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Swifster
07-01-2009, 10:17 PM
I was making the 85 mile trip from southern Lakeland to Eustis to look at a '57 Dodge for work. While driving up FL-19 in Lake County, I see a guy in a business driveway with a ratty Avanti being flat towed behind it. It looked like he had pulled off because of mechanical problem. I turned around and went back because I'd hate to leave a fellow Studie stranded.

So I go back and the building belongs to the guy with the Avanti. He was just pulling the car out front to put a 'For Sale' sign on it. He's also trying to sell a '41 Commander 4-dr as well. As he's not hooked to the web and not a member, I figured I'd post these here in case someone might be interested.

The first car is a 1964(?) Avanti. While it needs a complete restoration, it is 99% complete. It's an R1 car with a 4-speed. No A/C. He's looking for $3500 or best offer.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/Studebaker%20Stuff/1964%20Avanti/IMG_5008.jpg

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The 2nd car is a 1941 Commander (Skyway?) 4-door sedan. This car is ruuuusssssstttttttyyyyy. The engine looks great with everything in place. The interior is a mess and the rubber is so bad that the rear window fell in by itself onto the package tray. The body code is a little different than I've seen before (11AB-7). I know this is a Commander (11A) but what's the rest mean? Anyways, he's asking $2500 OBO. I told him this was unrealistic as this looks mostly like a parts car at this point. He said if no one will pay for it, he'll let it sink...[xx(][V]. I'm sorry these pictures aren't great, but with all the weeds and other crap around it, I couldn't get a clear shot of it.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/Studebaker%20Stuff/1941%20President/IMG_5013.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/Studebaker%20Stuff/1941%20President/IMG_5009.jpg

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http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/Studebaker%20Stuff/1941%20President/IMG_5012.jpg

President Hub Caps
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/Studebaker%20Stuff/1941%20President/IMG_5014.jpg




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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

1964 Studebaker Commander 170-1V, 3-speed w/OD (Cost to Date: $623.67)

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/01-01-05TheStartingPoint.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/07-17-07FrontClipRemoved.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/08-06-29.jpg

BobPalma
07-01-2009, 10:22 PM
:) Nice pictures, Tom, seriously. Considering those prices, did he offer you a pull on whatever he was smoking?[:0];) :DBP

DEEPNHOCK
07-01-2009, 10:28 PM
Florida will take back to nature whatever you leave outside.
No exceptions.



quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

:) Nice pictures, Tom, seriously. Considering those prices, did he offer you a pull on whatever he was smoking?[:0];) :DBP

doug
07-01-2009, 10:32 PM
Has the Avanti been under water? I'd bet they both were.

Swifster
07-01-2009, 10:37 PM
The roof on the Commander was badly rusted around the drip rail.

Is this a Skyway sedan? I really like the body style (if not this car). It had President hub caps, and not being familiar with these cars. If it was a President, I'd be tempted to throw $500 at it and practice my welding with it. Any idea why it's a 'AB'?

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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

1964 Studebaker Commander 170-1V, 3-speed w/OD (Cost to Date: $623.67)

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/01-01-05TheStartingPoint.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/07-17-07FrontClipRemoved.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/08-06-29.jpg

8E45E
07-01-2009, 10:50 PM
quote:Originally posted by Swifster
Any idea why it's a 'AB'?



"11A" is the series, and the "B-7" denotes its a Land Cruiser body style. (Rear doors are hinged on the 'B' pillar.)

Craig

Dwain G.
07-01-2009, 10:57 PM
I think that body tag just looks odd because there is no space between the A and the B. It means '41 Commander (11A), Land Cruiser (B), Skyway (7).

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HEY, you're not Wilbur!

studeclunker
07-01-2009, 11:20 PM
A good demonstration of greed.

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Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

Swifster
07-02-2009, 12:02 AM
quote:Originally posted by studeclunker

A good demonstration of greed.


I don't know. It's obvious the cars are not worth what he's asking, but to an outsider, they are rare cars from a company no longer building cars. We see this all the time on Ebay.

As for the Commander, I may take another run at this guy down the road. I really like the '41 models and it appears to be a highline Commander. I promised myself after restoring one rustbucket to never do it again (restore or deal with bad rust). But it's mostly complete, and if nothing else, I could part it. I wish I could have got the drivers do open for a serial number but it was stuck. This was also one of the few '41's without the 'color band' at the nose.


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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

1964 Studebaker Commander 170-1V, 3-speed w/OD (Cost to Date: $623.67)

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/01-01-05TheStartingPoint.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/07-17-07FrontClipRemoved.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/08-06-29.jpg

skyway
07-02-2009, 07:56 AM
So maybe you have discovered another non two-toned '41 Skyway. The other that I have in mind is Buzz Beckman's Pres. Crusing Sedan.

jimmijim8
07-02-2009, 08:08 AM
Thanks for posting Tom. I'll bet that Avanti could be had for a bit over 2000$. Looks like Ford wheels. jimmijim

bonehead007
07-02-2009, 08:09 AM
Which looks worse, this Avanti or the one JDP showed a few weeks ago buried in the mud ? Its amazing how the folks who own these cars let them fall into the shape their in.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/bonehead007/MVC-021F.jpg

New Jersey & Studes Perfect Together

JBOYLE
07-02-2009, 08:53 AM
I like the wheels...
If Ford..a late 70s T-Bird?
Also, didn't Corvettes have something similar?

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

Invalid User Name
07-02-2009, 09:02 AM
I hope this guy comes to his senses on the price so the cars don't spend another 10 years out in the Florida sun and moisture. By then all you will need is a broom and dustpan to take them away.

Doug

1950 Champion 9G F1

Chris Pile
07-02-2009, 09:10 AM
I wouldn't take that Avanti if you gave it to me.

Chris Pile
Editor: The Studebaker Special
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Nitram
07-02-2009, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by Swifster
He said if no one will pay for it, he'll let it sink...[xx(][V].

The age old mindset of:
"I'm settin on a goldmine, and if I don't get what I want, nobody else can have it either."


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[i]~Nitram~
57 Transtar

hotrodstude
07-02-2009, 09:15 AM
the wheels are ford used on crown victorias mercury marq.lincoln town cars

toyman
07-02-2009, 09:16 AM
Tom: Re the Avanti, it is a 1963. You mention a 4 speed and no a/c. The shifter looks like an automatic and there are A/C ducts in the car and what looks like a a/c compressor on the r/s of the engine. In any event, WWWWAAAAYYYY to much for either car. They'll probably rust away to dust, like Doug said.

toyman

Swifster
07-02-2009, 10:26 AM
I'm sorry about the Avanti. I was in a hurry and just glanced at it. I didn't see the compressor which is obviuosly in the pictures. I figure the vents came either way. The owner told me it was a 4-speed, and I'm pretty sure it is, though the shifter may not be correct. The reason I had it listed as a '64 is because that is what he told me it is, and the front end shows signs of a previous collision. I just figured the round light panel was switched in during the 'repairs'. I'm not real familiar with these cars or their VIN sequence which is why I included a picture of it.

I know these are not worth the asking price, but if nothing else, it appears the drivelines are complete. What is a rebuildable R1 and 4-speed worth? And while they are rusty, the chrome air cleaner and valve covers are still there as well as the air conditioning parts. I think you could easily make $2000-$2500 parting the Avanti out. The big question is the frame. The car was in a muddy spot so I wasn't going to check hog troughs out before I got to my first car of the day [xx(].

The Commander interests me. The 1941 models attract me like a moth to a bug zapper. What are are these worth completely restored? $20K? More? Less? This is what little I do know about the car...

1941 Commander Skyway Land Cruiser
Built after March 14, 1941 (Skyway intro)
No Color Belt
Has a Radio and side mount antenna
Has the 226 CI Big Six Commander engine
Most had Overdrive (but I couldn't see enough of the interior to see if the chrome nob the was pulled back was the OD nob)
The color is so badly faded it's unknown if the car is black, dark blue or dark red.
The interior is such a mess it's unknown if it's gray or fawn (no leather).
It does not have Delux-Tone paint (two-tone).
4582 Built (3rd Most Popular Commander)

Any thoughts or ideas on the Commander? Any have one similar they can post a picture of?

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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

1964 Studebaker Commander 170-1V, 3-speed w/OD (Cost to Date: $623.67)

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/01-01-05TheStartingPoint.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/07-17-07FrontClipRemoved.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/08-06-29.jpg

silverhawk
07-02-2009, 10:37 AM
Poor things, bummer he has such a big price tag on them.:(

Dylan Wills

'61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon

studegary
07-02-2009, 12:51 PM
If he was just "...pulling the car out front to put a For Sale sign on it...", why would it have tow lights hooked up to it?

The rest of my comments were given by toyman.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

Gunslinger
07-02-2009, 01:00 PM
That's a 4-speed shifter in the Avanti. It looks like a GM Muncie shifter since it has the reverse lockout finger grips, though it has the wrong ball on it. Mopar used a similar reverse lockout design on some of their mid-'60s muscle cars with Inland shifters prior to going to Hurst shifters, but the shape of the handle is wrong for that.




Poet...Mystic...Soldier of Fortune. As always...self-absorbed, adversarial, cocky and in general a malcontent.

studegary
07-02-2009, 01:24 PM
The four speed, A/C, windows/glass and body panels have value, but not $3500 (at least not to me).

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

bonehead007
07-02-2009, 02:27 PM
Could be savable, shame to let any old Avanti left be scraped, what shape is the frame & hog troughs ?

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/bonehead007/MVC-021F.jpg

New Jersey & Studes Perfect Together

Thomas63R2
07-02-2009, 10:11 PM
Classic gypsy seller.

As noted with that tow bar and lights the car was not simply being moved from the back of his property to the front.

What you have here is an oportunist who found a free Avanti for the favor of hauling it away.

His bluster is actually well honed side lot salesmanship: he wants to quickly separate money from the pigeon. If you continue talking to him he knows you are the kind of quarry he can manipulate. He was successful in getting you to post a free ad for him and he knows you are interested in the '41. He's fishing for money, and he's not concerned if he offends in the process.

Too many '63 details on the Avanti to be anything other than a '63 Avanti that was sold late enough originally that it was registered as a '64. Buried in mud that it was it is guaranteed there is nothing good left of the frame and hog troughs - this one needs to be shot in the head and parted out. No sane chromer would take on the job of rechroming those valve covers and air cleaner assembly, they are essentially junk riddled with deep pits. There are nice repop R1 air cleaner assemblies available now, and you need smooth valve cover metal to be worthy of rechroming.

That '41 is eggshell thin, keep the pictures for the memories - pass on the car. When you see body panels with rot at the top and the bottom of the panel there is not enough left to save. my guess is that most of that car would break up when you try to pull it out.

Thomas

Long time hot rodder
Packrat junk collector
'63 Avanti R2 4 speed

StudeRich
07-02-2009, 10:32 PM
quote:Originally posted by JBOYLE

[blue][font=Arial]I like the wheels...
Washington State

You like those ugly things? Come on up a bit North, and take some off of my '64 Daytona before I toss em! :)

StudeRich

Swifster
07-02-2009, 11:09 PM
quote:Originally posted by Thomas63R2

Classic gypsy seller.

As noted with that tow bar and lights the car was not simply being moved from the back of his property to the front.

What you have here is an oportunist who found a free Avanti for the favor of hauling it away.

His bluster is actually well honed side lot salesmanship: he wants to quickly separate money from the pigeon. If you continue talking to him he knows you are the kind of quarry he can manipulate. He was successful in getting you to post a free ad for him and he knows you are interested in the '41. He's fishing for money, and he's not concerned if he offends in the process.

Too many '63 details on the Avanti to be anything other than a '63 Avanti that was sold late enough originally that it was registered as a '64. Buried in mud that it was it is guaranteed there is nothing good left of the frame and hog troughs - this one needs to be shot in the head and parted out. No sane chromer would take on the job of rechroming those valve covers and air cleaner assembly, they are essentially junk riddled with deep pits. There are nice repop R1 air cleaner assemblies available now, and you need smooth valve cover metal to be worthy of rechroming.

That '41 is eggshell thin, keep the pictures for the memories - pass on the car. When you see body panels with rot at the top and the bottom of the panel there is not enough left to save. my guess is that most of that car would break up when you try to pull it out.


The Avanti was out front when I drove home. He may have brought from home. Don't really think it matters. I mearly posted in case anyone was interested.

As for the '41, I made him no offers. I agree the body is beyond saving, but I think the frame and driveline maybe. I've seen a few of the same body style for sale, but they had GM subframes under them with Chevy engines. For $500, it would be worth the chassis and trim.

So does anyone know anything about these older cars?

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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

1964 Studebaker Commander 170-1V, 3-speed w/OD (Cost to Date: $623.67)

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/01-01-05TheStartingPoint.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/07-17-07FrontClipRemoved.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/08-06-29.jpg

Swifster
07-03-2009, 11:36 AM
quote:Originally posted by Swifster

The Commander interests me. The 1941 models attract me like a moth to a bug zapper. What are are these worth completely restored? $20K? More? Less? This is what little I do know about the car...

1941 Commander Skyway Land Cruiser
Built after March 14, 1941 (Skyway intro)
No Color Belt
Has a Radio and side mount antenna
Has the 226 CI Big Six Commander engine
Most had Overdrive (but I couldn't see enough of the interior to see if the chrome nob the was pulled back was the OD nob)
The color is so badly faded it's unknown if the car is black, dark blue or dark red.
The interior is such a mess it's unknown if it's gray or fawn (no leather).
It does not have Delux-Tone paint (two-tone).
4582 Built (3rd Most Popular Commander)

Any thoughts or ideas on the Commander? Any have one similar they can post a picture of?


Bump

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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

1964 Studebaker Commander 170-1V, 3-speed w/OD (Cost to Date: $623.67)

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/01-01-05TheStartingPoint.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/07-17-07FrontClipRemoved.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/08-06-29.jpg

Canadoug
07-04-2009, 09:04 AM
Is there anything NOT rusty on that Avanti ?

Swifster
07-04-2009, 12:44 PM
quote:Originally posted by Canadoug

Is there anything NOT rusty on that Avanti ?




The fiberglass, parts made of plastic, parts made of rubber, parts made of glass, other non-faris materials, etc...

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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

1964 Studebaker Commander 170-1V, 3-speed w/OD (Cost to Date: $623.67)

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/01-01-05TheStartingPoint.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/07-17-07FrontClipRemoved.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/08-06-29.jpg

Swifster
05-14-2013, 01:59 PM
This Commander has never left my mind. I might go up on Thursday and see if the car is still there and if the price has come down. So how hard will two quarters be to find...

StudeRich
05-14-2013, 04:08 PM
A little easier than a couple Nickels! :D

bob40
05-14-2013, 05:05 PM
Just so happens I may be parting out a 1942 Commander Skyway.

Swifster
05-14-2013, 06:07 PM
I'll keep you in mind Bob. With the rear window out of it, who knows what the back of the car is like.