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Chris Pile
07-11-2009, 09:37 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1957-STUDEBAKER-SILVER-HAWK-50S-ROD-V84B-RARE-FP-HOOD_W0QQitemZ260444918658QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3ca3ba1382&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C39%3A1

Anyone care to comment on the "prototype hood" on this Silver Hawk?

Chris Pile
Editor: The Studebaker Special
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Anne F. Goodman
07-11-2009, 09:41 PM
I really just don't know what to Say about it . It leaves me Speechless.

Mabel 1949 Champion
Hawk 1957 Silverhawk
Gus 1958 Transtar
The Prez 1955 President State
Blu 1957 Golden Hawk
Daisy 1954 Commander Regal Coupe
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jclary
07-11-2009, 09:52 PM
I suppose the superman badge on the glove compartment is also a prototype.

John Clary
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shifter4
07-11-2009, 09:54 PM
Beneath contempt .

acolds
07-11-2009, 10:15 PM
I like white Hawks but this has to many little things that spoil it. Not sure about the first two owners but the present one is as my grandfather use to say is reckless with the truth

StudeRich
07-11-2009, 10:32 PM
No, not still another "ALL Original" Stude.! If that statement was even 85% true it would not be too bad!

Says: "but front seats need fabric replaced on bottom". Well the back seat is all re-upholstered as are door panels, all incorrectly as is the 259 Engine, not available on U.S. built Silver Hawks.

Those hood scoops sure look like the personal '54 Commander that Bob Bourke built though, there could be something to that story, maybe it used to be his, rather than a Factory Prototype. [:0]

StudeRich

N8N
07-12-2009, 12:13 AM
I like Ansens and wide whites, but not at the same time.

nate

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Chris Pile
07-12-2009, 08:43 AM
quote:I like Ansens and wide whites, but not at the same time.


You got that right.
Also, his terminology is off - calling the knock-offs "tribars".
Wonder if he's really a car guy.

Anyone have an idea who the celebrity the seller mentioned might be?

Chris Pile
Editor: The Studebaker Special
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StudHawk60
07-12-2009, 09:10 AM
That oversize tach just destroys the look of the dash, imho.[xx(]

DEEPNHOCK
07-12-2009, 09:54 AM
I have learned to 'Never say never' when it comes to Stude stuff...
But...
His claim that it definitely was a prototype because it was made in South Bend is one that demands some verification of provenance.
I'd want to see the build sheet, or some other kind of proof before buying based on that claim.
(Besides... Other than being an interesting abberation, My opinion is that it detracts from the graceful hood line of a Hawk).
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by Chris Pile
Anyone care to comment on the "prototype hood" on this Silver Hawk?

BobGlasscock
07-12-2009, 10:04 AM
Hey JClary, I thought that "S" badge stood for SSSSilverhawk........

How come no one has mentioned that the wheels/covers on the right side are different from the ones on the left side?

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Roscomacaw
07-12-2009, 10:04 AM
Uhhh.. nice, shiney car.[B)]

I WILL SAY that at first glance (and subsequent ones), those two nubs on the hood harken back to the nose of the earliest Crutiss P-40 Warhawk pursuit planes. These early P-40s had a pair of machine guns mounted in the upper cowling area and there were two blisters that stuck up just behind the rear edge of the prop spinner to accomodate the tips of the barrels. So - Curtiss-Wright, WAR Hawk, Studebaker... it's a stretch, I know.
In this photo you can see the left gun snout and there's an intake scoop that's on the centerline of the cowl - hiding the second gun snout on the right side.

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/curtiss-p-40-warhawk-1.jpg

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1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

52-fan
07-12-2009, 01:15 PM
If the factory tried that hood design, I think we know why it never made production. Those bumps remind me of an alligators snout sticking above the water. I wouldn't mind having that car, but it would get several changes to make me want to drive it. One change would be the wheels.

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N8N
07-12-2009, 01:55 PM
well if you decide to buy the car I'll take those wheels off your hands (you can keep the tires though)

nate

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Lark Hunter
07-12-2009, 01:55 PM
quote:Originally posted by Chris Pile


quote:I like Ansens and wide whites, but not at the same time.


You got that right.
Also, his terminology is off - calling the knock-offs "tribars".
Wonder if he's really a car guy.

Anyone have an idea who the celebrity the seller mentioned might be?

Chris Pile
Editor: The Studebaker Special
http://midwaystudebakers.tripod.com/


Umm... Probably Elvis:D. Looks like he got all the key catch words in there. RARE PROTOTYPE!! ESTATE SALE!! CELEBRITY OWNER!! Wonder why he forgot to mention that it was a BARN FIND!! purchased at an ESTATE SALE!!

LH

hotrodstude
07-12-2009, 03:41 PM
if i remember right i remember seeing the hood"scoops" in a j.c.whitney catalog in the 60's. i could be wrong but i don't think so.

2006,f-150,2x4,v-6,5-speed manual,8ft bed, will post stude info when i get it on the road.

jclary
07-12-2009, 04:57 PM
quote:Originally posted by BobGlasscock

Hey JClary, I thought that "S" badge stood for SSSSilverhawk........

How come no one has mentioned that the wheels/covers on the right side are different from the ones on the left side?

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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So Bob, I guess that over the years I failed to notice any of the articles written about the search for the special factory glove compartment door badge prototype!:)
I know we can get pretty brutal picking apart some of these ads and their sales pitches, but many are deserved. The overriding positive is that at least the cars are still around and have escaped the crusher for the time being.:)

John Clary
Greer, SC
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JBOYLE
07-12-2009, 05:11 PM
Well spotted Mr. Biggs!!!

Without any factory proof thatthe thing was a prototype, I'd buy your theory that a PO was a P-40 fan and wanted his Hawk to look a like a Warhawk.

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52-fan
07-12-2009, 07:16 PM
N8N, I like the wheels, but like you I don't care for those wheels and the wide whites together. There is no danger of me getting them anyway at my current income level.

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"I may be lazy, but I'm not shiftless."

sbca96
07-13-2009, 12:32 AM
Meow! Kinda looks like cat ears from the front.

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Tom

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barnlark
07-13-2009, 08:37 AM
I think Rich is right, that looks like a Bourke hood. He could be the celebrity. I doubt it has scoops from any catalog. Those look almost stamped and not something fabricated in a typical body shop. Wish we had real facts on an untouched original car. If it's a Bourke hood, it's rare for sure. Maybe someone who knew Bob and saw one of those hood designs can sort it out.

Roscomacaw
07-13-2009, 12:21 PM
C'mon, Dave! Bourke would've GROANED at the sight of this. Did YOU LOOK at the P-40 photo I put up? Look at it again. Cooling scoop in the middle - machine gun nubs on either side.

Bourke resisted even a hood ornament in '53 and 54. They were an option, and thankfully (as it turned out) a rare one! This reeks of the "Hurley Hawk" that the C-W exec commissioned to stroke his ego - not something Bourke would do. Except, maybe at gunpoint![xx(]

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Roscomacaw
07-13-2009, 12:23 PM
Also.... Silver Hawk - Warhawk. Helloooo???

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

DEEPNHOCK
07-13-2009, 12:28 PM
Nate.... You are a wheel addict;)
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by N8N

well if you decide to buy the car I'll take those wheels off your hands (you can keep the tires though)

barnlark
07-14-2009, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by Mr.Biggs
C'mon, Dave! Bourke would've GROANED at the sight of this. Did YOU LOOK at the P-40 photo I put up? Look at it again. Cooling scoop in the middle - machine gun nubs on either side.

Bourke resisted even a hood ornament in '53 and 54. They were an option, and thankfully (as it turned out) a rare one! This reeks of the "Hurley Hawk" that the C-W exec commissioned to stroke his ego - not something Bourke would do. Except, maybe at gunpoint![xx(]

You're probably right, Biggs, but not everything he did ended up in the Museum of Art, however. Somebody's ego was stroked for that to end up on their car, you're right there. I'm not diggin' it, it just looks like an overly engineered design studio effort to me...at gun point, maybe!! It looks like a toilet bowl design, too, but I'm searching for pix to prove it..:D:D

1961HAWK
07-14-2009, 07:41 AM
i like it... and the gold wires look best.. thumbs up for going different..

Erin Hays
"From Stuck and Rusty to Slick steel and sex appeal"
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1962 Lark
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