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tstclr
12-31-2006, 04:16 PM
Well, more problems with the 64. I have been spending a lot of time getting the 170 to start in cold weather. Well, after a lot of cranking, the starter stopped engaging. I removed the starter and found the worse case scenario- the ring gear was damn near stripped! I can't believe it ever engaged! So, my options are:
1) replace the ring gear and still have a gutless 6
2) install the 259 that's sitting on my engine stand
3) install the 283 mounts I got from a 65 and put in a Chevy
4) Can I use the existing auto trans/convertor with the 259 or the Chevy?
5) Can I use the starter?
6) Will the drive shaft have to be changed if I go with the 259?
7) Same question if I use a small block..
8) Are the Stude V8 mounts different from the 170? I posted this question before but didn't really get an answer.


Personally, I'd like to run the 259. The car already has V8 front springs. I know about upgrading the brakes and the weak Dana 27 (I'd have to leave the 27 for know and go easy on it)

From anyone who has swapped a 6 to an 8, what is my easiest scenario?


What does a 170 weigh? This website http://www.team.net/sol/tech/engine.html lists the Chevy motor at 575lbs VS 650 for the Stude engine. If the Chevy was close to the 170 weight, I may not have to upgrade the brakes...

I'd really like to hear from someone who has done the swap.

Thanks!

Todd


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Roscomacaw
12-31-2006, 04:41 PM
Todd asks:

1) replace the ring gear and still have a gutless 6
Easiest route.
2) install the 259 that's sitting on my engine stand
Nice upgrade. You'll need an appropriate tranny, consequent unique linkages, wiring mods, hoses, exhaust changes, driveshaft changes.
3) install the 283 mounts I got from a 65 and put in a Chevy
Probably as much trouble as the 259 - all said and done.
4) Can I use the existing auto trans/convertor with the 259 or the Chevy?
Todd, the 64 Stude 6 used the T-35 (aluminum case) tranny. I doubt that could be married to EITHER V8 you're considering.
5) Can I use the starter?
No
6) Will the drive shaft have to be changed if I go with the 259?
If you're gonna go with an automatic and the 259 has COME FROM an automatic car, it should have the proper length bolts in the rear crank flange. If was in a stick shift car earlier, you'd have to pull the pan, pull the rear main cap and change those 6 bolts to the proper length ones. You DON'T change the whole crankshaft.
7) Same question if I use a small block..
See above answer, although the same MIGHT NOT apply here - depending on how the torque convertor attaches to the Chevy.
8) Are the Stude V8 mounts different from the 170? I posted this question before but didn't really get an answer."
The mounts are different and so are the mount brackets that the mounts sit on. (Ask Studeclunker)


BTW, I've had a 27 in my V8 ragtop for 21 years now and I've not been able to tear it up.


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StudeRich
12-31-2006, 08:50 PM
I believe your car is a Canadian '64 with 170 & Flight-O-Matic, right?

4) Can I use the existing auto trans/convertor with the 259 or the Chevy? Trans. NO, you have the lightweight model 35 Alum. Tranny & 8's use a cast Iron Case FOM. Converter-NO, Stude 6 & 8 have a diff. stall speed & the 65/66 used a special converter that mounts a big Chev. ring gear/flywheel thingy
5) Can I use the starter? No, Stude 6 & 8 are diff. & Chev starters are way different and on the RIGHT side!

6) Will the drive shaft have to be changed if I go with the 259? YES, Strangely enough the driveshaft is the same length 51 3/32 in. 1561890 for the 6, 1561876 for the 8, So that tells me that the Dia. is larger for the 8! Can't help on the Chev. install D/S because the Parts book does not give lengths-darn.

7) Same question if I use a small block. Definetely, it's too small Dia. and thin guage!

8) Are the Stude V8 mounts different from the 170? I posted this question before but didn't really get an answer. YES, the 6 gets 1540462 R/H & 1547208 L/H, and the V-8 gets 1547206 R/H & 1547207 L/H engine mount Bracket. I think someone, maybe N8 said to switch L to R, but that would not correctly position the engine, or there would not be 4 diff. mounting brackets used at factory. [^]

YIKES, time I get this research done, someone will ans. this![:0][:0]

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Studebayker
12-31-2006, 08:57 PM
I made a swap into a '53 champion coupe in the early '60's. a SBC,
and a commander trans.(std. shift). I never tore out the 6 cyl. rear
axle, But anything above 60 mph with those champion brakes, you had better have some awfully thick shoe soles.

James K. Clark
'55 Prez. 2dr Hdtp.
East Tenn.
Don't take yourself too seriously!

James K. Clark

tstclr
12-31-2006, 09:51 PM
I'm really bummed out about this[V] I will likely keep the 6 for now and either fix the ring gear or install the engine/trans (which is still together) from my 63. Good thing I didnt scrap it! It's a friends house. I just have to determine if the engine/trans is any good. The P.O said it was and seemed to spend alot of time cleaning it up and painting it. Both the engine and trans had oil in them. I really dont have the space in my garage to do the swap as there are already two other cars parked in there (one is a friends LeMans that I better not get a mark on!) It's also a bit tight to even drop the trans and fix the ring gear. Looks like she'll have to sit until Spring when I have the space...
Todd


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DilloCrafter
01-02-2007, 01:21 AM
Q: What does a 170 weigh?
A: My flathead Champion six (same block as your OHV 170) weighed 470 lbs. including a pallet, but with no tranny attached.


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tstclr
01-02-2007, 07:03 AM
After some serious thought, I have decided to accept an offer from a fellow SDC'er to sell him the car. It comes down to economics-do I continue to pour money into the 64 and neglect my 63? The deal benefits both of us- I get what I have into the car, and the buyer doesn't have to go across North America to find a nice solid inexpensive driver. I'll miss the car but it's nice to go it's going to a good home.
Todd


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