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paintim613
07-06-2009, 06:37 PM
Our '53 has only 18,800 miles on its original 232 V-8. It has been in my wife's family since about 1955, was primarily a parade car, and then was undriven for about 20 years before we started restoring it in 2003.

Any other "lotsa years, not many miles on original engine" cars out there?

Tim-Custom '53 Commmander Starlight aka The Studebird in Yuma, AZ
Restoration pictures at http://www.jimsrodshop.net/31.html

53k
07-06-2009, 06:46 PM
quote:Originally posted by paintim613

Our '53 has only 18,800 miles on its original 232 V-8. It has been in my wife's family since about 1955, was primarily a parade car, and then was undriven for about 20 years before we started restoring it in 2003.
Any other "lotsa years, not many miles on original engine" cars out there?

Eric Kirk of Winchester, VA drove his all original '41 Commander with 12,000 miles to our meeting place for Drive Your Studebaker Day.




Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia. '64 Daytona Wagonaire, '64 Daytona convertible, '53 Commander Starliner, Museum R-4 engine, '62 Gravely Model L, '72 Gravely Model 430

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Kurt
07-06-2009, 07:13 PM
My 51 Commander has 34000 original miles.

66 Commander R1 Clone
51 Commander 4dr

Dick Steinkamp
07-06-2009, 07:16 PM
I'll go out on a limb and say that I have seen more low mileage Studes than any other make...and they made fewer Studes than most other makes.

Doesn't figure.

I had a 14,000 mile '62 Lark.



Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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Andy R.
07-06-2009, 07:34 PM
My white "survivor" GT had 17,000 when I bought it in 1985.
It currently has just under 29,000.

It might have been too nice for this teenager (at the time), but it taught me early on how to respect and revere machinery.[^]

Andy
62 GT

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3160/3069855932_de3d120955_t.jpg

Studebaker Wheel
07-06-2009, 08:10 PM
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/IMG_1093emailcopy2.jpg?t=1246928813

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/DSCF0739.jpg?t=1246928881

My 1942 Champion with 9314.4 miles. Have original bill of sale and other original documentation. Incidentally the car is for sale.

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

jlmccuan
07-06-2009, 08:20 PM
Our '63 Avanti currently has 9482 miles on it. Over 2000 of those in the past 2 years.

Jim
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____1966 Avanti II RQA 0088_______________1963 Avanti R2 63R3152____________Rabid Snail Racing

Bill Pressler
07-06-2009, 08:35 PM
This is unscientific, but in my 51-year old memory, and at least in our town, Studebaker owners tended to be older folks. I think this explains the higher percentage of low-mileage cars out there.

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1
'64 Daytona Hardtop

Da Tinman
07-06-2009, 08:38 PM
I've posted this here before, and was told I was full of it. (No posts must make new to the car world.) But as a professional car appraiser for the last 10 years, I have found nothing on this car that suggests 100,000 miles. Pops bought this 63 Cruiser for a song.
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/Da_Tinman/odo.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/Da_Tinman/newstude1.jpg


The only parts on teh car that are not original Stude parts are the water pump, motor/trans mounts, tires, brake/fuel plumbing, shocks, plug wires and valve stem seals. All of these things were changed after we got it. It had the original front tires on it,(with ummmmmmmmmm boobs?) and still has the factory installed points, condensor, cap, rotor and plugs.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/Da_Tinman/newtire.jpg

It still has the "New for 1963 Aluminized muffler" and the overly quiet factory exhaust.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/Da_Tinman/exhaust.jpg

Brake shoes and such show no signs of wear. The photo was taken as soon as the drum came off.
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/Da_Tinman/studebrakefront.jpg

The windshield cleans up with no defects other than some hazing at the edges.

The story we were given by the previous owner was that the car was purchased new by an older gentleman and driven for a short while then parked as he was temporarily in a nursing home. He was there for a number of years before passing the car was left under a carport nose out for 40+ years.

Say what you like and I invite anyone to come verify the mileage. In fact bring some head gaskets and we can pop the heads off to be sure.




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barnlark
07-06-2009, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by Studebaker Wheel
My 1942 Champion with 9314.4 miles. Have original bill of sale and other original documentation. Incidentally the car is for sale.

Gosh, that's one rare, beautiful car. That will draw top dollars. [^]

Mine has 32,322 on it. Bought it with the 1971 AZ plates still on it. Desert dried up, but the pedal grooves were still like new. AZ title backed it up, but I wasn't there for the first 11 years, so who knows.




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barnlark
07-06-2009, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by Da Tinman
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/Da_Tinman/newtire.jpg

Did it come with those 59-60 wheel covers on it? What state was that car from, Tinman?

Da Tinman
07-06-2009, 08:56 PM
Illinois, and yeah those were the trunk, along with a set of 41 caddy hubcaps, the caddy hubcaps didnt fit.

www.datinmanjay.com

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barnlark
07-06-2009, 09:06 PM
Any straight ones? ;) I collect non-dinged ones. Not too many of those.

Da Tinman
07-06-2009, 09:15 PM
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/Da_Tinman/cap.jpg

Like that? or the stude ones?

www.datinmanjay.com

http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/Da_Tinman/

barnlark
07-06-2009, 09:18 PM
The 59-60s.

Da Tinman
07-06-2009, 09:20 PM
all of the Stude ones are a bit crispy around the edges, sorry

www.datinmanjay.com

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edpjr
07-06-2009, 11:11 PM
My '66 has only 32K original miles.:Dhttp://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu136/edpjr/Mystude1.jpg

raprice
07-07-2009, 12:45 PM
My '59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop has just over 36000 miles on it. It had only just over 28000 when I bought it.
The engine is still tight and it doesn't burn any oil. Runs like a top.
Rog

'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop
Smithtown,NY

bonehead007
07-07-2009, 01:21 PM
Our Packard Hawk has 35,500 original miles on it, 2nd paint job and has the orginal leather seats with factory plastic on the back seats. Also has the original Firestone spare.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/bonehead007/MVC-021F.jpg

New Jersey & Studes Perfect Together

studegary
07-07-2009, 02:39 PM
I also noted that the '63 Cruiser had incorrect wheelcovers, but they could have been easily changed. What is odd, to me, is the incorrect wheel color.

I have looked at two 1961s, one Lark and one Hawk, both still with their original owners and both with 11K mies each. I didn't buy either one. The Lark was far gone underneath from sitting on dirt in an equipment lean to. I was out bid on the Hawk by someone that I know that gave it a good home.

Of Studebakers that I have owned, a '63 Cruiser with (IIRC) 17K miles from original family ownership and a '59 hardtop with 27K miles that is still with the guy that I sold it to.

If you count Avantis, I purchased one brand new.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

mausersmth
07-07-2009, 02:40 PM
quote:Originally posted by Da Tinman

I've posted this here before, and was told I was full of it. (No posts must make new to the car world.) But as a professional car appraiser for the last 10 years, I have found nothing on this car that suggests 100,000 miles. Pops bought this 63 Cruiser for a song.
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/Da_Tinman/odo.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/Da_Tinman/newstude1.jpg

www.datinmanjay.com

http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/Da_Tinman/

1.7k![:0]
I put twice that on my Cruiser since Easter! (Up to 63k now!)

A. Charles Eck, Jr.
Essex, MD
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Studebakers were made to drive! (Besides, they don't get lost as easy in the Wal-Mart parking lot!)

'64 Cruiser 'Louise'
'57 Commander 4 door sedan 'Bluebird'
'66 Ford F-250
'66 Ford F-100
'53 John Deere 50
'41 John Deere H All-Fuel
'41 John Deere B All-Fuel

tutone63
07-07-2009, 04:03 PM
I don't have an all original low mileage stude...mine has 98971, last time I looked. I am shooting for 100,000 this summer! But even though it isn't all original, there has been only a limited amount of work done. The only things that I am aware of are this:

New paint/body work

Rebuilt Distributor

Carbuerator kit

Interior was freshened, but not restored (seat covers, new headliner, dash cover, carpet dye)

Motor flushed

New exhaust

replacement alloy wheels

other than that, all the other components are original, other than the regular tune up stuff (points, wires, plugs, gaskets, hoses, brake pads, bushings and all the other stuff that goes with that.)

in other words, original driveline with no major rebuilds (except that goofy prestolite distributor)

So...if the thing doesn't literally fall apart at the seams or I die speeding on the interstate[B)]...does that mean I get to buy and display one of those "100,000 mile club" plate brackets?

...I may go ahead and post a separate thread about this once I get within 500 miles of my 100,000 mile mark and keep track of it...just for fun;)

edit: The Fuel pump has been replaced at least once, too...and is going to get it again...this time with an improved "no oil leak" model!

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1963 Lark, 259 V8, two-tone paint, Twin Traction. Driven often, always noticed!

StudeRich
07-07-2009, 04:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by paintim613

Any other "lotsa years, not many miles on original engine" cars out there?

Tim and Tinman; you would be be surprised, just how many Studebakers there are still in existence with very low, for their age mileage! [:0]

As Dick Steinkamp has stated, MOST Studebakers fit that description for one reason or another. [:0]

In my 47 years of buying, selling, owning, and driving well over 100 Studebakers, I have always found the mileage to be unusually low on all but a very few of my Studebakers, so low mileage on a Studebaker actually IS the norm.

So in a way, it is pointless to have everyone state just how low theirs is because they all are. But of course when we are talking UNDER 40-50,000 miles that certainly is somewhat rare, and I do not doubt that yours COULD BE only 1700, but that certainly is extreme.

Over these 46 years since that '63 Cruiser has been around, many things COULD have happened to it. There is always the possibility that it actually has 20 to 30,000 miles with that amount of wear, and had a Speedo replacement along the way, many things are POSSIBLE.

One thing IS for sure though, that is the undercarriage rust is much like a 100,000 mile plus car, because of very poor storage on dirt, grass or something wet for many years, or the car was covered with plastic causing it to sweat up, or maybe the carport was on the Coast near the salt air in whatever State it is from.

Even though most '63 Cruisers being the top of the line model, were ordered with the White trimmed (painted) '63 Lark Wheel Covers peculiar to '63 Larks, they were optional and it could have came with the standard bottle caps, which could later have been upgraded to some used '59-'60 Lark Wheel Covers which looked much better and would be considered an improvement for sure!:)

Actually it appears that the wheels also may be from a '59-'60 as '63's were Tusk Ivory, (off white, light beige) and these are Red.

StudeRich

Swifster
07-07-2009, 04:43 PM
The speedo listed 36K on it, though I'm sure that was really 136K. Of course 136K since 1964 comes out to an average of 3500 a year :) up to when I got it in 2003.

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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

1964 Studebaker Commander 170-1V, 3-speed w/OD (Cost to Date: $623.67)

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jnormanh
07-07-2009, 04:56 PM
I know this isn't Studebaker, but...not many years ago there was advertised in Hemmings a brand new 1940 Plymouth. Brand new as in zero miles, and preserved perfectly. The story was that the man who bought it, just before the outbreak of WWII had a running car and decided to save it for later. He parked it in his living room, and there it still sat, sixty years later. His wife dusted it every week.

Sometime during the late 50s, my father and uncle found a brand new early 20s Scripps-Booth roadster, stored in a dry garage.

At age fourteen in 1952 I was given a Whizzer Sportsman motorbike, so since it was my first motorized vehicle, I have a sort of fondness for them.

Just last week I ran across an ad for a brand-spanking new 1950 Whizzer Sportsman. From the photos, it looks like the day it left the factory. It can't be a resto, since the cast metal finishes are as factory and could not be duplicated.

http://www.depereauto.com/1950_whizzer_sportsman_206.php

I have a friend who owns a 1968 MGB which he drove home the day he bought it, and it remains in his garage, never having turned a wheel in 41 years. 13 miles from new.

That same friend owns a pristine 1954 MGTD, 100% original and flawless in all respects, 12,000 miles. Originally bought by Joe DiMaggio for Marilyn Monroe as a wedding present, with sales documents to prove.

And, somewhere out there, maybe in a dry barn in ND, is a sparkling new '57 GH.

mbstude
07-07-2009, 05:53 PM
I know of a literally brand new 1963 Wagonaire with 5300 or so miles on it.

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

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jimmijim8
07-07-2009, 06:16 PM
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wcarroll@outrageous.net
07-07-2009, 06:30 PM
I can't help but wonder if Studebaker going out of business somehow played a role in the number of low mile examples that exist today.





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StudebakerGeorge
07-07-2009, 06:34 PM
My 63 Lark has 22 thou on it now; it had 17 when I got it and all documented. At one time it belonged to Robert Turnquist of Packard and Hibernia fame.

StudebakerGeorge

jimmijim8
07-07-2009, 07:05 PM
[/quote] I have a 51,000 mile 63 GT and it has much much less original dirt and rust than your low mile Cruiser specimine. When I changed out the original shoes front and rear there wasn't near the brake dust and grime as your backing plates exhibit. I suppose car ports are a catch all for rust and dust. Your car does exhibit signs of being used in the winter months on salted roads. I'm not trying to disprove your theory. You're probably right but to me the car appears to have close to at least 102,000. Post some interior and engine photos. I have seen some very high mile Studes appear as new with near everything being original as it left the factory. I haven't seen any that are claimed to be less than 2,000 and show like yours. jimmijim

studevic
07-07-2009, 07:59 PM
hi all , i had a look at a low mileage 1962 Hawk recently here in Australia , not far from my place . 17000 miles , interior was perfect but the body was shot , rust evey place , roof was the worst . car was one owner and the guy passed away so it sat in a open shed covered in wet leaves and pine needles . a sorry sight, even the rocker covers had rust holes in them .$5000 was the asking price , i passed on the deal, still there today , only suitable for parts .
not all low milage studes have been looked after, cheers from roger.

R.A.Jennings

studefan
07-07-2009, 08:25 PM
My black 63 R2/4 spd Lark convertible currently has 35,000 original miles. I bought it in 1982 when had 29,000 on it. The dealership purchased it new for themselves and drag raced it at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway track.

Bob Palma sat in the car when it was new on the dealer lot. He provided me with invaluable information about its history. Thanks again Bob. Jeff

Da Tinman
07-07-2009, 09:23 PM
The oddest part of our car (to me) is the fact it is a cruiser with none of the popular options. Manual brake/steering, no radio, etc.

I will be the first to admit I know little about what wheels and such are correct for a Stude, the spare tire wheel is pink, the others are an off white. The one in the pic is surface rusted and is off white under the cap. It appears it was stored with caps on.

More pics,,,,

Battery area,
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/Da_Tinman/studebox.jpg

Front seat,
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/Da_Tinman/newstudeintdr.jpg

Back seat,
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/Da_Tinman/newstudeint2.jpg

Motor pics are somewhat decieving as the entire motor compartment was packed with raccoon poop and has been pressure washed.

Quick question, how well do the plastic rocker switches in these things hold up? The ones in this car snap like new and arent discolored or worn, and niether is the the surrounding "anti glare" dash.



As for the underside rust, the car sat frame on the ground with four flat tires for who knows how long. This would explain the frame rust as well as the rockers. The upper fenders above headlights were filled with mouse nests.

I have kept an open mind about the mileage, but I also have went over the car with fine tooth comb and have found little or no signs of mechanical wear. The ring gear was almost no wear pattern at all. And I will say this, if this car has over 100,000 miles on it, I know why Studebaker stopped producing, the cars lasted to long.


www.datinmanjay.com

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studefan
07-07-2009, 10:04 PM
Da Tinman, often times there are service stickers placed on the back end of the drivers door that contains the mileage. Do you have any of these? It could provide some clues as to the actual mileage.

Da Tinman
07-07-2009, 10:15 PM
No stickers of any kind, looked for them right off the bat, again back to my low miles theory, 1700 miles would have been too soon for an oil change?

www.datinmanjay.com

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BobPalma
07-07-2009, 10:18 PM
quote:Originally posted by studefan

My black 63 R2/4 spd Lark convertible currently has 35,000 original miles. I bought it in 1982 when had 29,000 on it. The dealership purchased it new for themselves and drag raced it at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway track.

Bob Palma sat in the car when it was new on the dealer lot. He provided me with invaluable information about its history. Thanks again Bob. Jeff


:) You're welcome, Jeff. I'm sure glad the car survives in such caring hands, having spent a lot of time around it when it was brand-new.

However, Childers Studebaker salesman Jim Franklin didn't do any drag racing at The Indianapolis Motor Speedway, Jeff...that's roundy-round racing.

Rather, Jim and the car drag raced at Indianapolis Raceway Park, about ten miles SW of the IMS.;)[}:)] :DBP

fargoguy
07-07-2009, 10:34 PM
I've got two- my 61 Lark has just shy of 60,000 miles:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b386/fargoguy66/1961%20lark/ESCAPEWARRANTY010.jpg

And my "new" 62 Lark has just under 34,000 miles on it:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b386/fargoguy66/62%20Lark/041_5_1_1.jpg

Both have Beautiful original interiors:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b386/fargoguy66/62%20Lark/lark3.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b386/fargoguy66/1961%20lark/ESCAPEWARRANTY008.jpg

Evan Davis
Prairie Bulletin
Saskatchewan Chapter
Prince Albert, Sk
http://www.saskstudebaker.ca/Studebaker.html

StudeRich
07-07-2009, 10:45 PM
quote:Originally posted by Da Tinman

Quick question, how well do the plastic rocker switches in these things hold up? The ones in this car snap like new and aren't discolored or worn, and neither is the the surrounding "anti glare" dash.

The original ribbed surface Rocker switches were a somewhat undependable item on '63-'64's, and in '65 they were replaced with better quality ones that are smooth, and the Parts Dept. (the original SASCO) superceded the old part number, with the new one for replacement on all '63-'65.

This may or may not help you figure out the accuracy of the mileage, but all things considered collectively, it could help! [^]

Still has original ribbed? [?]

StudeRich

StudeRich
07-07-2009, 10:51 PM
Nice Interiors Evan! [^]
But then you cheat, you live in a place like I do that is so far NORTH, the days of sunshine and serious heat can be counted on two hands and maybe two feet! [:0] :D :D

StudeRich

Da Tinman
07-07-2009, 11:20 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich


quote:Originally posted by Da Tinman

Quick question, how well do the plastic rocker switches in these things hold up? The ones in this car snap like new and aren't discolored or worn, and neither is the the surrounding "anti glare" dash.

The original ribbed surface Rocker switches were a somewhat undependable item on '63-'64's, and in '65 they were replaced with better quality ones that are smooth, and the Parts Dept. (the original SASCO) superceded the old part number, with the new one for replacement on all '63-'65.

This may or may not help you figure out the accuracy of the mileage, but all things considered collectively, it could help! [^]

Still has original ribbed? [?]

StudeRich


Ribbed, this time for my pleasure!![:p]

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Skinnys Garage
07-08-2009, 12:05 AM
Tinman, I've been working with vintage cars for 30+ years and I can't confirm or deny your mileage from a computer screen. I do see a few things in the photos that you provided that sway my opinion to a higher mileage car though. Like I said, these are only my observations from a computer screen and meant to help you, not cut your car down. I'm not using the rust as a factor because mother nature can do damage to any car over 46 years. The shot of the brakes show quite a bit of built up oil-dirt-grease on the frame cross member and front end components. Studebakers are known to drip a little oil over the years, but that's quite a lot of dirt mixed in for 1700 miles as this takes time and miles to build up. The pic of the front seat also shows a couple of things. The scuff plate appears to be bent and dented in the pic, if it is, that could be an indicator of heavy use. The seat bottom also appears to be pushed out on the side toward the back with possible cracking of the vinyl on the side from heavy use. The photo of the back seat shows the door striker plate and in the pic looks well used, if you check the drivers door striker plate for heavy wear, that may answer your question. You can also check the steering wheel for chips and scratches from keys, rings, etc. from lots of use, at 1700 miles it should look new. These are just a few of the things I've learned to look for over the years to help me in the old car world. I hope that my observations and tips on what to look for will help you determine what kind of mileage the car has and not offended you. As for the drive train still looking great, of course! it's a Studebaker!!:D

http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/mytoygarage/my59Lark.jpg
Skinny
Watertown, SD

Rich
07-08-2009, 12:05 AM
My 64 Avanti R-1 has 20,965.6 original miles as it sits in my garage. I've traced it back to the original order to verify miles through the years. I've owned it for ten years. The frame is so clean it's been pin-striped (not by me!)

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu132/RichardMor/DriverSide8-1-03.jpg

I don't think mileage has much to do with any old car - just condition.

Rich

Richard Morris
Renton, WA
64 Avanti R-1 #5367
90 Avanti 4-door #78

Da Tinman
07-08-2009, 01:28 AM
No offense taken, and when the sun is out I will get pics of switches and such and post them too.

I tell myself that there is no way that this car has that low a mileage everyday, but everything I have removed or taken apart shows little or no wear. The evidence so far has pointed me to low miles but again, I understand the doubt as to how a 46 years old car in that shape could have low miles.

As for the seat, the vinyl is shrunk up pretty bad, but the padding in the drivers seat has no butt print and is nicely curved with no low spots top and bottom. All the cloth is faded and most of the stitching is intact.

There are no scratches from key rings etc on the ignition/surrounding metal or the outer door locks. There is no wear on any of the dash switches or surrounding metal. All guages lights etc function perfectly.

And on a side note, was on my way home at night, I thought that since everything else functions that it would be a good idea to try the cigarette lighter, when I pushed it in, the headlights shutoff! Yanked the lighter out and they came back on.

The hood release inside the car has no wear and is the same color red all the way around. There are 2 scratches under the drivers outside door handle and the rest are scratch free.

Shifter knob is smooth and chip free. Shifter linkage is smooth and perfectly adjusted. O/D works flawlessly.

The steering wheel is shrunk and cracked at the end of the spokes and has turned black rather rapidly, but has no noticable chips or gouges.

Strikers I'm afraid are somewhat of a cunundrem, the strikers themselves show little wear, but the sliders on the front doors are getting a little worn. The front floor boards and hinge posts are pretty rusty and are in need of repair causing the doors to bounce a bit at speed.

There is a lot of surface rust on the top of the floors but very little on the bottom. I assume (yeah I know, ass outta you and me) that its from water leaking down the vent window area and sitting on the floor.

Carpet (other than where its rotted away with the floors shows no signs of wear, including the lead foot area. There is one spot of wear just beside the gas pedal, but that was from the ford radio that was hanging from the wires and rested on the floor, the wear spot is squared off to match the radio case.


Oh and the dirt/oil/crap buildup on the crossmember and front suspension is just that, raccoon crap, or at least thats what it smells/tastes like. (Dont ask, I'm still trying to forget)

Next (dumb) question, steering boxes, how good were they? There is little or no play in the steering wheel with no binding. The drag link(?) that runs from the box to the bell crank is tight and has no play, is also very hard to twist by hand. The tierods were replaced at the recomendation of the alignment shop. Other than normal toe adjustment the alignment was dead on to factory spec. The control arm bushings and sway bar bushings all look new with no deformation or deflection. Same with rear leaf spring bushings.

Motor carries 80 psi oil pressure cold at idle, 40psi hot idle, and does not smoke. (it did get a new set of valve stem seals, it smoked when you let off the gas before replacing.) There was no crud build up under the valve covers or lifter gallery.

Carb has been rebuilt using new gaskets only. All small parts including the accelerator pump and needle and seat are as found. I did not clean the carb out as it didnt need it. (the photo was taken just as it came apart.)

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Sorry to run on and turn this into a semi-self serving thread!

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jimmijim8
07-08-2009, 06:33 AM
Your 62 horn ring? jimmijim

62champ
07-08-2009, 07:16 AM
As of a local cruise in last night, my '60 Lark has turned 51,200 miles. Sticker on door post shows service done in 1983 - car had 32K at that point.

Isn't there a 1957 Champion in New Zealand with less than 100 miles on it?

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<div align="left">1960 Lark VI</div id="left"> <div align="right">1962 7E7-122</div id="right">
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jimmijim8
07-08-2009, 07:22 AM
Very nice. jimmijim

jclary
07-08-2009, 08:04 AM
I have followed this thread for a while and resisted the urge to chime in waiting for others to make my point. In my opinion, except for a few trailer queen (and they should be trailered) number 1 or near number 1 museum quality cars, mileage is somewhat relevant. I would suggest that any car the age of ours with less than 80,000 miles it relatively "low mileage." My land cruiser has one of those cardboard maintenance forms on the inside of the glove compartment door that is dated 1971 and shows 51,000 miles in 1971. It now shows 58,000 miles. I consider that a relatively low mileage '51.

When I was a kid, I remember folks with money who traded cars annually just to make sure that they didn't keep the car past it's 12,000 mile warranty. I also remember hearing folks brag about getting 8 or 10 thousand miles before needing a tune-up or tires. My family did not even own a car until 1953. (At that time we were only a family of 8) That was a'51 Pontiac station wagon straight 8. Later, for his own car, Dad bought a '40 Chevy and drove it until 1969. Both cars got an oil change every 1000 miles.

I really think that the more important thing for our Studebakers is the overall condition and roadworthiness. I have seen some low mile cars in junk yards with trees growing through rusted holes. When someone mentions to me that a car has "LOW MILES", I am unimpressed. I really want to know how it was maintained and what its condition is. That is really what I value. :):):)

[8D]Enough time has past since any Studebaker has rolled off an assembly line that the most remarkable thing is that they even exist...not how many miles they have accumulated!:D

John Clary
Greer, SC
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Life... is what happens as you are making plans.
SDC member since 1975

Da Tinman
07-08-2009, 08:49 AM
quote:Originally posted by jimmijim8

Your 62 horn ring? jimmijim


63 horn ring, the lower portion of the ring is broken off and ground clean. The plastic globe from the center is also missing.

As for the tie rod needing replaced, they had a tight spot when twisted by hand, you could also feel it in the wheel. The alignment guy says its probably from sitting in one spot unmoved for so long.

We are keeping eye on the drag link as it should have the same tight spot.

I am also aware that few of you accept my explainations, so be it.

Is it impossible for this car to have low miles, nope, improbable yes.



www.datinmanjay.com

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jimmijim8
07-08-2009, 09:16 AM
Definitely a Studebaker. Are you going to restore it? They can only be original once. jimmijim aka "Dude"

tutone63
07-08-2009, 09:30 AM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich


quote:Originally posted by Da Tinman

Quick question, how well do the plastic rocker switches in these things hold up? The ones in this car snap like new and aren't discolored or worn, and neither is the the surrounding "anti glare" dash.

The original ribbed surface Rocker switches were a somewhat undependable item on '63-'64's, and in '65 they were replaced with better quality ones that are smooth, and the Parts Dept. (the original SASCO) superceded the old part number, with the new one for replacement on all '63-'65.

This may or may not help you figure out the accuracy of the mileage, but all things considered collectively, it could help! [^]

Still has original ribbed? [?]

StudeRich


I would not presume to debate your knowledge in regards to the ribbed rocker switches...however, my 98,000 mile lark has three of the four white ribbed switches (headlights, dash lights and wiper), and all three are VERY solid and tight. It is possible that sometime before I owned it they were replaced...but if what you say is true...would there be ribbed replacements available? Perhaps improved models with an original look? All I know is that the ones on my lark are somewhat yellowed (more cream than yellow...but not original white) and used looking, but are very tight and solid.

Any thoughts?

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1963 Lark, 259 V8, two-tone paint, Twin Traction. Driven often, always noticed!

Da Tinman
07-08-2009, 09:47 AM
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Yes its dirty,, shoot me.

The tangs on the ignition switch cracked when I pulled it out to get keys made, so if its out of position its because I had to cut new ones beside the factory ones.

Sorry Jimmijim, hit the enter button before I had my thoughts together. No on the resto, as a matter of fact, when and if we find a suitable nicer 2 door Stude, this one will become a parts car.

Mileage is trivial, and I dont treat as a museum piece either. I drive the crap out of it when I get the chance. It has made 2 trips to Chicago, 500+ miles round trip, and several 200-300 mile trips. As well as being a parts chaser and somewhat a daily driver. It gets 21-22 mpg on the interstate at 75 mph. 23-24 on secondary roads.

Car runs and drives like new, no funny grunts groans or bangs.


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bartikus
07-08-2009, 09:54 AM
my 36 dictator says that it only has around 65000 miles on it and i would belive it because of the condition of the inside of the engine. the only problem is that is sat outside in the elements for 50 years. it would be one nice car if it had sat in a garage or a barn or something like that. the origional wood floor where the front seat sits is completly intact and there is very little cancer on the car. only places i can find are the trunk floor and the bottoms of the drivers side doors. my grandfather durring the 50's purchased a newer car and decided to start driving it and parked the old studebaker. there was nothing mechanicaly wrong with it. it wouldn't be as bad but some one between the 50's and the 80's shot all the windows and the glass on the dash out with a bb gun. if that hadden't happend i think that the interior would be usable.

if it's too loud your too old

Roscomacaw
07-08-2009, 10:29 AM
The low-mileage Stude in New Zealand was a '58 - a Commander, I believe. Guy bought it new for his wife and she never drove it. It set in a garage for decades - becoming a time capsule of it's own. Did a HECKUVA lot better than the buried Plymouth Fury!

Wonder where that Commander is now?[?]

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

JBOYLE
07-08-2009, 11:28 AM
Heck, any surviving Studebaker is bound to have low miles for its age.
My Avanti had 101,000 miles when I bought it...
Yes, that's a lot compared to the 20,000 mile garage queens out there, but considering its age..that comes out to just over 2000 miles a year.
Low milage in my book...:D

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

tutone63
07-08-2009, 11:48 AM
Since it is sorta along the same subject, and since I figure those reading this thread might have an interest, I found the previous thread about "how old is your car in human years"

Quite interesting, for those who have yet to see it.

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=25175

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1963 Lark, 259 V8, two-tone paint, Twin Traction. Driven often, always noticed!

gearhead49
07-09-2009, 07:50 AM
My 59 Lark 2dr hardtop has less than 23,000 on it and was purchased new by my grandfather at Freeman Spicer in South Bend. It was ordered by my dad when he was employeed at Studebaker after returning from Korea. I have all the cancelled checks for the purchase and all original paperwork. I'm sure it will remain in the family if any of my children take a intrest in keeping it maintained. So far it is just a white car to them!!!!!
Kids these days???

259man
07-09-2009, 11:50 AM
It's not only how many miles a car has on it that's important. It's how many it has left![8D]



Tom
1960 Lark VIII
1962 Lark Cruiser

StudeRich
07-09-2009, 12:43 PM
quote:Originally posted by tutone63

I would not presume to debate your knowledge in regards to the ribbed rocker switches...however, my 98,000 mile lark has three of the four white ribbed switches (headlights, dash lights and wiper), and all three are VERY solid and tight. It is possible that sometime before I owned it they were replaced...but if what you say is true...would there be ribbed replacements available? Perhaps improved models with an original look?

There are lots of possibilities Nathan why your switches survived, replaced in the 1970's? a very good possibility.

It could also have to do with the amount of use they got, Instr. Lts. ...NEVER USED, Wipers...only in Rainy climates, usually only in Fall/Winter in most, Hd. Lts....ONLY at night! Heater Sw....ONLY in warmer climates in Winter!

Maybe you even have a really good set of switches!

Cars with sticking Prestolite mechanical voltage regulator points, overcharge and burn Bulbs, Motors, Switches, Gauges prematurely also.

Over the years there have been original ones for sale from old Dealer stock, and they show up on ebay now & then. Myself, I try to find the smooth ones, as even those are hard to find. The '63 Lark I did recently, had all but the Instrument Lt. Sw. shot, and I had to use up 3 precious smooth type to fix it.

The new ones made by the latest owner of the switch Mfg. are used on everything from coping machines, to washing machines and designed for 110 Volt, if size and Hi,Lo, Off are the same, should work as long as the design (AMP load) is not exceeded, switches don't care how many volts go through them. And yes they are smooth, and White or Black.

StudeRich

HAWK64
07-09-2009, 08:56 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

The low-mileage Stude in New Zealand was a '58 - a Commander, I believe. Guy bought it new for his wife and she never drove it. It set in a garage for decades - becoming a time capsule of it's own. Did a HECKUVA lot better than the buried Plymouth Fury!

Wonder where that Commander is now

Before the famous Carroll Studebaker visited Melbourne in 1985 for our National Meet, he called in at New Zealand & saw this low mileage Commander which had somewhat under 1000 miles at the time. Local TV did an interview with him at the car. I do not the status of that vehicle today. Perhaps a NZ Forum member can enlighten us?

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"QUIGLEY DOWN UNDER"
MELBOURNE.

HAWK64
07-09-2009, 09:13 PM
My friend & SDC member Greg Sewell purchased a '57 Studebaker President here in Melbourne a couple of years ago with a tender & genuine 4800 miles. It is factory RHC in the colour of Westminster Blue. I have carried out some restorative work for him & its fascinating to see the original South Bend stanards of acceptance on the assembly line for that era. The car is still a graceful beauty to drive & the speedo has now slipped pass 5000 miles. We imported 13 of this model new into Melbourne & I believe this is the only survivor.

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"QUIGLEY DOWN UNDER"
MELBOURNE.