand new...and, boy, did we examine it closely at the time. For us, it represented the pinnacle of what we would have ordered for go-fast with light weight. [:p]:D[:p]

Yes, Bob, you mentioned that in September, 1980, long before the term "Matching numbers" became a part of 'old-car' vocabulary. I would loved to have been on a plant tour and getting 'lost' with you and George. Closest I got to a 'plant tour' not counting my Urban Exploration self tours in the vacant buildings was the Avanti plant in '83 when it was still in South Bend.:D

Craig

8E45E
01-03-2007, 05:26 PM
HOWEVER, Nelson's car is well-documented to have been special-ordered in Super Red by a Studebaker employee. ;) Lest anyone thinks that's a tall story or the documentation is bogus, cousin George Krem and I saw that very car in a Studebaker employee parking lot in South Bend in the summer of 1963, when it was brand new...and, boy, did we examine it closely at the time. For us, it represented the pinnacle of what we would have ordered for go-fast with light weight. [:p]:D[:p]

Yes, Bob, you mentioned that in September, 1980, long before the term "Matching numbers" became a part of 'old-car' vocabulary. I would loved to have been on a plant tour and getting 'lost' with you and George. Closest I got to a 'plant tour' not counting my Urban Exploration self tours in the vacant buildings was the Avanti plant in '83 when it was still in South Bend.:D

Craig

BobPalma
01-03-2007, 06:02 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

I knew that,( Should have said "technically not available"):) BTW, I though a full package standard was built too.

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
My Ebay Items
http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

64 GT hawk
64 Commander 2 dr.
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
63 Lark 2 door #2
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starliner
51 Commander




:) I'm not aware of a full-package Standard having been built, John, but that's not to say it wasn't. ;) One that was built, as I remember while researching, was a plain-jane Blue Mist Standard 2-door with R2/4-speed and NO Twin Traction....yeow! [:0] BP

BobPalma
01-03-2007, 06:02 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

I knew that,( Should have said "technically not available"):) BTW, I though a full package standard was built too.

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
My Ebay Items
http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

64 GT hawk
64 Commander 2 dr.
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
63 Lark 2 door #2
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starliner
51 Commander




:) I'm not aware of a full-package Standard having been built, John, but that's not to say it wasn't. ;) One that was built, as I remember while researching, was a plain-jane Blue Mist Standard 2-door with R2/4-speed and NO Twin Traction....yeow! [:0] BP

JDP
01-03-2007, 06:20 PM
I saw it on ebay, so it must be true.:)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ10076QQihZ014QQitemZ330069274965QQrdZ1

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
My Ebay Items
http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

64 GT hawk
64 Commander 2 dr.
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
63 Lark 2 door #2
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
01-03-2007, 06:20 PM
I saw it on ebay, so it must be true.:)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ10076QQihZ014QQitemZ330069274965QQrdZ1

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
My Ebay Items
http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

64 GT hawk
64 Commander 2 dr.
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
63 Lark 2 door #2
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starliner
51 Commander

BobPalma
01-03-2007, 08:45 PM
:) That's cute, John. I wonder how many thousand of those calendars were printed, and now one of the months is a real collector's item, per this seller. [:0] At least it is Nelson Bove's car. I guess I had better start dismantling old calendars and getting the individual months on e-bay as contemporary works of art. ;)

Were you at the 1992 SDC National Meet in Nashville TN? Nels had that car at the First Unofficial SDC Drag Race. It wasn't running too well that day, as I remember; it hadn't been on the road for awhile. [V] BP

BobPalma
01-03-2007, 08:45 PM
:) That's cute, John. I wonder how many thousand of those calendars were printed, and now one of the months is a real collector's item, per this seller. [:0] At least it is Nelson Bove's car. I guess I had better start dismantling old calendars and getting the individual months on e-bay as contemporary works of art. ;)

Were you at the 1992 SDC National Meet in Nashville TN? Nels had that car at the First Unofficial SDC Drag Race. It wasn't running too well that day, as I remember; it hadn't been on the road for awhile. [V] BP