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studesnbldr
04-09-2009, 08:43 PM
Does anyone know of a source for either NOS or repro Studebaker factory new car window (Monroney) stickers/lables? I need a blank for the 1962 model year. My original is very rough & I'd like to recreate it. Thanks.

Christof Kheim
---studesnbldr
christof@rockymountainstudebaker.net

rockne10
04-09-2009, 08:46 PM
Have you checked with Richard Quinn? Participating on this Forum as Studebaker Wheel. rtq11@aol.com

Studebaker Wheel
04-09-2009, 09:07 PM
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/62wpsstoltzfusemailcopy.jpg?t=1239329174

Yes, I have them for $4 plus postage. Can fill out to your specs for $40 plus postage (sample above).

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

jlmccuan
04-09-2009, 10:25 PM
Richard did mine for the Avanti, using the build sheet, and it came out great. Well worth it.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x98/jlmccuan/1963%20R2/Docs/DSCF4295.jpg

Jim
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x98/jlmccuan/Avanti/AvantiSignature.jpghttp://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x98/jlmccuan/Avanti/DSCF4389.jpghttp://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x98/jlmccuan/Avanti/Logo/RabidSnailSignature.jpg
____1966 Avanti II RQA 0088_______________1963 Avanti R2 63R3152____________Rabid Snail Racing

Thomas63R2
04-09-2009, 11:28 PM
Richard, My Avanti's original window sticker doesn't look anything at all like Jim's - mine is very plain and without all the Avanti exciting Features. Was it up to the dealer which one they used, were the dealers charged extra for the fancy version and not for the plain version? Mine is 63R 3565 if there was a vin/date cutoff for a change in window stickers. the font on Jim's window sticker looks a little compressed. Interestingly mine is within $18 of Jim's - although the options are different and mine was socked $135 for distribution and delivery to Sunset Motor Imports in San Diego. While I'm at it, any idea on my original whitewall tire brand with a code 55?

Thanks, Thomas

Long time hot rodder
Packrat junk collector
'63 Avanti R2 4 speed

Studebaker Wheel
04-10-2009, 01:39 AM
Thomas;

The window price sticker I used for Jim's Avanti is one I made up myself. I generally give owners a option of using one of the two original styles (1963 or 1964) or one similar to Jims (I also have one I made up for the '64 Avanti).

Regarding the cost of shipping, Jim's Avanti went to Minnesota yours went to California. Studebaker had a set amount per mile that they charged and California is further from South Bend than Minnesota, therefore the price difference.

Below the more conventional '63 Avanti WPS. Could also post a '64 if interested.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/avantiwps63knippemailcopy.jpg?t=1239345357

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

R2Andrea
04-10-2009, 02:00 AM
Richard, at the risk of opening a can of worms, would a car have had a window sticker if it was "sold" to another division? Would this apply if there was an Appropriation Order?

R2Andy

studesnbldr
04-10-2009, 04:48 AM
Thanks Richard.
What is left of my original window sticker most closely resembles the third version you posted. It is the plainer blue, white & gray style. For purposes of duplication, shall I simply send you a copy of the original which contains all the pertinent information?

Christof Kheim
---studesnbldr
christof@rockymountainstudebaker.net

Studebaker Wheel
04-10-2009, 05:17 AM
Andy; Yes I believe so. All cars had to be sold thru a dealer for warranty work and accounting purposes so they would have had a price sticker.

Christof; Yes, that would be the easiest and best to assure accuracy.

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

Thomas63R2
04-10-2009, 01:30 PM
Richard, your version of the window sticker is what it should have been - its really good looking.

I guess the equalized shipping charges didn't come until later, makes sense that mine would have more shipping charges.

Thomas

Long time hot rodder
Packrat junk collector
'63 Avanti R2 4 speed

JBOYLE
04-10-2009, 01:44 PM
I have one of Richrad's copy for my 63 Avanti.
I love it and it's grealy appreciated at car shows by the croud.
Well worth the money!

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

R2Andrea
04-10-2009, 03:00 PM
Richard, since my Avanti was shipped to Paxton, (Shipper says "TAG A Granatelli or S.H. Egbert") do you have any idea what dealer name would have been written in?

R2Andy

And it's too bad the factorys Avanti window stickers weren't any thing special. Yours are much more befitting the special nature of the car.

jlmccuan
04-10-2009, 03:19 PM
My thinking was that since I didn't have the original, using Richard's "pretty" version would remove temptation for someone in the future trying to pass it off as original, plus it's much more attractive. I also got the dealer sales order from Richard and left the invoice number from the copy alone. That means it doesn't match the build sheet, again, same reasoning. To the normal car show folks they look great, but for folks asking questions, I'm very up front that they are reproductions used for "flavor" only, not authentication. The build sheet as provided by the museum, of course, is a different document.

Jim
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x98/jlmccuan/Avanti/AvantiSignature.jpghttp://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x98/jlmccuan/Avanti/DSCF4389.jpghttp://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x98/jlmccuan/Avanti/Logo/RabidSnailSignature.jpg
____1966 Avanti II RQA 0088_______________1963 Avanti R2 63R3152____________Rabid Snail Racing

Studebaker Wheel
04-10-2009, 05:41 PM
R2Andy; That is a tough one and I really cannot answer it with certainty. If Paxton was doing some special work in preparation for a retail sale I would guess that it would have had a WPS (albeit maybe "revised."). If it was to be actually used by Paxton (i.e. Granatelli or other personnel)) for testing or as a personal car then maybe not. What is the serial number of the car?

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

Studebaker Wheel
04-10-2009, 06:08 PM
Maybe I should have mentioned that I have hundreds of original window price stickers acquired from numerous dealers over the years. Many dealers would remove them and place them into files with the other paperwork on the sale of the car. It was a good way to retain the original information and quite often the cars would come back for a trade-in and the stickers might come in handy in a resale.

When replicating the window price stickers I use these originals to accurately determine the price of options/accessories, and to assure the same or similar font style and other details. The only thing that might not be 100% accurate would be the vehicles shipping cost and I can usually estimate that very close based on the destinations for which I have confirmation.

The 1959-66 forms I use are "as original" except for some of the Avanti and GT Hawk special order forms mentioned in the previous posts above. However, I also have window price sticker forms that I have created going back to 1931. Each one is different but has "period style" graphics. Below are a few more samples. If anyone would like to see other years just let me know.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/wps59-64truckfilledoutemail2.jpg?t=1239404203

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/55speedsterwpsmillercopy.jpg?t=1239404439

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

rockne10
04-10-2009, 08:19 PM
Monroney never contemplated stickers for a 1933 Rockne. I think he was still in knickers.[:o)]

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/Rockne/th_Rocknegauges.jpg'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight

R2Andrea
04-10-2009, 11:36 PM
Richard, its 63R1016. There is an Appropriation Order stating that it was for Mr. Egberts use in CA. And the shipper had the previously mentioned TAG notation. It's my understanding that the previous owner bought it from Paxton in '64 and is supposed to be the prototype for the R3/Powershift combination. I asked Andy Granatelli about the car when he was inducted into the Hall of Champions. He claimed to remember the car and gave me a very good description of it. The info I gave him was very limited. He either honestly remembered the car or is REALLY good at making things up.
The truck sticker is sharp. Another one of your designs or factory?
R2Andy

Studebaker Wheel
04-11-2009, 01:21 AM
R2Andy;

An interesting history to your car. Given what you have uncovered on its history I'm really not sure whether there would have ever been a sticker for it. Of course that is not to say you couldn't make one.

Stickers were not required on trucks so there never was an original truck window price sticker. I have made them up for all of the M, R and E series plus the Champs. As mentioned previously they are all created with period graphics.

Richard Quinn
editor: Antique Studebaker Review

studegary
04-11-2009, 01:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by Studebaker Wheel

Maybe I should have mentioned that I have hundreds of original window price stickers acquired from numerous dealers over the years. Many dealers would remove them and place them into files with the other paperwork on the sale of the car. It was a good way to retain the original information and quite often the cars would come back for a trade-in and the stickers might come in handy in a resale.




Richard Quinn




The window price stickers are supposed to (required by law) go with the car to the original purchaser. I can think of another reason for price stickers to be in car folders at a dealership. Many times, revised price stickers were issued for cars in stock. Sometimes this was for a particlar model or vehicle and sometimes it was for all cars in stock. The dealer was supposed to change the stickers on the cars. Some dealerships only changed them if a price increase was shown. I changed them all, either for an increase or a decrease. I can recall spending a lot of time changing all of the price stickers on the cars in stock. We would put the removed sticker in the car's dealer folder. If a dealer did not change the stickers, he may have just put the revised stickers in the car's dealer folder. In either case, I can see where this would lead to stickers being found in dealership folders.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer