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jclary
07-11-2009, 10:39 PM
I have a '51 Land Cruiser with aging whitewall tires. These tires have been on the car for about 18 years and need to be replaced. If I buy tires from either Coker or Diamond Brand it will cost me nearly a thousand bucks by the time I have them shipped, mounted and balanced. I have a good friend who is a fleet manager and says he can get me a good set of black walls at a very reasonable price. Any body here on the forum have one of these cars with black wall tires? Your opinions welcomed:):):)
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John Clary
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whacker
07-11-2009, 10:45 PM
I have never done it myself, but I have heard that Coker will deal. Make them an offer about half of list and work from there. It's worth a try.

rockne10
07-11-2009, 10:53 PM
My '51 Commander Starlight State originally had black walls.

I imagine white walls on the Land Cruiser were more a standard than on option. Black walls were certainly available and would not be inappropriate. IMO white walls look more appropriate on that model.

You'll be living with them for at least the next decade. Is your personal happy happy joy joy worth the difference in price divided over ten or more years? It's like ice cream. You don't need it but, you still buy it when you can.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/Rockne/th_Rocknegauges.jpg'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight

BRUCESTUDE
07-11-2009, 10:54 PM
I like the black wall look- I think more Studes had blackwalls, rather than the extra cost whitewalls, back in the day, especially the early 50's....[8D]

Here's mine with chrome non-stock wheels:
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HarryStude
07-11-2009, 11:29 PM
Or if it is a big issue you can buy the porta-walls they are just a white wall that you put on a black wall tire to make it appear as a white wall.

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StudeRich
07-12-2009, 02:09 AM
quote:Originally posted by HarryStude

Or if it is a big issue you can buy the porta-walls they are just a white wall that you put on a black wall tire to make it appear as a white wall.

Those worked back in the day, but you need tubes to keep the air in. Since you can't buy tube type tires, barely can find tubes and Porta Walls are no longer sold, I think you need to just find a better deal, on whitewalls, maybe at Diamondback.

The blackwalls look OK on Chrome Rims, but not so on painted stock ones or on a Land Cruiser.

StudeRich

Metman
07-12-2009, 07:42 AM
My opinion(for what it's worth..) is for whitewalls on your car. Have you tried shopping around the different vendors? I found a significant difference between some of them when I purchased the American Classic radials for my Hawk. Universal had the best price at the time. Something else you can try is to call them and ask if they have any "blems" in what you are looking for. I did this with some Firestone wide whites for my Met awhile back. Could not see anything wrong with them and saved some $$..!
Regards- Matt :)

1963 GT Hawk
1960 Metropolitan Convertible
1972 AMC Javelin/ AMX
1958 Cushman Eagle

50Champ
07-12-2009, 07:43 AM
When I bought my '50 last year it had a set of radials on it with the narrow white walls. The tires are in good shape and I like the look so I'm just going to leave them on it, so there's another option for you....

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1950 Champion 2 Dr. Sedan

lstude
07-12-2009, 08:32 AM
During the Korean War, no whitewalls could be produced, so Studebaker had blackwalls in the ads and brochures, but later in the year they could have whitewalls.

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Chris Pile
07-12-2009, 08:37 AM
quote:
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp318/brucestude/P1010021.jpg


That's a darn nice looking Studebaker.
Love the wheels, by the way!

Chris Pile
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reichsrundfunk
07-12-2009, 08:44 AM
Wow, you're gonna get a real range of replies here. I know that Coker can be a real budget beuter, but for my two cents worth, A Land Cruiser deserves whitewalls. You could go with contemporary (thin) whitewalls, like I did, but in my eyes there oughta be something there more than just black. Bu there's no wrong opinion here, just diverse viewpoints.
-George-
-63 GT Hawk
-63 Champ
-56J
-51 Commander Land Cruiser

60Lark
07-12-2009, 08:51 AM
My 2 cents worth is - blackwall tires look better than any whitewall tire, but that's just me. [8]

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Blue 15G
07-12-2009, 10:41 AM
Back in "the day", blackwall tires were far more common than most people today realize. A lot of people (younger ones, especially) think that all '50s cars had full wheel covers and wide whites, but that's not the way it was!

As for your '51, my humble opinion is that you can't go wrong either way.

Dave Bonn
'54 Champion Starliner

Swifster
07-12-2009, 10:48 AM
I agree that you can't go wrong either way. I think the wide whites were probably few and far bewteen. I'd almost bet your build sheet would show black walls.

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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

1964 Studebaker Commander 170-1V, 3-speed w/OD (Cost to Date: $623.67)

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HarryStude
07-12-2009, 11:16 AM
Actually you can get them again they are big on the rat rod circuit. The new ones are attached to the tire itself not pinched in the rim. Check some of the farm and ranch supply places that sell tires you can buy tube type tires still.

Those worked back in the day, but you need tubes to keep the air in. Since you can't buy tube type tires, barely can find tubes and Porta Walls are no longer sold, I think you need to just find a better deal, on whitewalls, maybe at Diamondback.

The blackwalls look OK on Chrome Rims, but not so on painted stock ones or on a Land Cruiser.

StudeRich
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MyStude_Baker
07-12-2009, 11:17 AM
I have the same conflict. I have a 1951 Land cruiser and need to get tires to get it on the road. Something about driving a car with tires from 1962 just doesn't sound that safe. I bought my car with black wall bias tires. I priced the tires from Coker and there is only a thirty dollar difference between a black wall bias and a wide white wall bias but their still about 150 dollars a tire. My friend has owned his 1951 Land cruiser for a number of years now and he puts on black wall radials, because it gives better performance and less road noise. I guess the decision you have to make is how often will you drive you classic. Tires wire out just as fast at any price range, so if you're going to drive your classic everyday like I'm going to, get the cheepies, save the expensive show tires for the car shows.

1951 Commander Land cruiser

raprice
07-12-2009, 12:03 PM
Bruce, your Commander looks terrific with the blackwalls. I think the key here is to make sure the tires are kept clean. You can even use one of the products that dress up the blackwalls. I have whites on my Lark, but I wouldn't have a problem if the tires were black.
My 2 cents.
Rog

'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop
Smithtown,NY

raprice
07-12-2009, 12:07 PM
Leonard, You're always a wealth of information. I love the side-by-side puctures of the '52, one with and one without whitewalls.
It's true that during the Korean War, you couldn't get WW's. Also, the chrome was inferior too. Most of the restored '51s & '52s needed to have their chrome work redone due to the very thin coating of chrome on them.
Rog

'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop
Smithtown,NY

mapman
07-12-2009, 01:12 PM
Just as an aside, When I replaced the tires on my '51 (I just got the widest white wall radials they had) I noticed the original rims weren't safety rims. I made sure they put tubes in them. The techs working there had never heard of safety rims so I explained to them that as tubless tires became available they found that a curb or pothole could dislodge the bead causing a blowout. Chrysler, IIRC, added the ridges inside the beads that coincidentally also helped to keep the wheelcover on.
This development happened so long ago it is easy to overlook. One more reason to use newer rims.
Rob

jclary
07-12-2009, 04:37 PM
Hey folks,:) I posted this topic last night and went to bed. Today, after church, my wife wanted me to drive her to town so we have just returned home and this is the first time I have had to check the forum today. I am often surprised at what topics take off on the forum. I really appreciate the response and see that I am not alone regarding the situation.:) Another thing I intend to do is take one of the spare rims I have for the land cruiser and see if I can find a modern set of wheels that will fit. I have several nice sets of full wheel covers for this car but have been running the small center caps with beauty rings because the large caps kept walking off. I am thinking that a newer set of wheels will allow me to run the full size wheel covers. I have read this "much discussed" topic and have it in my mind that others have suggested using crown Vic wheels from law enforcement vehicles. Quick question... Are those not too wide for a '51? Should I be looking for wheels from an older Ford LTD passenger car?

John Clary
Greer, SC
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