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DEEPNHOCK
04-07-2009, 07:43 PM
What will this do 'for/to' our beloved Studebaker engines?

(Never trust a product where the disclaimer is as long as the press release[}:)])...
(Oh, and I can get a half million miles of 'testing' done in a few weeks with about any 'big' fleet in a couple of weeks...woohoo...big deal[xx(]...)
Jeff[8D]

http://www.shell.us/home/content/usa/aboutshell/media_center/news_and_press_releases/2009/nitrogen_030209.html

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Shell Launches New Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines
02/03/2009Introducing a new molecule designed to seek and destroy engine gunk in both conventional and modern engines.

Houston – Today at Shell stations across the U.S., consumers will fill-up with a new product at the pumps. Shell is introducing the all-new Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines, containing a unique, patented cleaning system designed to seek and destroy engine “gunk” (carbon deposits) in all three grades of gasoline. The new Nitrogen Enriched cleaning system protects and cleans up gunky build-up on intake valves and fuel injectors left by lower quality gasolines.

Nitrogen is a key element of the active cleaning molecule in the new fuel, making it significantly more stable at higher temperatures common in modern engines, such as direct fuel-injection gasoline engines. The increased stability ensures that the molecule can work under much tougher engine conditions by resisting thermal breakdown better than conventional cleaning additives.

“At Shell, our ‘Passionate Experts’ are dedicated to helping motorists get the most out of every drop of gasoline,” said Jens Mueller-Belau, Fuels Portfolio and Category Manager North America, Shell Retail.. “With Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines, our scientists have increased the effectiveness of our cleaning additive, offering consumers our most advanced technology ever.”

In addition to developing the new fuel with the consumer in mind, Shell worked very closely with automotive manufacturers to gain insight into current and future engine technologies. These insights along with fuels technology leadership and a strong research and development program help Shell continually improve its products.

Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines were tested in laboratories, independent testing facilities, and on the road, accumulating more than a half-million miles in various vehicles and engines—including conventional, turbo-charged, and direct fuel-injection gasoline engines, hybrids, newer vehicles with low mileage, and older vehicles with high mileage.

Shell scientists also used innovative testing technologies such as dual fuel engines to conduct head-to-head comparisons with other lower quality gasolines. In these tests, split engines simultaneously run on different types of gasoline in order to collect data under the exact same conditions. The results of these head-to-head comparisons proved that the Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines are more effective than lower quality gasolines in protecting against the build-up of harmful engine gunk.

“In today’s tough economy, American drivers are concerned about protecting their vehicle since it’s one of their largest investments,” said Mueller-Belau. “We want to help protect that investment. That’s why we want them to educate consumers that there is a difference in the gasoline they choose. Using lower quality gasolines can result in gunky build-up on critical engine parts, negatively impacting engine performance. Shell gasolines help drivers say ‘No’ to gunk.”

The Nitrogen Enriched formula is proven to prevent build-up of gunk more effectively than gasolines containing only the minimum amount of cleaning agents as required by the EPA.

The new cleaning system is certified to meet the TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline Standard – voluntary standards designated by some of the world’s top automakers (Audi, BMW, GM, Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen) to try to raise the bar on fuel quality beyond minimum government criteria. Industry research has proven that a clean engine results in better fuel efficie

Chris Pile
04-07-2009, 07:46 PM
I won't worry about it seeing as there is only one Shell station in town, and I don't have their card.

Chris Pile
Midway Chapter SDC
The Studebaker Special

Clem64
04-07-2009, 09:24 PM
Since a Shell station is the most convenient for us, we pretty much run their stuff. We will see what happens with this nitro-enriched rocket fuel in our rides;).

Dean Croft
Roseburg,OR

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Lothar
04-07-2009, 10:03 PM
I didn't do very well in college chemistry, but as I recall, nitrogen is an inert gas. It is also the most common element in the atmosphere. They might as well say that their gas is "Air enriched". I wonder if it will develop a foamy head in a gas tank?;)

1950 Champion 4 Dr.
Holdrege NE

Sonny
04-07-2009, 10:27 PM
Keeping an engine cleaner should be an automatic thumbs from the car community with a less than efficient oil filtration system, (those of us running older Stude motors). That as well as this, "significantly more stable at higher temperatures", thus mebbe our vapor locking maladies will be less prevalent? This delights a fella who's watched the crap-ola that passes for "gasoline" these days, evaporate right before his eyes in the filter of his '49 Champion, that had just "flubbered" to a stop, in front of the fire trucks, near the front of the 4th of July parade!

I'd say, "Good show, "Passionate Experts"!"

Thanks Jeffster!

Sonny
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PlainBrownR2
04-07-2009, 10:48 PM
Nitrogen as an inert gas is also great for sealing food, preventing oxidation of electronics, filling tires, and capping high explosives due to lack of oxidative qualities. Since its stable as an inert gas, it's strong chemical bonds as Nitrogen gas can also make for a large kaboom, as the decay back to nitrogen gas can release quite a bit of energy. It makes a great element for nitrous oxide, nitroglycerin, ammonia, and trinitrotoluene(TNT). It is indeed found literally everywhere, including ourselves and the atmosphere. If anything it might keep certain items that are thermal cycled from flash rusting.

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studeclunker
04-07-2009, 10:50 PM
I never buy Shell gas if I can avoid it anyway. All I hope is that this stuff isn't forced on all of us. The whole thing sounds like a gimmick anyway.

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Ron Smith
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Andy R.
04-08-2009, 01:54 AM
I'd rather have nitrogen where it belongs...in my GUINNESS![:p]

Andy
62 GT

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lstude
04-08-2009, 04:49 AM
Gosh, I have had a Shell credit card since Studebaker stopped making cars! [:0]:D

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KOOL R2
04-08-2009, 12:54 PM
Where I live ( Canada) there is only one gasoline storage area. All the local gas stations get their fuel from it. I see Shell trucks and Sunoco trucks picking up fuel there. Mostly I see local carriers picking up fuel to truck it to outlying retailers. Seems to me that all gasolines are the same, unless somebody at the local Shell station adds a bottle of nitrogen after the delivery truck stops by.

Peter Sant

silverhawk
04-08-2009, 02:26 PM
I am glad that was posted, I have been wondering if it was going to be alright, as I don't know much about it.

Dylan Wills

'61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon

gordr
04-08-2009, 04:37 PM
One way to get nitrogen in gasoline would be to add a little nitromethane.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

Lenny R2
04-08-2009, 08:10 PM
I always get Shell 93 octane in my R2 Avanti,I am not sure i will
buy it now.Do you have to have a degree in chemistry to buy gasoline
now.

Lenny
Atlanta Ga.

studegary
04-10-2009, 01:31 PM
I used to use Shell gasoline a lot and had a Shell credit card. I have given up the credit card because all of the Shell stations in this area either closed or were converted to some other brand. I can only purchase Shell gasoline if I am on a trip to somewhere.

This reminds me of when I had an Atlantic station in 1961. Atlantic had a 1961 Chevrolet with two carb's. Each carb. was fed from a different fuel tank. They would bring the car around to the gas stations to show people hw much cleaner the Atlantic gas was in the clear carb. than competitor's gas in the other carb. That is how I remember it. Somewhere I have a postcard from them showing a 1961 Chevrolet wagon (IIRC) and with a description of the test.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

Mike Van Veghten
04-10-2009, 02:40 PM
Nitro and gas don't mix well.
You'd have to inject them from different locations!

Mike

JBOYLE
04-10-2009, 02:59 PM
Seriously, can it be any worse than the alcohol mix they force on us in the winter?

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

depchaggard
04-10-2009, 04:09 PM
quote:Originally posted by KOOL R2

Where I live ( Canada) there is only one gasoline storage area. All the local gas stations get their fuel from it. I see Shell trucks and Sunoco trucks picking up fuel there. Mostly I see local carriers picking up fuel to truck it to outlying retailers. Seems to me that all gasolines are the same, unless somebody at the local Shell station adds a bottle of nitrogen after the delivery truck stops by.

Peter Sant

Just because it comes from the same storage area does not make it the same. Multiple tanks in storage areas hold different mixes of fuels. Some tanks are privately leased to different companies, and the gas in each one is different. Some companies (like Texaco) have their own trucks, and additives are often mixed right in the truck as it is loaded.

I lived in a truck farming community years back. There was a tomato processing factory in the town. We would watch trucks from Heinz, Hunts, Del Monte, Our Family, Best Choice, etc. leaving that same factory. Does that mean all ketchups and tomato sauces are the same? No. All made in the same place, but each one from a different recipe to different quality standards.

Same with gasoline.

depchaggard
04-10-2009, 04:22 PM
quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

What will this do 'for/to' our beloved Studebaker engines?
Probably will help them. If the new "nitrogen" cleaning additive does as they say, and is more stable at high temps so it can clean better, that can only be good.

If your Studebaker engine is original, with original style valves and seats, then the greatest damage you can expect is from the fuel being unleaded. You need to be running some sort of lead substitute additive in your gas to prevent burned/worn valves.

The greatest danger now to our older engines isn't the gas. It's the oil. The new oils available now are mandated by the government to have low levels of heavy metals. Translate that as "almost no zinc." Zinc is vital to keeping a solid oil film between camshaft lobes and lifter bases. That's not an issue for new cars with roller lifters. The new oils are responsible for many classic cars' camshaft lobes going flat from wear. The fix is to use an oil additive that is high in zinc. One that I know of for sure is "blue bottle" original STP. There are others, too.

See http://www.compcams.com/Base/pdf/FlatTappetCamTechBulletin.pdf

Bud
04-11-2009, 09:27 AM
I don't think that adding nitrogen to gasoline can be as destructive to older engines and their fuel systems than the ethanol that the California bureaucrats force the refiners to put in the gas that we use out here. I've had problems with vapor lock to neoprene hose failures to corrosion in fuel tanks, carburetors and fuel pumps. And add to that, the gas mileage drops a couple of mpg due to less heat produced from the addition of alcohol to the gas. I add a few ounces of Marvel Mystery Oil or Lucas Fuel Additive to the gas in my cars everytime I buy gas to counteract the effects of the ethanol. Harry