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jclary
04-07-2009, 10:21 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rat-Rod-Old-School-street-rod-Stude_W0QQitemZ200329241564QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item2003292415 64&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

I hope this one is not from a forum member. There has been a lot of hard work done here but... if the first ever hot rod looked like this one, I don't think there would have ever been another one. I know with the arms length nature of these forums and Internet, we are often emboldened to make harsh comments but this has got to be one of the worst attempts at artistic expression ever attempted. Most hot rods, even the worst of "Rat Rods" have a theme, artistic flow, and a visual quality that entertains your senses. But this thing insults Studebaker, hot rods, and the producers of any of the components used to cobble it together.

John Clary
Greer, SC
http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u346/jconln/HPIM0372-2.jpg
I have only two limitations ...BRAINS & ENERGY
SDC member since 1975

289stude
04-07-2009, 10:29 PM
I think I agree. I normally DIG the rat rods if not only for a different take, but it gives some young (or old) dude (or dudette) a chance to experiment with something with no rules to follow. But I just don't know about this one, they definatly didn't follow any rules, but no artistic arrengement either.




John

53' 2R5 R1 Powershift TT Under Construction

57' Transtar 304 NP540 4:09 TT Under Construction (in Picture)

58' 3E6D Stock Sale Pending

61' 6E7 122 Factory Auto

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p99/289stude/transtar3-1-2.jpg

StudeRich
04-07-2009, 10:42 PM
Pretty sad, and and not street legal in ANY of the 50 States, maybe you could drive it in the Saudi Desert! [:0]

Thomas63R2
04-08-2009, 01:43 AM
He might as well start parting it out - because there isn't a second person on this planet looking for that ... thing(?). I struggle for words to describe what has been created; unique, in an infamous way.

Thomas

Long time hot rodder
Packrat junk collector
'63 Avanti R2 4 speed

Andy R.
04-08-2009, 01:51 AM
I've seen worse, but the 1992 chassis disqualifies even the most derogatory interpretation of "rat rod." At the risk of sounding vulgar, I'm thinking of another term that rhymes with "rat rod" and uses the past tense of a bodily function.[:0][}:)]

Still, it could probably dust my Hawk.[B)]

Andy
62 GT

http://a6.vox.com/6a00cdf7ec2443094f0109d0f5b14e000f-500pi

bams50
04-08-2009, 04:47 AM
I don't get how this is that much different than any other rat rod out there? I've gotten to like the "rat rod" concept and have toyed with the idea of building one; and this doesn't look far off from any other one I've seen. I'd take it if the price was right!

Only thing I can see that I wish it had was a more unusual engine, like a Hemi (or an r2;)).

I guess maybe we were just overdue to beat up somebody's carhttp://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/fighting/fighting0036.gif[:I]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Transtar56
04-08-2009, 07:58 AM
It took some serious talent to make it that ugly.

Pat Dilling
04-08-2009, 08:03 AM
Ebay is one way to determine the world's opinion of it.

Pat

Pat Dilling
Olivehurst, CA
Custom '53 Starlight aka Stu Cool
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/stucool53/StuCoolsmallerSigpic.jpg
LS1 Engine Swap Journal: http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/journal.php?action=view&journalid=33611

jclary
04-08-2009, 08:12 AM
quote:bams50
Commander Member
I'd take it if the price was right!

Only thing I can see that I wish it had was a more unusual engine, like a Hemi (or an r2).

I guess maybe we were just overdue to beat up somebody's car

Bams... look at the picture of where the frame has been sectioned at the rear spring hangars. What about that would give you confidence to drive it down the interstate at over 70MPH? Even if the old phrase..."A face only a mother can love" is used...Then it looks like "Mother" (the builder) is selling her baby! I have a junk pile that includes a couple of old golf carts, roofing tin, cast iron fire grate, rusty horse trailer frame, lawn mower deck, etc. I think that I could take an old chassis with nice wide white wall tires and dump my junk on top and have something similar to this.:):D[8D]
It may also be that I am so bothered because I can think of much better uses for a C cab.

John Clary
Greer, SC
http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u346/jconln/HPIM0372-2.jpg
I have only two limitations ...BRAINS & ENERGY
SDC member since 1975

JBOYLE
04-08-2009, 08:49 AM
He put a lot of work (and I'm guessing money) into it.
I don't think it's that bad....(aside from the grille)
But I agree with a 92 chassis and Chevy crate motor & 400, I don't think it's a rat rod. A faux rat rod perhaps, but not a real one (which IIRC, means made out of old stuff you have laying around).

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

tutone63
04-08-2009, 10:10 AM
As a good friend of mine used to say "I don' unnestan'!"

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh54/tutone63/63larkside-1.jpghttp://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh54/tutone63/n1005314212_30160111_518999.jpg
1963 Lark, 259 V8, two-tone paint, Twin Traction. Now that the salt is off the roads, she is getting back into regular rotation!

buddymander
04-08-2009, 10:29 AM
It says "sectioned" but I think it was channeled. Looks like the builder was afraid to do any frame changes. He didn't need to channel it with all that work to clear that frame, just "Z" the frame. I think maybe the builder needs to open a welding shop specializing in sheet metal. He's good and he seems to be obsessed with welding sheet metal. Really, I think maybe the builder was going through a very emotional recovery from something traumatic and used this project to help distract himself from the pain while he recovered. I hope he's okay.

52-fan
04-08-2009, 10:36 AM
I saw this truck on eBay and dismissed it, but since you brought it up...I immediately thought of the 56 sitting by our driveway and how I would hate to see that happen to it. I like a well built rod, rat or otherwise, but some guys don't realize the visual component. To get the look we all are familiar with the radiator should be even with, or behind, the axle center line. A modern chassis places the engine over the axle and destroys the balance we are looking for. Years ago you would see a early Ford body mounted on a post-war Ford chassis with the same imbalance. Lots of work and money for something that just doesn't look right.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s186/52-fan/StudebakersofArkansas2-1.jpg
1952 Champion Starlight, 1962 Daytona, both w/overdrive.Searcy,Arkansas
"I may be lazy, but I'm not shiftless."

jclary
04-08-2009, 11:15 AM
When I brought my '48 coupe home, I literally sneaked it home and parked it in the back yard after my wife had gone to bed. The next morning while sitting at the breakfast table, I reached over, opened the curtains, and said to my wife..."Oh look Sweetheart, the Studebaker Fairy came again last night!" after a short pause and a look that only she can deliver, her reply was ... "Well...its so ugly...its kinda cute!" (whew! I knew immediately the possibility of it staying was good). If I had brought this particular thing home, the comment might have been, "Its so ugly...its very ugly!" Sometimes you hear someone describe a paint job as being a "10 yard-er" or something to that effect, meaning that it looked better from a distance. Perhaps while working on this one, it looked better while working up close. Then when he rolled it out of the shop and stepped back for a longer look..."Man! I gotta get rid of this thing!"

I'm feeling a little guilty for being so critical. So for a little encouragement, I'd like to suggest a way to improve it...Install a front end loader, and a backhoe! Could give it function, purpose, and better balance!

John Clary
Greer, SC
http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u346/jconln/HPIM0372-2.jpg
I have only two limitations ...BRAINS & ENERGY
SDC member since 1975

289cruiser
04-08-2009, 01:17 PM
Beauty is ALWAYS in the eye of the beholder,
In this case the builder,
However he must have some serious money problems or second thoughts about his result of labor & $$$ .

Someone DID do some serious fabrication of that "unusual" grill (?) radiator (?)

stude freak
04-08-2009, 01:52 PM
Remove that butt ugly 'grille', replace the 56 front fenders n hood,add the rear fenders and be a good looking truck.

David Baggett '53 coupe

bams50
04-08-2009, 01:57 PM
quote:Originally posted by jclary



Bams... look at the picture of where the frame has been sectioned at the rear spring hangars. What about that would give you confidence to drive it down the interstate at over 70MPH?

I'm not defending the build quality of a vehicle I have never seen. With any homemade vehicle, it's absolutely critical to carefully examine the work done in person with an eye to safety before it's driven at all; and certainly before it's bought. As for design- this is the tough thing about a custom: nothing wrong with building a custom- including a radical one; but you have to realize that the odds of finding others with money to buy if you decide to sell that also appreciate your style may be seriously limited. I have grown to like the "rat rod" style- the unfinished primer/original surface rusted finish, the minimalist interiors, the ridiculously radical style/drivetrain/stance. Build quality aside, I don't see much difference in this one; but one does need to like the "rat rod" style.

I do hate to see somebody's hard work ridiculed- whether it's quality, or not so much. This has been hashed out many times here in the past. There are a very few that think it's fine to publicly make fun of others' handiwork, skills, or taste. I have always disagreed, and it was proven out here a few times by folks who owned said vehicles and were lurkers- and came forward and embarrassed nitpickers who had no idea the owners were watching... same as could be the case now.

The easy test is as follows: Suppose you were at a show, and a custom (like this one) was there with a proud owner standing there, grinning and proudly showing off his baby. Would you say to his face what you wrote here about his vehicle here? I'm betting not- nobody would be that crass.

As Bob Shaw said, it's simple manners.

No offense intended, John; sometimes folks just didn't think of it that way.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Steve T
04-08-2009, 02:16 PM
Wouldn't be my choice...but this hauler is definitely differently "different by design"! (And if the original C-cab was crusher-bound...well, this rad rod is one that cheated fate, which would be a good thing, no?)

S.

gordr
04-08-2009, 04:55 PM
I agree with Stude Freak, lose the wholly inappropriate grille, and fit it with a '56 (or earlier) grille, and you have the beginning of a decent rod. I'd also want to seriously fix that weak spot in the frame above the rear spring hangers (what WAS he thinking?), and lose the Lexan windshield.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

Jeff_H
04-08-2009, 05:27 PM
I don't think it looks all that much worse (and in some ways better) than some other similar rat rods I have seen. I think the weak part is the grill is too far forward relative to the front axle. It just sticks out there. They kept the engine in the stock location for that frame but that sort of grill needs to set back farther which would mean the engine moving back. The WW tires or those hubcaps somehow bother me too, but I am not sure what else would work better.



Jeff in ND
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/Snowscenetiny.jpg
'53 Champion Hardtop

jclary
04-08-2009, 05:53 PM
quote:I do hate to see some body's hard work ridiculed- whether it's quality, or not so much. This has been hashed out many times here in the past. There are a very few that think it's fine to publicly make fun of others' handiwork, skills, or taste. I have always disagreed, and it was proven out here a few times by folks who owned said vehicles and were lurkers- and came forward and embarrassed nitpickers who had no idea the owners were watching... same as could be the case now.

The easy test is as follows: Suppose you were at a show, and a custom (like this one) was there with a proud owner standing there, grinning and proudly showing off his baby. Would you say to his face what you wrote here about his vehicle here? I'm betting not- nobody would be that crass.

As Bob Shaw said, it's simple manners.

No offense intended, John; sometimes folks just didn't think of it that way.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131


Bams, I am not offended by your comments regarding my indelicate assessment of this vehicle. As a retired industrial salesman, I have had to develop a pretty tough skin. And you are right, if I were to encounter the owner, I know I wouldn't say it to his face. In fact, I think I would avoid him altogether. I have done some pretty ugly work myself. You should see my first barn! I was proud of it until I had some folks that knew what they were doing to build me another one. That was when I discovered the proper use for a level, square,and tape measure. I still appreciate and use the first barn, but now call it the "Man Cave" and no longer brag about "building it myself!" I wonder what kind of comments this post would have elicited if I had simply asked..."What do you like about this?" and let it go at that? Think I'll try that next time.

John Clary
Greer, SC
http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u346/jconln/HPIM0372-2.jpg
I have only two limitations ...BRAINS & ENERGY
SDC member since 1975

Dan Timberlake
04-08-2009, 09:28 PM
I think the u-joints are out of phase.

http://i19.ebayimg.com/03/i/001/40/71/f96e_1.JPG

I saw the thread that some Studebakers were among the few that work best slightly out of phase OEM, but most cars and trucks have the yoke in line

bams50
04-09-2009, 05:52 AM
Good reply, John. Thanks!

FWIW, somebody besides me likes it... 6 bids, up to $2K.

Hope they had somebody look over that frame...

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

jclary
04-09-2009, 06:49 PM
Hey Bams, are you high bidder?

bams50
04-09-2009, 07:20 PM
No. As I said just above, someone besides me. Also, I said someone should do an in-person exam before they bid. And, I cannot buy any more cars right now.

Were it not for the above, I probably would, though.



Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

jclary
04-09-2009, 07:48 PM
I was just kidding anyway. I must have been outside when you made your last post. However, while I was getting ready to put the '55 back in the "Man Cave", I think I finally figured where that grille on the rod came from. I think he cut up either a 54-56 grille, and re-welded the center bars to cobble that one together. What do you think? Maybe even two grilles to make this one.

John Clary
Greer, SC
http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u346/jconln/HPIM0372-2.jpg
I have only two limitations ...BRAINS & ENERGY
SDC member since 1975

bams50
04-09-2009, 08:26 PM
In the listing there's a picture of the grille welded up but not painted (see below). Somebody with more knowledge of these may be able to figure it out. Anybody??

http://i.ebayimg.com/22/!BQHH8jQCGk~$(KGrHgoH-EYEjlLly8E)BJ3IfBw8eQ~~_1.JPG

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

jclary
04-09-2009, 08:52 PM
http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u346/jconln/MeMiniMe.jpg
This is the best I could do from my photobucket pics without taking the time to upload more pictures. But if you take the grille and chop it in the middle of each side, invert the two outside pieces and weld them under the top piece, you get this "Whatchamacallit."

bondobilly
04-09-2009, 09:02 PM
Does it look as though the left front tire is slightly behind the right front tire, and a bit tilted

clonelark
04-10-2009, 01:24 AM
All i can say is it kept him off the streets for a couple of years.

http://i40.tinypic.com/o759c1.jpg