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mbstude
04-13-2009, 09:43 PM
Or does the Forum not seem to be as fun as it once was....?

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

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Studedude
04-13-2009, 09:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by mbstude

Or does the Forum not seem to be as fun as it once was....?
You are experiencing life, Matt. Nothing is ever as fun as it once was. Don't give up on the forum, just adjust. (You have to adjust to it, it won't adjust to you.) Sorry, but life is full of adjustments, and some of them really suck! [V]

Forum adjustments are relativity simple... they don't usually involve internal bleeding, cancer, heart attacks, broken/lost limbs, and stuff like that. ;)

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StudeRich
04-13-2009, 09:49 PM
Yep, all the fun is gone, Tracy and John are rarely here anymore! :D

Anne F. Goodman
04-13-2009, 09:56 PM
They must be busy with George

Mabel 1949 Champion
1957 Silverhawk
1955 Champion 4Dr.Regal
Gus 1958 Transtar
1955 President State
1957 Golden Hawk
Fresno,Ca
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Anne F. Goodman
04-13-2009, 09:58 PM
Sometimes life is serious. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Sometimes they say stuff we don't want to hear. But we need to. Can't always be all fun and games. And you wouldn't want it that way.

Mabel 1949 Champion
1957 Silverhawk
1955 Champion 4Dr.Regal
Gus 1958 Transtar
1955 President State
1957 Golden Hawk
Fresno,Ca
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barnlark
04-13-2009, 10:00 PM
Well put, Dave & Anne.

bob40
04-13-2009, 10:01 PM
Welcome to the grown up world.

mbstude
04-13-2009, 10:05 PM
Thanks for the insight, guys and gals.

But when I first got on here a couple years ago, everyone seemed to get along pretty well, for the most part.

What happened to that?

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

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sweetolbob
04-13-2009, 10:06 PM
Matt

Exactly my thoughts.

Seems like when I joined the forum it was like a gathering of old friends that got together regularly and exchanged thoughts, information and jabs. Everybody had a good time, took little seriously and left friends.

The forum continues to be a wealth of information and data but has lost the good natured banter aspect.

It seems that if you offer an opinion (PC or Non-PC) there is a bevy of vultures ready descend on the carcass before it's dead. Nothing seems to go unscathed in the current environment.

It may be the nature of the beast, as described, but I for one have decided not to "poke the bear". You may have noticed that I've been posting less and less and will continue to lurk more and more.

It's interesting that it took the younger folks to note the change.

Thanks for the observation.

Bob [V]

P.S. It's not the grown-up world. Grownups can handle adversity and not strike out with the venom this site has demonstrated recently.

IMHO

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Studedude
04-13-2009, 10:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by mbstude

Thanks for the insight, guys and gals.

But when I first got on here a couple years ago, everyone seemed to get along pretty well, for the most part.

What happened to that?


"Everyone," never gets along.

There are those that will see to that.

Avoid them, enjoy the rest.

Sometimes, I may be one of, "them." If so, avoid me, and enjoy the rest. [:I]

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DAVE, THE EVIL TWIN FROM OKLAHOMA

rockne10
04-13-2009, 10:17 PM
As more and more people join the Forum there will be those who are overly critical and those who are overly sensitive.

Just don't go there.

Participate in the good stuff. Recognize the not good stuff and move on.

The percentages remain the same.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
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John and Tracy Smith
04-13-2009, 10:22 PM
We're still here, watching from afar. Life has kind of gotten in the way of our "Studebakering" (Is that a word? If not, we're sure someone will let us know...didn't show up in our mandatory pre-posting spellcheck :)). John was working out of town a lot and then got pretty sick, so the Studes had to take the back seat for awhile while we dealt with all of that. Just started back playing with George and the truck (aka "The Stude With No Name") again. Seriously, though, yes it seems like things have slowed down a bit on the forum. Maybe our next attempts to repair George's oil leaks will provide some comedic relief...as usual, it promises to be full of our mind-boggling questions, broken fingers, and requests for intervention. We still appreciate the forum and what it brings to our Studebaker lives...and just like our lives it has its bizarre moments. We're off to Crazy Monday Night Stude Chat...hope to see some of you there! P.S. Matthew, like your sig. picture!

John and Tracy Smith
Queen Creek Arizona
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bams50
04-13-2009, 10:27 PM
I don't think so. It's all in one's own mindset. It's so easy to overreact or misconstrue the intent of the written word. As in life, people sometimes speak without thinking through what they really are trying to accomplish. Some write and edit the same post several times, as opposed to just thinking before they hit "post". Some try to medicate problems in their lives by trying to cause disruptions, or make attacks. People get jealous of what others have or are doing, instead of working at getting/doing their own. Some try to curry favor with others by taking adversarial positions against people.

My point is, you can't let those things overtake the good. We connect, share information, give guidance, and come to aid of others in this virtual "family". Sometimes we get serious, sometimes we get silly; sometimes we support folks who are having a hard time. We come here to share our victories, and share our excitement at new acquisitons, and cheer each other on. If you keep your eye on that, how can you go wrong?

I've taken the occasional arrow for disagreeing with somebody, and standing up for the right thing. I've had folks I think of as friends try to take shots at me for nonsensical reasons. I have also made many good friendships with folks who respect someone who's trying to do right, even when it's unpopular. I don't let naysayers get me down, nor do I hold grudges; the reason folks do so is they don't like being proven wrong. That's okay, I'll still be here, being engaged and trying to help and contribute.

My guiding principle is legacy- as in, if a total stranger reads all my posts from Day One, will I be comfortable with the overall picture it paints of me? All in all, my answer is- Yes.

Don't let the negatives get you down, Matthew. As the saying goes, "Rage against the dying of the light!"[^]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

buddymander
04-13-2009, 10:29 PM
I have no idea what you're talking about.

Mark57
04-14-2009, 12:08 AM
Well, I still find the Forum useful for info and items as needed. I find most of the posts entertaining. Since I do not take myself (or most other people/events) too seriously, it is usually "fun" as well. ;):)

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island

The NW Overdrive Tour in Parksville, BC
May 23 & 24, 2009; check it out at -
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avantilover
04-14-2009, 03:30 AM
The forum is still great, things change that's all as different folk come and go. Ask your Grandpa, he's seen a lot of life, he can tell you about it. Now get saving your money and come down here to Oz sometime, we'd be pleased to have you here.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia
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53k
04-14-2009, 07:57 AM
Facetiously- blame it on the economy, global warming, winter SAD.
Seriously- I think people are kind of on edge about things now days- worried about jobs, health care and so on. This affects temperment. We all just have to be a little less thin skinned, let the annoyances just roll off. Things will get better.





Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia. '64 Daytona Wagonaire, '64 Daytona convertible, '53 Commander Starliner, Museum R-4 engine, '62 Gravely Model L, '72 Gravely Model 430

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Flashback
04-14-2009, 08:40 AM
Matt, there's a lot of young members, not just in
age, but new to this. Actually, you and I are some
of them. You are young and I am old, and we see
things a little different. We all need to remember
that we once was the newest one on here. It's called
a melting pot. I agree with you, there are far too
many old farts that are too serious. And, at the same
time some of the youngsters, don't realize that us old
farts are just trying to make it long enough to finish
our projects. My 34 year old son recently ask me, if I
was ever going to grow up. My answer "I hope not". We
all just need to live like we were dying. Drivum like
we stolem, and enjoy what we are doin. Think about the
new people we meet at shows, also.

Tex E. Grier
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StudeMichael
04-14-2009, 10:01 AM
It's a like a beautifual woman Matthew. She is a lot more fun in the begining!!

1957 Packard Clipper
1957 President Broadmoor
1963 Daytona Convertible
1963 R2 Daytona
1963 R2 GT Hawk
1963 R1 Wagonaire
1963 R4 Avanti
1964 Champ
1966 Cruiser

52-fan
04-14-2009, 10:16 AM
The thing that I have noticed most is the smaller number of post about projects people are working on. This may be because of the economy, winter weather, or other factors, but it is always more fun when we are reading about someones project or fielding questions about our own. When you are helping someone or getting helped you don't have time to go political or come down on someone.
Of course, there are always some people who because of their insecurities, high opinion of themslves, or other personal issues, feel that they have to strongly state their opinions. Those kind of folks pass through the local chapters also, but usually don't stay long. We all just hope they don't run off any timid souls while they are present.

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1952 Champion Starlight, 1962 Daytona, both w/overdrive.Searcy,Arkansas
"I may be lazy, but I'm not shiftless."

tutone63
04-14-2009, 10:16 AM
Well, in addition to the comments here...the older you get, the more 'common' things will become. I still have fun here...but the things that I was interested in that were fresh and new when I was 18 (only 9 years ago) seem 'old hat'. That isn't to say that the forum has become worse or you will someday grow tired of being here, but as you age, the 'newness' wears off. Of everything. WHen I was 18 I would have reacted differently to learning something totally new. I guess it is all in the way the younger mind perceives things versus the more mature mind. (not to say that I am mature or anything![:p])

This might not be the case with you, but is is something that I have noticed in myself in the last five years or so.

John and Tracy: In regards to the truck or "the studebaker with no name" I have a name for it...'Horse' (kinda like the song...the horse with no name...but then it would have a name...but I digress)
Also, since it looks to be a bit of a work'horse' and it isn't the prettiest thing out there (but sometimes that is better![8D])

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1963 Lark, 259 V8, two-tone paint, Twin Traction. Now that the salt is off the roads, she is getting back into regular rotation!

JDC
04-14-2009, 10:21 AM
I would never post progress pics of mine, I don't want to hear the negative. Not that I care, but it's still like slamming a car door on your hand on purpose.

jimmijim8
04-14-2009, 10:41 AM
quote:Originally posted by Anne F. Goodman======= As Anne has said in so few words. Her words should be in the forum's "Read Me Firsts".

jimmijim
{{Sometimes life is serious. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Sometimes they say stuff we don't want to hear. But we need to. Can't always be all fun and games. And you wouldn't want it that way.}}

Mabel 1949 Champion
1957 Silverhawk
1955 Champion 4Dr.Regal
Gus 1958 Transtar
1955 President State
1957 Golden Hawk
Fresno,Ca
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Roscomacaw
04-14-2009, 10:45 AM
I like what Michael wrote...."It's a like a beautifual woman Matthew. She is a lot more fun in the begining!!"

Matt, the inferrance of Michael's line is that anything you first take a fancy to - gets more complex as you get to know it. Heh - actually, over time, an old car is ALOT easier to deal with than a galfriend. Of course, long-time relationships with either one have their rewards as well as breakdowns.

I do tire of the PC and Decorum police, but they're sorta like barnacles. If you wanna sail the seas, ya just have to accept that they're gonna cling to your boat and try to make it a place that serves their needs.

BTW - This place ain't ALL bad - you're here![^]



Occifer Dave observes: "Everyone," never gets along. Sometimes, I may be one of, "them." If so, avoid me, and enjoy the rest."

Dave, you're the primary reason I haven't picked up and moved to Okeelahoma!;)


1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

53hardtop
04-14-2009, 10:45 AM
quote:Originally posted by JDC

I would never post progress pics of mine, I don't want to hear the negative. Not that I care, but it's still like slamming a car door on your hand on purpose.


While I am not much more than a lurker here.... I am a regular lurker!![:p] I agree that I tire of hearing the negative about cars that are posted. Just think, if you are driving down the road and see a stray Stude, it makes you grin. I am sorry if your first reaction is "It has the wrong year hubcaps". It is a Stude, it is what we are about. Enjoy it. Then someone posts a picture on here of their project or a car they saw along the road and the criticism begins. Some will say they criticize because they are trying to alert the uneducated about what is wrong with the car. While that may be true, it also serves to turn off many to the world of Studes. Reminds me of York this year, I was admiring a sharp black Avanti when the guy next to me mumbles "what's with the R2 tags? It has a Chevy in it". I was not sure if he was proud of his ability to ID a Chevy engine or what, but to me it came across as snobbish, stuck up, proud, etc. Sure some of us are rodders, some of us are concours, some like orginality, some like mods. Just remember, everyone has an opinion. We are entitled to it, we are entitled to share it. However, we are also entitled to the backlash that sharing it can bring.

We are moderated very well here. I appreciate it. However, even things that are acceptable to our guidelines and our moderator, can drive people away. I quit reading the old newsgroup long before it vanished because there was no positive or fun left in it. Please keep this place fun..

Now.. back to lurking.

Rob in ND
'53 Commander Hardtop Resto-Mod (work in progress)

Roscomacaw
04-14-2009, 10:59 AM
Heh........ I was thinking about this perpetually rehashed topic after I posted my last reply.

Guys, gals, when we manage to sculpt this place to the idyllic "thing" we think it ought to be. One universally acknowledged concoction that we ALL agree is beautiful!...... we need to bring it to the attention of the US capitol, the United Nations and world leaders. It'll be a pinnacle achievement that'll spread peace around the globe.[^]
Just THINK of the pride of it! Studebakers - the answer to what ails mankind![:0]

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Scott
04-14-2009, 11:11 AM
FUN? What's that?

JBOYLE
04-14-2009, 11:17 AM
Can't we all get along? :D

Members have always felt pretty confortable here, so like you do when you're around friends, some speak their mind. Perhaps too freely, it seems.
And some people take offense to what is sometimes said.

What some see as good natured car talk (say about a car on ebay...as opposed a car owned by a forum member who will read what we say and perhaps take it to heart) others see as an impolite insult.
When I say something a bit out there or sarcastic, I try to make sure it's seen a bit tongue in cheek by using theses guys...:D:D:D (that's the problem with the internet, it's tough to get a feeling for any humor/sarcasm/comic exaggeration).

But others seem to be a bit stonger in their thoughts.
When I suggested that gas stations provide windshield cleaners and maybe free air for tires, someone suggested that next time I'd want a free Rolex. Another time, I was compared to a Nazi when I said the job of a military officer was to follow orders.
I don't think they were joking, buit I told myself they may have been and gave them the benefit of the doubt.


All of us have got to chill and not be so quick to take offense.
We're all here because we like a old car that's been out of production for more than 40 years. Most of society would see us as silly for putting time and money into something like that. Just a reminder, we're not curing cancer here.
We better loosen up and stick together.:D

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

ddub
04-14-2009, 11:27 AM
No, Matt, it is not just you. I think that some of the most interesting posters have been discouraged from posting.

Don Wilson
53 Commander Hardtop
64 Champ 1/2 ton
Centralia, WA

jimmijim8
04-14-2009, 11:34 AM
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Radsman
04-14-2009, 12:03 PM
I don't post here to the forum very often (just over a hundred times), but as others have stated, I check it out all the time and in fact, usually several times a day with great anticipation. That includes at work and when out and about using my iPhone. I do think too that the content here has dropped off in the last few years, the reasons I could only guess at. But I will also say if someone is not part of the "inner circle" (I made that up), a not-in-the-In-Crowd guy such as myself, I will only get minimal to zero responses to questions or comments that I post (maybe all my posts are just lame, I don't know). But if certain individuals post anything at all, POW- there will be 40 responses right away and more in the days that follow. IMHO.

JBOYLE
04-14-2009, 12:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by Radsman
But I will also say if someone is not part of the "inner circle" (I made that up), a not-in-the-In-Crowd guy such as myself, I will only get minimal to zero responses to questions or comments that I post (maybe all my posts are just lame, I don't know). But if certain individuals post anything at all, POW- there will be 40 responses right away and more in the days that follow. IMHO.


Some of the time I think the long time members/experts get tired of answering the "same old questions"...forgetting that they're new questions for some of us new to Studes.
Don't take it personally, it happens to everyone.
Do a search on the topic. If that doesn't work, try again with different phrasing or put in the the Tech forum..

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

jimmijim8
04-14-2009, 12:31 PM
Your observance could very well be correct. Some people would trip over each other to be the first to post back at an as you say at an innercircularian's question or thread topic. No different than like you were a part of "who's who of whatever". They may just want to be embraced as part of the inner circle only. You know, squeaky wheel gets the grease. I and many others will and do respond to out of circularian questions without prejudice. I will only reply if I think I can somewhat address your question. It's a very small circle. Non circularian jimmijim

MyStude_Baker
04-14-2009, 01:14 PM
I have answered similar questions of this type and I always reply with the same answer. I don't see a problem with the forum and I am a newbie. I have been personally shunned by the cars I drive out in public without a forum. I have been laughed at in Parades, insulted in parking lots, and even been put down by mechanics. I have been forced to drive some modern wheels for several years now, and I'm getting so bored with driving it, that running errands is tiring. I like to park a car, and have spontaneous conversations with people I don't know. I like the attention I get with a rarity on the road, even if that attention is negative. What I'm trying to say is that I have been so immune to such criticism that most of time when someone makes a harsh comment I can't even tell the difference. I saw a somewhat negative post recently and I noticed how down responses were to it, so I posted a positive one in its place, and it took off like wild fire. It even showed up in Turning Wheels this month, so don't get discouraged. If you don't like what's being posted, post again. If don't like that, post again. Keep posting until you change the posture of the forum.

1951 Commander Land cruiser

Roscomacaw
04-14-2009, 01:28 PM
We're getting closer to one part of the truth here. Yeah - alot of the "regulars" get tired of re-answering questions that may have been answered a hundred times before. Or snappy rebukes are handed out if someone says something less than savvy when it's perceived they certainly ought to know that answer by now.[B)]
Lately, I've slacked off the pace of posting that initially got me to be the lead poster here, but that's because there's other folks (a number of which are more qualified than me) here that can answer tech questions. Still, while there's nothing wrong with telling someone to use the "search" function to find an answer, it's sure not very personal and warm.[B)]




1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

tluz
04-14-2009, 01:48 PM
I just joined the forum a couple of months ago because I bought a decrepit Avanti and need restoration advice. I know nothing about Studebakers, and not that much about cars. I am unaware of the politics of the forum (although I'm learning that some exists) and, other than meeting some of you briefly in York last month, know no one. So my comments might be hopelessly naive but I can give you whatever benefit a first impression is worth.

I have asked a couple of questions in the Technical Talk section and gotten prompt, helpful responses. One member bailed me out of a jam by hauling a spare brake booster to York and giving me a decent price. I have found invaluable discussions on every conceivable topic and have been struck by the passion and humor of the oddballs who have wandered in the desert for 40+ years with their beloved Studes. Occasionally people get testy, but looking at the entirety of their postings, they don't stay that way for long.

I don't know what the forum used to be like, but IMHO it's pretty great now and I hope you all stay with it. If there are people who don't participate any more because of some isolated comment from a knucklehead, come back. I need the help. Anyway, thanks for all of your thoughts and information and thanks in advance for putting up with my (almost certainly) stupid questions.

BubbaBear
04-14-2009, 02:08 PM
quote:Originally posted by sweetolbob

Matt

Exactly my thoughts.

Seems like when I joined the forum it was like a gathering of old friends that got together regularly and exchanged thoughts, information and jabs. Everybody had a good time, took little seriously and left friends.

The forum continues to be a wealth of information and data but has lost the good natured banter aspect.

It seems that if you offer an opinion (PC or Non-PC) there is a bevy of vultures ready descend on the carcass before it's dead. Nothing seems to go unscathed in the current environment.

It may be the nature of the beast, as described, but I for one have decided not to "poke the bear". You may have noticed that I've been posting less and less and will continue to lurk more and more.
It's interesting that it took the younger folks to note the change.

Thanks for the observation.

Bob [V]

P.S. It's not the grown-up world. Grownups can handle adversity and not strike out with the venom this site has demonstrated recently.

IMHO

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Perhaps that is part of the problem. And I mean that in a good way. Maybe you should post more. Don't let the negative posters take over. Posters like you can keep this forum good. Don't let it turn into those others we see all over the Internet. Remember:

‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’

This forum is still light years ahead of others I know. I'm relatively new here but I've been amazed at the camaraderie. I've seen a couple of little spats. But they are short in duration. On other boards I've seen them go on for pages and last for days. And for grudges to go on for months. It's still a good place. But don't let the few problems chase the good people away. Because if we do it won't be anymore.


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starliner62
04-14-2009, 02:14 PM
Ok, I agree, but I refuse to hug some of you!![}:)];)
quote:Originally posted by JBOYLE

Can't we all get along? :D

Members have always felt pretty confortable her, so like you do when you're around friends, some speak their mind. Perhaps too freely, it seems.
And some people take offense to what is sometimes said.

What some see as good natured car talk (say about a car on ebay...as opposed to a forum memner who will read what we say and perhaps take it to heart) others see as an impolite insult.
When I say something a bit out there or sarcastic, I try to make sure it's seen a bit tongue in cheek by using theses guys...:D:D:D (that's the problem with the internet, it's tough to get a feeling for any humor/sarcasm/comic exaggeration).

But others seem to be a bit stonger in their thoughts.
When I suggested that gas stations provide windshield cleaners and maybe free air for tires, someone suggested that next time I'd want a free Rolex. Another time, I was compared to a Nazi when I said the job of a military officer was to follow orders.
I don't think they were joking, buit I told myself they may have been and gave them the benefit of the doubt.


All of us have got to chill and not be so quick to take offense.
We're all here because we like a old car that's been out of production for more than 40 years. Most of society would see us as silly for putting time and money into something like that. Just a reminder, we're not curing cancer here.
We better loosen up and stick together.:D

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State


Jamie McLeod
Hope Mills, NC

Kurt
04-14-2009, 03:24 PM
I lurk way more than I ever post, and I too have noticed a change. I believe that this forum is no different than eveyday life. There are all kinds of people in this world. Some get along, some don't. I still enjoy coming here and catching up on the Stude news, and will continue to do so. I have one thought that may be way off base, but will share it anyway, Stude people get ribbed, teased, made fun of, because the cars are out of the mainstream, maybe this is why some are ultra sensitive.

66 Commander R1 Clone
51 Commander 4dr

sals54
04-14-2009, 04:12 PM
I believe you will always find whatever you are looking for, whether in life or here on the formerly innocent, but now wretched, forum. Personally, I find most of the forum posts to be entertaining and quite often, educational. But that's what I'm looking for.

sals54
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starliner62
04-14-2009, 04:25 PM
On the serious side, I remember a lot of folks here that were also on the old newsgroup. (now that was a nasty place at times!)
Even though I went away for a while and did not discover this forum until last year, it seems to me that most of the "good" guys came to this forum. I agree that it has to be moderated of it would be a flame fest as the newsgroup was.

I read the posts here for both entertainment and education, which I am grateful for.

This forum also enabled me to catch up with old friends and meet some new ones. So, I'll take the good with the bad. I have pretty thick skin, so the negative comments don't bother me. If we were all alike, this would be a pretty boring place.

Jamie McLeod
Hope Mills, NC

BobGlasscock
04-14-2009, 04:29 PM
Lack of IMHO

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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black56hawk
04-14-2009, 05:04 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

I don't think so. It's all in one's own mindset. It's so easy to overreact or misconstrue the intent of the written word. As in life, people sometimes speak without thinking through what they really are trying to accomplish. Some write and edit the same post several times, as opposed to just thinking before they hit "post". Some try to medicate problems in their lives by trying to cause disruptions, or make attacks. People get jealous of what others have or are doing, instead of working at getting/doing their own. Some try to curry favor with others by taking adversarial positions against people.

My point is, you can't let those things overtake the good. We connect, share information, give guidance, and come to aid of others in this virtual "family". Sometimes we get serious, sometimes we get silly; sometimes we support folks who are having a hard time. We come here to share our victories, and share our excitement at new acquisitons, and cheer each other on. If you keep your eye on that, how can you go wrong?

I've taken the occasional arrow for disagreeing with somebody, and standing up for the right thing. I've had folks I think of as friends try to take shots at me for nonsensical reasons. I have also made many good friendships with folks who respect someone who's trying to do right, even when it's unpopular. I don't let naysayers get me down, nor do I hold grudges; the reason folks do so is they don't like being proven wrong. That's okay, I'll still be here, being engaged and trying to help and contribute.

My guiding principle is legacy- as in, if a total stranger reads all my posts from Day One, will I be comfortable with the overall picture it paints of me? All in all, my answer is- Yes.

Don't let the negatives get you down, Matthew. As the saying goes, "Rage against the dying of the light!"[^]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"



With meek and unaffected grace,
His looks adorned the venerable place;
In his duty prompt at every call,
He watched and wept, he prayed and felt for all;

In arguing, too, he owned his skill,
For, even though vanquished, he could argue still;
His words of learned length and thundering sound
Amazed the gazing rustics ringed around;

And still they gazed
And still their wonder grew
That one small head
Could hold all he knew

Transtar56
04-14-2009, 05:17 PM
I liked the old newsgroup better,but this is a good place.

JDP
04-14-2009, 05:22 PM
I just got bored with spending a lot of time answering the same questions, and not being able to politely nit pick Ebay Studebaker's.:) All work and no play.

JDP/Maryland

tbredehoft
04-14-2009, 05:26 PM
The Statler Brothers said it best,

And the class of '57 had it's dreams,
Oh, we all thought we'd change the world with our great works and deeds.
Or maybe we just thought the world would change to fit our needs,
The class of '57 had it's dreams.

I've been slacking off, I passed 3 score and 10 some time back, and realized that I didn't really hump, my lifetime project (antique glass research) would outlive me, so I've been working 5 to 8 hrs a day on it. Also waiting for nice weather so I can pull a particular steering gear, repair a particular frame, and find a monster oil leak.


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Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe (since 1959)
'55 President (6H Y6) State Sedan
(Under Construction 573 hrs.)
'05 Legacy Ltd Wagon
All Indiana built cars

bams50
04-14-2009, 06:25 PM
Thanks, black56hawk, I love that. Much appreciated!

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Dick Steinkamp
04-14-2009, 06:41 PM
I'm feeling a lot like Matt these days.

Seems to be more anger than fun on average.

Anger about someone doing something different to a Stude than they would do. Anger than someone doesn't do a search instead of asking a question. Anger that we can't pick apart others' cars more. Anger that we do it too much. Anger that Stude prices are on the increase. Anger that they aren't.

Then there is the anger about politics...and even though most of those threads get shut down eventually, the hate and anger just lays there since the posts and/or threads are seldom deleted. Other forums I belong to just flat out don't allow political posts. They get deleted quickly and the poster is booted if the behavior continues. I wish we would do the same here.

Political and other angry/hate filled posts are what did in the predecessor to this form (alt.autos.studebaker). That forum went from over 5,000 posts a month to less than 100 when folks got tired of being force fed politics by the same few and drifted away...

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.studebaker/about?hl=en

We seem to have the "usual suspects" here that just can't help mixing politics with Studebakers. I sincerely hope the same doesn't happen here, but it is headed that way IMHO.



I'd like to make a suggestion that might help get things back on track.

Do away with counting posts and "rewarding" members for the number of posts they make.

I've never understood why we do this. It only creates hard feelings, competition, the "need" for some to say SOMETHING in every thread, and the "alpha dog" syndrome.

Mr. Biggs EARNED his position as the #1 poster on this forum by getting it kick started for all of us. Let's retire his number and do away with counting and reporting posts.









Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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jmccarrol@hotmail.com
04-14-2009, 06:55 PM
I joined this site because I noticed that for the most part the restorers and rod & custum people seemed to get along. Everyone is different right. Well my last question was answered by four people.
The last person's answer was the only positive one and the rest left me thinking of the old saying, "that if you have nothing good to say then keep quiet." Maybe the economy is getting to everybody. Joe

Steve T
04-14-2009, 06:59 PM
Dick--

Interesting idea...might level things off. Wonder how difficult that change would be to make? Speaking as a "middling" poster (something a bit over 500 since joining in late '07), I can say it would not bother me were I no longer a "Golden Hawk Member"...I'm a Lark VI guy anyway...:D

On the up side, even when it's not at its best this forum is usually way more civil than the airplane fora I also frequent (and from which I have oftentimes taken extended breaks for just those reasons). Also on the up side, just as with the airplane fora, these trends are cyclical...it will get better. (And worse again, and better again!)

S.

mbstude
04-14-2009, 07:02 PM
VERY well said. And I like that idea.



quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

I'm feeling a lot like Matt these days.

Seems to be more anger than fun on average.

Anger about someone doing something different to a Stude than they would do. Anger than someone doesn't do a search instead of asking a question. Anger that we can't pick apart others' cars more. Anger that we do it too much. Anger that Stude prices are on the increase. Anger that they aren't.

Then there is the anger about politics...and even though most of those threads get shut down eventually, the hate and anger just lays there since the posts and/or threads are seldom deleted. Other forums I belong to just flat out don't allow political posts. They get deleted quickly and the poster is booted if the behavior continues. I wish we would do the same here.

Political and other angry/hate filled posts are what did in the predecessor to this form (alt.autos.studebaker). That forum went from over 5,000 posts a month to less than 100 when folks got tired of being force fed politics by the same few and drifted away...

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.studebaker/about?hl=en

We seem to have the "usual suspects" here that just can't help mixing politics with Studebakers. I sincerely hope the same doesn't happen here, but it is headed that way IMHO.



I'd like to make a suggestion that might help get things back on track.

Do away with counting posts and "rewarding" members for the number of posts they make.

I've never understood why we do this. It only creates hard feelings, competition, the "need" for some to say SOMETHING in every thread, and the "alpha dog" syndrome.

Mr. Biggs EARNED his position as the #1 poster on this forum by getting it kick started for all of us. Let's retire his number and do away with counting and reporting posts.









Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA



Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

55s
04-14-2009, 07:15 PM
I have found this site to be extremely useful.

There are many experts with excellent advice. Almost everyone offers helpful advice, encouragement and knowledge.

It is possible that, after a few years, many of the "normal" topics have been covered very, very, very well, such as gas tank repairs, POR 15, tires, stainless repair - the list goes on and on. This site is an incredible resource offering practical suggestions on how to do stuff.

I'm running out of questions, because someone has usually asked it already, and the search feature finds me an answer.

There are also links to membership renewals, more resource information, Studebaker stories, pictures and more.

Hats off to Bob for creating such a useful site, and making sure nothing gets out of hand. Thank you.

Paul

JBOYLE
04-14-2009, 10:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp
Do away with counting posts and "rewarding" members for the number of posts they make.


I've got to start paying attention in the meetings.
I didn't know it was a contest!
If so what are the prizes?
S-I and SASCO gift certificates I hope!:D

Seriously, I come here to learn about old cars and Studes in general and my Avanti in particlar (which seems like a good idea since I'm spending good hard-earned money restoring one and this is probably the largest resository of Studebaker knowledge out there. I want to make the car as good as I can, and you are the experts.)

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

ChampTrucking
04-14-2009, 10:44 PM
IMHO I believe the stress of everyday life is effecting people more than they realize.There is so much negative news in the world,and the talking head newscasters racing to be the first to inform us of the latest wrong doing. If you are around negativity for any length of time,it rubs off even if you yourself do not notice.
Dick has a good point on the numbers game,but to me it is as irrelevant as chasing trophies with a hundred point restoration.Different strokes for different folks. Of all the individuals I have met both here and at the old forum,only one guy has turned out to be a real horses arse. On the other hand I have made some friends for life,and I am thankful for that fact,and for the wealth of information shared freely here. I do wish JDP would post more since I have been guilty of living vicariously thru his posts LOL.
Everything in life ebbs and flows. I think now that Spring is here (for some parts of the country anyhow) peoples attitudes will improve and good humor will reawaken in our daily lives. I also hope that the economy improves and the invisible weight of everyday life we are all carrying upon our shoulders will lighten and allow all of our spirits to rise. All this from a certified pessimist such as myself! LOL I think I need a beer......

bams50
04-14-2009, 11:00 PM
I don't get the "rewarding" thing either. What are the "rewards"? Do people really care about the number of posts? I do not. I am surprised to see I have the third-largest post count. So what? It got there because I feel like a part of something here. I post to most threads- not all- because I want to participate, and do so- but feel no need to. When someone has a major interest in a given field, it's mostly well-received by like-minded folks. But strangely, there seems to be a few that get bothered, like their "turf" is being invaded or something, and that's where straw-man excuses like this are generated. I've actually seen people try to say that they're not welcome here because they "don't have enough posts" or some variation of that. It's ridiculous.

I don't care if the post count is there or not. I became a "Commander" member thousands of posts ago. Is my reward for it wearing a bull's eye? Does that mean if it's removed the bull's-eye will be gone? If the post count is removed, the gripers will just have to find another manufactured reason to hate.

About politics? Fine with me if they're immediately removed. I NEVER start one of those discussions, and do not miss them when they aren't. But I will stand up for what's right if need be- always. Making the Forum 100% politic-free would be great; but awfully hard to police without spending day and night watching. But if there's a way, I'm all for it. In any case, the threads that aren't deleted will always be there. Going back to what I said about legacy, if they're erased, OK with me; but if not, I am fine with mine.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

bams50
04-14-2009, 11:06 PM
quote:Originally posted by ChampTrucking

IMHO I believe the stress of everyday life is effecting people more than they realize.There is so much negative news in the world,and the talking head newscasters racing to be the first to inform us of the latest wrong doing. If you are around negativity for any length of time,it rubs off even if you yourself do not notice.
I also hope that the economy improves and the invisible weight of everyday life we are all carrying upon our shoulders will lighten and allow all of our spirits to rise.

Lot of wisdom in that, Rich. I know I've got an awful lot of that myself right now. Makes me even more determined to fight my way back!

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Roscomacaw
04-14-2009, 11:48 PM
"Lot of wisdom in that, Rich."

And YOU would be the one to pass judegement on any such thinking. If it has your stamp of approval, you KNOW you're wearing a "White hat". You're the say-all, end-all of right and wrong here. Whether we like it or not.[B)]

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Studewannabe
04-15-2009, 03:06 AM
Hallo,

Whatever happens i will keep returning to this site,as often as possible, like i imagine a lot of other lurkers.The whole world is edgy now(and cash strapped!)

I think that is part of the reason that the eye candy photos get good comments. Everyone love to see a Stude and smiling driver in a happy everyday setting(like the girl in the purple Lark!, although an old Geeser like Mark57 in his old truck might also work?)

All the abovementioned comments on life is correct, in April 2009 i think we need to have lots of lighthearted stuff, real life photos and references to your videos, please.


(Matthew,you should consider setting up a photo of Christine on a water covered surface; like you did with the pumpkin; that would put a smile on a lot of faces!)

Peet,
Pretoria

bams50
04-15-2009, 04:35 AM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

"Lot of wisdom in that, Rich."

And YOU would be the one to pass judegement on any such thinking. If it has your stamp of approval, you KNOW you're wearing a "White hat". You're the say-all, end-all of right and wrong here. Whether we like it or not.[B)]



Legacy.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Roscomacaw
04-15-2009, 07:52 AM
"Legacy"

Of course! I was simply stating universally acknowledged fact.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

JRoberts
04-15-2009, 10:03 AM
I tend to agree with Matthew and Dick on this subject. I really have seen a bunch of negative stuff lately and am disappointed in it. I do much more lurking than posting any more.

Now with that said I will admit that I usually get some very good answers to my questions. That is important.

Still I miss the good natured chatter that used to go on here. I do not think we are close to what the old newsgroup degenerated into and I hope we never do.

Recently I met a fellow at Maxton who brought down a '53 coupe to run at the ECTA Speed Trials. He is from York, PA. I mentioned the swap meet and wrongly assumed that he was part of the SDC. Come to find out he had been to the York Swap Meet twice, the last time this year. Both time he had been fairly openly insulted in front of his son because he was modifying his car (Chevy power) and because it was full of "patina", etc. Now I know that this does not always happen, but it happens enough to be noticed. This gentleman swears he will never join the SDC or return to the York Swap meet again. I think I will suggest that next year he and I hook up at the meet and I'll direct him to the better sort of our folks.

I am saying this as a reminder of how much damage we can do with what we say, even unintentionally.

Joe Roberts
'61 R1 Champ
'65 Cruiser
Editor of "The Down Easterner"
Eastern North Carolina Chapter

tutone63
04-15-2009, 10:32 AM
From a different perspective: My wife and I lead busy lives. So busy, that the chances for me to make it to chapter meetings and cruise-ins is slim. I think I make maybe 4 car shows a year, and that is a lot for us. This is really the only place that I can come on a regular basis and have "studebaker talk". I wish I could make it to the meets and cruise ins, and to more car shows...but life doesn't work out that way for us. This, I guess, is the closest I come to getting together with folks with the same hobby. It kinda sucks that I have to do it over the computer as opposed to in person, but I enjoy it tremendously. There will always be things that are said in person and on the computer that some may take the wrong way, or that may be given in the wrong way, but that is what happens when you get diverse people together. I know that voice inflection is important, and in person, many things can be shrugged off. ON the computer, though, not only is it said without voice inflection, but it is in print, to where you can go over it repeatedly. It seems that in my experience, printed words hold more power than spoken words. I do not know why that is, but it happens..or at least it seems that way.

Anyhow, As stated before, this is really the only place I can come to get a chance to talk with folks of the same hobby, and I like it here. I will always come back, take the good, leave the bad, try to make peace when I feel that some peace needs made. Above all, I will try to be a positive poster, keeping silent in matters of controversy, especially in politics, religion, and the like. If I do happen to offend some, it is never intended.

Rock on![8D]

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1963 Lark, 259 V8, two-tone paint, Twin Traction. Now that the salt is off the roads, she is getting back into regular rotation!

Studedude
04-15-2009, 05:06 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.BiggsOccifer Dave observes: "Everyone," never gets along. Sometimes, I may be one of, "them." If so, avoid me, and enjoy the rest."

Dave, you're the primary reason I haven't picked up and moved to Okeelahoma!;)Shucks! Now I feel just terrible!

Don't let me stop you from improving your life... move on up here, I'll leave ya alone! ;)

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DAVE, THE EVIL TWIN FROM OKLAHOMA

BobGlasscock
04-15-2009, 05:30 PM
I have refrained from posting here so far (except for a 3 word post), but I now want to chime in. I think it boils down to some people just don't get it when it comes to realizing that what they think is just their own opinion. Which is what they think in their head. Some people believe that 'what they think' is the only truth, and some of them believe that it is their calling to convince the rest of the world that they are right and everyone else is wrong. They cannot offer this opinion with the realization that it can be either accepted or rejected. Others are unable to compartmentalize worldly activities as seperate subjects dependent only upon the actions within that particular activity. They think all 'functions' of activities are related to another one activity. And if they have a 'problem' with one function of life, they are apt to carry that gripe into functions that everyone else sees as seperate issues.
In both of these instances, the best thing for other people to do is to ignore those people's statements and stick to the desired issue of discussion. Those who cannot see the difference between the value of their opinion and that of others are just lost in their own skulls.

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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gordr
04-15-2009, 06:15 PM
I think there are a number of factors at work here. Like Rich says, the bad economy may have made people grumpy, and being cooped up by the cold winter weather hasn't helped either. Also, I think that some folks are getting a little blase. "Been there, done that, doncha know?"

Somebody made mention of a nice black Chevy-powered Avanti with R2 emblems on it. On the face of it, that sounds a little tacky, but maybe there's a story to it. Could be a little "in-joke" on the owner's part, or maybe a guy simply fell heir to an engine-less Avanti with the emblems, swapped in a mouse motor, and left the emblems on simply because he was unaware of the significance. Who knows? But there's nothing wrong with taking note of the fact and making a remark, as long as one is not being needlessly hostile.

Frankly, I never minded the eBay critiques, either. They were a fun way to get some good authenticity information, and sometimes, you know, even the real dogs might be an opportunity if they happen to be close by. Just as long as we refrain from making nasty remarks about the sellers, except in the rare instance where one is certain that the listing is fraudulent or the seller is an out-and-out crook.

I think when Spring finally kicks in, and we can get back to playing with cars, that the Forum will perk up a bit. Myself, I get to go home for a few days starting Friday or Saturday, and I will TRY to spend at least one day of quality time in the shop. Woo-Hoo!

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

Dick Steinkamp
04-15-2009, 06:31 PM
quote:Originally posted by BobGlasscock
Some people believe that 'what they think' is the only truth, and some of them believe that it is their calling to convince the rest of the world that they are right and everyone else is wrong.


So true. The sad part is those folks have no idea they are doing that and pi$$ing others off in the process...even when they are told point blank they continue their "crusade".

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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DilloCrafter
04-15-2009, 06:35 PM
I noticed toward the end of last winter (and the one before) that guys who live in colder climates appeared to be affected by SADS (Seasonal Affective Disorder Syndrome). At least that's how I attributed most of the grumpiness that was being displayed. Matthew lives in sunny south Georgia, where SADS doesn't come into play. But there's no doubt some weight to these other reasons that have been given for our forum's current "un-fun-ness", too.

At least we can go to the Technical side of the forum and get answers to questions and problems, rather than soooo many opinions. And I'm very thankful for those technical answers!

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Paul Simpson
"DilloCrafter"

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

63t-cab
04-15-2009, 08:35 PM
Something Mr.Biggs said, some regulars get tired of the same questions being asked!not sure why?it's just a simple question needing a simple answer."they have the option not to reply,and let someone else"that wo'nt be upset with a repeat question" give advice!and then there is "use the "search" funtion" / use the shop manuel or parts book. well if we all did that I do'nt think there would be much going on here.and is'nt that exactly what we all want?lots of action to keep this forum alive,as other ones have dried up.when I was in school there was a teacher that would always say"folks I do'nt care how many times I have to tell you,I just want you to understand!!!" that will be with me till my toes tip.

Joseph R. Zeiger

Studedude
04-15-2009, 08:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.BiggsOf course! I was simply stating universally acknowledged fact.
Lot of wisdom in that, Bob.

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DAVE, THE EVIL TWIN FROM OKLAHOMA

Studedude
04-15-2009, 08:52 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp
So true. The sad part is those folks have no idea they are doing that and pi$$ing others off in the process...even when they are told point blank they continue their "crusade".
Lot of wisdom in that, Dick.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r113/DavesPlace_photos/Misc/corn.jpg
DAVE, THE EVIL TWIN FROM OKLAHOMA

Studedude
04-15-2009, 08:57 PM
quote:Originally posted by BobGlasscock

I think it boils down to some people just don't get it when it comes to realizing that what they think is just their own opinion. Which is what they think in their head. Some people believe that 'what they think' is the only truth, and some of them believe that it is their calling to convince the rest of the world that they are right and everyone else is wrong. They cannot offer this opinion with the realization that it can be either accepted or rejected. Others are unable to compartmentalize worldly activities as seperate subjects dependent only upon the actions within that particular activity. They think all 'functions' of activities are related to another one activity. And if they have a 'problem' with one function of life, they are apt to carry that gripe into functions that everyone else sees as seperate issues.
In both of these instances, the best thing for other people to do is to ignore those people's statements and stick to the desired issue of discussion. Those who cannot see the difference between the value of their opinion and that of others are just lost in their own skulls.

Lot of wisdom in that, Bob.

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Dick Steinkamp
04-15-2009, 09:00 PM
quote:Originally posted by Studedude

Lot of wisdom in that, Bob.

Lot of wisdom in that, Dick.

Lot of wisdom in that, Bob.


In general, just a lot of wisdom.

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Studedude
04-15-2009, 09:09 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick SteinkampIn general, just a lot of wisdom.
[:o)]
Unauthorized as it might be.

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rockne10
04-15-2009, 09:21 PM
A wise man once said.............
Well, he didn't say anything; just smiled and munched on a turnip.

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showbizkid
04-15-2009, 09:23 PM
For what it's worth, I love this place. It's my oasis on the Net. I've gotten a snarky comment once or twice, but why let it bother?

And when I get back from NAB in a couple of weeks, I'm going to get back under my car again. And the dumb questions will resume their flow :)


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Jessie J.
04-15-2009, 09:36 PM
I love this place too, its on my favorites list, and most days I check in at least a half a dozen times.
One change, and the one thing that I really do miss, is JDPs pictorials and updates on his latest projects.
They used to contribute so much to the color and life of this forum, and inspired others to get cracking and just get 'er done.
Sad day when the sour-grapes prevail.

BobGlasscock
04-15-2009, 09:56 PM
quote:
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Originally posted by Studedude

Lot of wisdom in that, Bob.

Lot of wisdom in that, Dick.

Lot of wisdom in that, Bob.

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In general, just a lot of wisdom.



Dick Steinkamp
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bams50
04-16-2009, 05:47 AM
quote:Originally posted by rockne10

A wise man once said.............
Well, he didn't say anything; just smiled and munched on a turnip.


;)[^]

Thank you. I hadn't intended to respond to this thread any more, but frankly I was overwhelmed- and humbled- by the support by e-mail from so many good friends- some I didn't even realize. Your comments mean a lot. Yes, I do see the irony of the comments in relation to the original subject. No one has to explain why they don't want to post publicly on this subject; you are very much appreciated all the same.

Don't let the few negative posters get you upset, or be angry with them. As I said previously, they're building the legacy they want to leave, which is their right.

I will close with a Latin phrase which seems appropos here:

Res ipsa loquitur.


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BShaw
04-16-2009, 04:03 PM
I don't think there's anything constructive being said any longer so I'm locking this down.

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