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Transtar56
12-25-2006, 10:18 PM
80k and without even a picture!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Studebaker-convertible-original-revision_W0QQitemZ200062222861QQihZ010

lstude
12-25-2006, 10:34 PM
I think sometimes that people just like to give eBay money. I can't imagine anyone bidding on this car with no picture and so little information, but I may be wrong.

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lstude
12-25-2006, 10:34 PM
I think sometimes that people just like to give eBay money. I can't imagine anyone bidding on this car with no picture and so little information, but I may be wrong.

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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rockne10
12-25-2006, 10:37 PM
That's one expensive post card. On the plus side, mailing it from Zurich should be cheap.

rockne10
12-25-2006, 10:37 PM
That's one expensive post card. On the plus side, mailing it from Zurich should be cheap.

bams50
12-26-2006, 04:30 AM
Seller really wowed me with all that technical info, though...

May be worth it- records show that very few came from the factory with Bergstutze...;)

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
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bams50
12-26-2006, 04:30 AM
Seller really wowed me with all that technical info, though...

May be worth it- records show that very few came from the factory with Bergstutze...;)

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

CHAMP
12-26-2006, 07:15 AM
Maybe the seller has been watching to much Barrett-Jackson[?]

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

CHAMP
12-26-2006, 07:15 AM
Maybe the seller has been watching to much Barrett-Jackson[?]

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

John Kirchhoff
12-26-2006, 08:55 AM
I figure it's pretty brazen to ask $80k and then mispell transmission (transmition) and front end suspension (front and spension). Since transmission in German is Getriebe, maybe he just mispelled that word, but he spelled suspension correctly two other times! Maybe if someone shells out the $80k, he can buy a $79 Microsoft Word software with spellcheck!

John Kirchhoff
12-26-2006, 08:55 AM
I figure it's pretty brazen to ask $80k and then mispell transmission (transmition) and front end suspension (front and spension). Since transmission in German is Getriebe, maybe he just mispelled that word, but he spelled suspension correctly two other times! Maybe if someone shells out the $80k, he can buy a $79 Microsoft Word software with spellcheck!

Studedude1961
12-26-2006, 11:25 AM
Might be best to just buy that rare Studebaker Frontiersman up for auction elsewhere on eBay!

Studedude1961
12-26-2006, 11:25 AM
Might be best to just buy that rare Studebaker Frontiersman up for auction elsewhere on eBay!

Transtar56
12-26-2006, 07:14 PM
" Maybe if someone shells out the $80k, he can buy a $79 Microsoft Word software with spellcheck!"

Yea, and mabey he could spring for a camera for his next auction.

Transtar56
12-26-2006, 07:14 PM
" Maybe if someone shells out the $80k, he can buy a $79 Microsoft Word software with spellcheck!"

Yea, and mabey he could spring for a camera for his next auction.

lstude
12-26-2006, 07:57 PM
If you don't want his Studebaker (Post Card?), here is one of his other items. The description is in German, but I think it is self explanatory.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/SexView.jpg


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lstude
12-26-2006, 07:57 PM
If you don't want his Studebaker (Post Card?), here is one of his other items. The description is in German, but I think it is self explanatory.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/SexView.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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raprice
12-27-2006, 03:46 PM
One more observation: did you notice that there were 0 bids?
Rog:D

'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop

raprice
12-27-2006, 03:46 PM
One more observation: did you notice that there were 0 bids?
Rog:D

'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop

lstude
12-28-2006, 03:54 AM
The vendor has now posted pictures. I was thinking that the post card he posted originally was of a Commander convertible, but now it is a Champion. Still no bids at this price.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Studebaker-convertible-champion-original-revision_W0QQitemZ200062222861QQihZ010QQcategoryZ6466QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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lstude
12-28-2006, 03:54 AM
The vendor has now posted pictures. I was thinking that the post card he posted originally was of a Commander convertible, but now it is a Champion. Still no bids at this price.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Studebaker-convertible-champion-original-revision_W0QQitemZ200062222861QQihZ010QQcategoryZ6466QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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kmul221
12-28-2006, 06:51 AM
What are those things on top of the rear fenders?A rare Studebaker option or aftermarket Bling ?

kmul221
12-28-2006, 06:51 AM
What are those things on top of the rear fenders?A rare Studebaker option or aftermarket Bling ?

JDP
12-28-2006, 09:03 AM
Looks like ski racks on the rear fenders.

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64 GT hawk
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63 Avanti R1
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63 Lark 2 door #2
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
12-28-2006, 09:03 AM
Looks like ski racks on the rear fenders.

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JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
My Ebay Items
http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

64 GT hawk
64 Commander 2 dr.
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
63 Lark 2 door #2
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starliner
51 Commander

Roscomacaw
12-28-2006, 12:35 PM
Anyone notice the kick-plate on the bottom of that door is too short?[:o)] Must be one from a 4-dr or something. Looks like a nice car - but not an EIGHTY THOUSAND DOLLAR CAR![}:)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
12-28-2006, 12:35 PM
Anyone notice the kick-plate on the bottom of that door is too short?[:o)] Must be one from a 4-dr or something. Looks like a nice car - but not an EIGHTY THOUSAND DOLLAR CAR![}:)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Guido
12-28-2006, 12:47 PM
The wooden block that is being used as a parking brake does not exactly inspire confidence in the car. :(

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
12-28-2006, 12:47 PM
The wooden block that is being used as a parking brake does not exactly inspire confidence in the car. :(

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

mbstude
12-28-2006, 04:20 PM
I knew Studebaker was ahead of their time, but hanging foot pedals in '50? [:0][:o)]

The door panel trim looks to be from a '53.

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Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

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mbstude
12-28-2006, 04:20 PM
I knew Studebaker was ahead of their time, but hanging foot pedals in '50? [:0][:o)]

The door panel trim looks to be from a '53.

___________________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar_river.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

Guido
12-28-2006, 05:51 PM
Matthew,

I looked at the interior shot for a long time too. Do you think you may be seeing where the carpet has been split to fit around the thru the floor pedals?

Gary

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
12-28-2006, 05:51 PM
Matthew,

I looked at the interior shot for a long time too. Do you think you may be seeing where the carpet has been split to fit around the thru the floor pedals?

Gary

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

starlightchamp
12-28-2006, 06:08 PM
Also, that's not a 50 Champion hood (bonnet) ornament. I think its a 51. There have been
several 50 Convertibles sold on EBAY this year around $25,000 that were in much better
shape. At least this one has the hard to find clock installed.

1950 Champion Starlight
1963 Hawk GT
Santa Barbara
CA

starlightchamp
12-28-2006, 06:08 PM
Also, that's not a 50 Champion hood (bonnet) ornament. I think its a 51. There have been
several 50 Convertibles sold on EBAY this year around $25,000 that were in much better
shape. At least this one has the hard to find clock installed.

1950 Champion Starlight
1963 Hawk GT
Santa Barbara
CA

Roscomacaw
12-28-2006, 06:50 PM
Good catch! That is indeed a 51 hood ornament. 50 was the chrome teardrop with the clear plastic fin towards the front.
Oops! 51 fender ornaments too.

Is that a dent in the upper edge of the dashboard on the passenger's side? And, what is "Overdrive Mountain break suspension"???

Probably just ovesight, but not one shot under the bonnet.[V]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
12-28-2006, 06:50 PM
Good catch! That is indeed a 51 hood ornament. 50 was the chrome teardrop with the clear plastic fin towards the front.
Oops! 51 fender ornaments too.

Is that a dent in the upper edge of the dashboard on the passenger's side? And, what is "Overdrive Mountain break suspension"???

Probably just ovesight, but not one shot under the bonnet.[V]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

lstude
12-28-2006, 06:53 PM
I think those fender ornaments are 51 also. This car must have been built by Johnny Cash! :D

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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lstude
12-28-2006, 06:53 PM
I think those fender ornaments are 51 also. This car must have been built by Johnny Cash! :D

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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mbstude
12-28-2006, 07:03 PM
quote:Matthew,

I looked at the interior shot for a long time too. Do you think you may be seeing where the carpet has been split to fit around the thru the floor pedals?

Yup, I think you're right. ;)[:I]:)

I wonder what the lettering on the trunk is for.


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One piece at a time...:D


___________________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar_river.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

mbstude
12-28-2006, 07:03 PM
quote:Matthew,

I looked at the interior shot for a long time too. Do you think you may be seeing where the carpet has been split to fit around the thru the floor pedals?

Yup, I think you're right. ;)[:I]:)

I wonder what the lettering on the trunk is for.


http://i9.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/80/d1/caf9_1.JPG


One piece at a time...:D


___________________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar_river.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

lstude
12-28-2006, 07:09 PM
quote:I wonder what the lettering on the trunk is for.

CH means Switzerland, but it is usually on an oval tag, not written on the body!

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lstude
12-28-2006, 07:09 PM
quote:I wonder what the lettering on the trunk is for.

CH means Switzerland, but it is usually on an oval tag, not written on the body!

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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Spule 4
12-28-2006, 07:54 PM
A few things on this thread...

Yes, the rear mounts are for skis, often you will see them on Mercedes SLs and other cars of the same vintage. No roofrack.

Yes, the CH is the internaional code for Switzerland that does not favor any of the four common languages spoken there. The ovals are "newish" (but no longer required due to changes because of the EU), large chrome letters were commonplace in the 50s.

Suisse spec cars had interesting features for their topography including hill holds and LOW gearing for hills on some, so maybe that is the post. Maybe that is what is listed here.

Also, with a less than an abundant supply of parts, often one has to make due with what one can find, so that may be the reason behind the mismatch of parts on the car. Similar could be said about a similar vintage Mercedes, VW, Citroen, Jag, etc here in the US in many cases (and a few I have owned and been around).

Pix, I have seen a lot of crummy pix, archival pix, and no pix used to sell cars in Europe.

Finally, the price is "a bit" high, 1950s US ragtops in any presentable condition are in the $30K+ range in many cases or higher. I have a friend that sold basket case Caddys to Swiss and Frenchmen faster than he could find them for stupid money. There is nothing cheap about living in Switzerland, ask any of the expats living here in the US/Canada about that.

The classic car market is a different bird in Europe, and in some places, there is a an interest in "classic" car ownership as a way to avoid road tax of a conventional car. Mostly 1960s-70s cars in this situation however.

Garrett

Spule 4
12-28-2006, 07:54 PM
A few things on this thread...

Yes, the rear mounts are for skis, often you will see them on Mercedes SLs and other cars of the same vintage. No roofrack.

Yes, the CH is the internaional code for Switzerland that does not favor any of the four common languages spoken there. The ovals are "newish" (but no longer required due to changes because of the EU), large chrome letters were commonplace in the 50s.

Suisse spec cars had interesting features for their topography including hill holds and LOW gearing for hills on some, so maybe that is the post. Maybe that is what is listed here.

Also, with a less than an abundant supply of parts, often one has to make due with what one can find, so that may be the reason behind the mismatch of parts on the car. Similar could be said about a similar vintage Mercedes, VW, Citroen, Jag, etc here in the US in many cases (and a few I have owned and been around).

Pix, I have seen a lot of crummy pix, archival pix, and no pix used to sell cars in Europe.

Finally, the price is "a bit" high, 1950s US ragtops in any presentable condition are in the $30K+ range in many cases or higher. I have a friend that sold basket case Caddys to Swiss and Frenchmen faster than he could find them for stupid money. There is nothing cheap about living in Switzerland, ask any of the expats living here in the US/Canada about that.

The classic car market is a different bird in Europe, and in some places, there is a an interest in "classic" car ownership as a way to avoid road tax of a conventional car. Mostly 1960s-70s cars in this situation however.

Garrett