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jim nichols
04-11-2009, 12:51 PM
When I take my 60 Hawk to car shows it never fails for someone to start a conversation by saying Studebaker was ahead of it's time!
I always agree of course, but I got to thinking recently what about Studebaker firsts? Just what were the firsts introduced to the automobile industry before any other US manufactures came up with the ideas? Can anyone think of them or suggest a publication that lists them?[?]

Studebaker Wheel
04-11-2009, 01:09 PM
You have to look no further than the "Almanac" in your January 1996 Turning Wheels, pages 42-44.

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

Roscomacaw
04-11-2009, 02:04 PM
Studebaker DID pioneer alot of firsts as far as engineering AND Styling goes, but what usually grinds me is the follow-on contention that it was their being "ahead of their time" that was a major factor of their demise.[B)] That's just stupid. Fact is, when such claimants are pressed to explain how so, they'll offer up stuff they know nothing about. It's just a classic urban legend theme that's really well entrenched in gearhead mythology.[:o)]

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

jim nichols
04-11-2009, 02:11 PM
Thanks Richard,

I will search for the TW Jan 1996 issue. My membership and TW didn't start until 8/05. If anyone has the Jan 1996 TW issue and would like to sell it please let me know.

Thanks / Jim Nichols
64 Sky High Drive
Blue Ridge GA
30513

Roscomacaw
04-11-2009, 04:40 PM
I'll look thru the several boxes of TWs I have, Jim. '96 is new enough that I might have one.:)

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Studebaker Wheel
04-11-2009, 04:41 PM
Jim; here is the list. I am sure there are a few more.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/firstsstudebaker.jpg?t=1239485900

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

jclary
04-11-2009, 05:16 PM
When I display my '48 business coupe, I address a little known Studebaker first. It goes like this....


1948
STUDEBAKER
THREE PASSENGER COUPE
(BUSINESS COUPE)

COLOR: HOLIDAY RED
EQUIPPED WITH;
OVERDRIVE
CLIMATIZER FRESH AIR HEATER
DEFROSTER
HILL HOLDER
PUSHBUTTON RADIO
FOG LIGHTS

UPHOLSTERY IS ORIGINAL FABRIC

SPECIAL “AHEAD OF IT’S TIME” FEATURE!
FIRST WITH “STEALTH” TECHNOLOGY!
FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS THIS CAR WAS UNDETECTED BY RADAR, LASER,PRETTY GIRLS,USED CAR DEALERS, AND CAR COLLECTORS. ONLY A SELECT FEW OF US WITH “ANTI-STEALTH” PERSONALITIES ARE ABLE TO DETECT AND ENJOY THESE DELIGHTFUL, ROLLING CREATIONS!





John Clary
Greer, SC
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I have only two limitations ...BRAINS & ENERGY
SDC member since 1975

buddymander
04-11-2009, 05:27 PM
I read the list. Wasn't Studebaker the first one to have the H-pattern floor shift? Or was that Hupmobile?

Gary1953
04-11-2009, 05:38 PM
John,
I like your stealth comments. I may steal them.

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Gary Sanders
Nixa, MO
President Toy Studebaker Collectors Club. Have an interest in Toy Studebakers? Contact me for details.

Ron Dame
04-11-2009, 05:46 PM
OK, I've always wondered and never asked: Just what IS 'mechanical' power steering? No hydraulics? A bunch of levers and gears? What IS it?




quote:Originally posted by Studebaker Wheel

Jim; here is the list. I am sure there are a few more.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/firstsstudebaker.jpg?t=1239485900

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review


Ron Dame
'63 Champ

Transtar60
04-11-2009, 07:55 PM
Two more come to mind for trucks.
1960 first pickup truck with factory installed sliding rear window.
1961 first 1/2 and 3/4 ton pickup trucks available w/ 5spd OD.

http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10056/5E13%20Pic%203.JPG
3E38
4E2
4E28
5E13
7E7
8E7
8E12
8E28

59 Lark
etc

kurtruk
04-11-2009, 07:57 PM
And what is the "internal hot spot"[:I][:I][:I] in 1920.[?]

Also, I thought they were the first with laminated safety glass windshield...[?]

Richard Q.[?]

KURTRUK
(read it backwards)


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JeffDeWitt
04-11-2009, 09:01 PM
Interesting collection of "firsts", some of them are a little odd, not sure how much of a claim to fame the "safety eye speedometer" is or the Climatizer under the front seat but steel backed replaceable bearings, seat belts, self energizing brakes, disk brakes, vacuum advance, and Twin Traction ARE big deals!

That list looks like it came from the Studebaker PR department.

Jeff DeWitt
http://carolinastudes.net
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8E45E
04-11-2009, 09:18 PM
quote:Originally posted by Transtar60
1960 first pickup truck with factory installed sliding rear window.


Actually, a sliding back window was an option on the Coupe Express, but the first postwar application was on the 1947 Ford and Mercury trucks.

Craig

Dick Steinkamp
04-11-2009, 09:42 PM
quote:Originally posted by JeffDeWitt

Interesting collection of "firsts", some of them are a little odd, not sure how much of a claim to fame the "safety eye speedometer" is or the Climatizer under the front seat but steel backed replaceable bearings, seat belts, self energizing brakes, disk brakes, vacuum advance, and Twin Traction ARE big deals!

That list looks like it came from the Studebaker PR department.




I agree. Not to belittle Studebaker's accomplishments, but was free wheeling really the greatest step forward in automotive engineering since the self starter?

I don't think I would have put mechanical power steering on the list. IIRC they installed it on a handful of cars, then scrapped the cars when they found out it didn't work.

Was the Lark really the first totally new dimension in motoring? Seems to me Rambler and others had similar sized cars prior to 1959.

Also, they may have been the first on some of these items, but they didn't quite "stick"...anti creep and no rollback on auto trans (was there REALLY a no rollback for autos?), sliding roof wagon (didn't work for GM 40 years later either), planar suspension, hydrostatic gas gauge, ball bearing spring shackles, under seat heater, under hood accessible instrument panel, etc.

There are some truly important firsts on the list, but I'm not sure in total they would qualify Studebaker to differentiate themselves from other auto makers as being "ahead of their time".

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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jim nichols
04-13-2009, 09:25 AM
"WOW"-what a wealth of knowledge from Studebaker savvy people. Thank all of you so much that took the time to respond to my questions. I really enjoy learning all I can about this company as it was in the Michiana area where I grew up. My Dad, my Father-in-law, Brothers, numerous other relatives and friends of all ages worked there at one time or another. A couple of them did manage to retire before the bottom fell out. There is no way of telling of course, but some were still working there when my "60 Hawk" was born. I like to imagine that perhaps one or more of them might have had a hand on my car at one time. One of my Uncles for many years drove for Robert Walker truck lines in South Bend and delivered hundreds of Studebakers all over the US. Maybe it was one of yours. Again I thank all that contributed. Being retired at age 71 here in GA,I someday plan to return to the Michiana area as my final residence and if my health holds, I hope the Studebaker Museum will allow me to be a volunteer there.- JIM

Son O Lark
04-13-2009, 02:43 PM
If I remember right, mechanical power steering did work. It was just noisy.

Ron Dame
04-13-2009, 02:46 PM
but HOW did it work?


quote:Originally posted by Son O Lark

If I remember right, mechanical power steering did work. It was just noisy.


Ron Dame
'63 Champ