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Roscomacaw
04-06-2009, 02:58 PM
Here's the engine I removed and brought home this morning. Later today I'll try starting it.

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

2R5
04-06-2009, 03:06 PM
Oh a 2R5 with OD ....nice .:D

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ddub
04-06-2009, 03:10 PM
2R? I thought you were getting an R2!!!:D

Don Wilson
53 Commander Hardtop
64 Champ 1/2 ton
Centralia, WA

r1lark
04-06-2009, 03:55 PM
Sure is colorful!!<G>

Seriously, I hope it's a good runner.

Paul
Winston-Salem, NC
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Roscomacaw
04-06-2009, 04:01 PM
Not an R2, but worth saving, for sure. I may already know of a home for it. It turned SO easy when I put a socket to the crank bolt!

I also got the instrument cluster, the 6V wiper motor, the radiator and some other odd bits and pieces. I'll be getting the steering column/sector - front axle and rear as well - maybe the whole frame.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Mark57
04-06-2009, 04:06 PM
Too bad those 2R trucks did not have door visors, or I'd ask you to grab the passenger side one! ;)

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island

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Roscomacaw
04-06-2009, 04:30 PM
Mark, I might have one of those.:D

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Mark57
04-06-2009, 05:03 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Mark, I might have one of those.:D




If you do, I'd sure appreciate you dropping me an e-mail. It's a sad tale how the one on the truck got broke... [V][xx(]

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Vancouver Island

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studeclunker
04-06-2009, 09:48 PM
Looking at your transmission, Bob, brought to mind my situation with Bess. Would it be possible to swap parts between the '56 trannys and the '52? They're all the same model of OD tranny.

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Roscomacaw
04-06-2009, 11:53 PM
Clunk,

I'm not sure about the input shaft interchange, but it is a T-86.

I got the engine set on my truck frame engine dolly this evening and blew all the dust and cobwebs off of it. I set about removing all the plugs so I could run some oil in each cylinder, but the plugs were finger-tight and it was obvious that someone had oiled the cylinders in past years.
Although the truck's owner told me it had been the 60s since it was run, a check of the glovebox revealed that it was registered in the late 70s. Either way, it turns over SO smoothly. I'm betting it's gonna roar when I try to start it tomorrow.;)

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

2R5
04-07-2009, 05:53 AM
That tranny won't be the same as a cars . Bob is correct that the input shaft is different .

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Roscomacaw
04-08-2009, 10:08 AM
Well, several things collaborated in keeping me from hearing this engine run yesterday. :(
Primary among them was a problem with the starter itself. I thought it looked kinda funny (the starter, that is) the way the brush cover appeared to be slid back a bit, but I didn't really look CLOSE until I was hooking a cable to it's main electrical terminal - the threads of which were half-stripped. With persistence, I got the cable on and snugged up and set about connecting the rest of the cables associated with the start circuit.
In a moment of anxious exuberence, I tapped the other end of the starter's cable on the negative post of the battery. Instead of being rewarded with the starter's jumping to life, there was HEAVY snapping and sparking at the battery terminal. Not that I didn't expect some sparks - but not like this!
Several more tries and it was obvious that something was amiss. I took a screwdriver and loosened the brush cover enough to slide it off the end of the starter and at least PART of the problem was readily evident. All four of the starter's brushes were out of their guides and consequently providing dead shorts for the starter's electrical innards!
I removed the starter and took it apart. The thing looks new inside. Obviously new bendix on the business end and the commutator looks like it's never had brushes run on it. What was odd was the handful of clean, white sand that was inside the case. Only thing I can figure it someone had been doing some sandblasting and some sand found it's way into the starter.
I would have had the whole thing back together and on the engine but for a phone call that had me scrambling to remove a pair of seats from a '61 Cruiser so they could take a trip to Texas. By the time I got them out, loaded them into my Stude truck and carried them ten miles to meet up with their "transport", my knee was hurting too much for me to get back on the engine run adventure. Besides that, it was starting to rain and so I retired for the day.
Besides that, the wife had just juiced a big basket of fresh oranges and my bottle of Vodka was whimpering for a chance to play with some of the citrus fluids! Certainly couldn't ignore that sorta thing!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Anne F. Goodman
04-08-2009, 10:20 AM
Was this by chance about 5 pm in a Green Truck?

Mabel 1949 Champion
1957 Silverhawk
1955 Champion 4Dr.Regal
Gus 1958 Transtar
1955 President State
1957 Golden Hawk
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studeclunker
04-08-2009, 10:26 AM
quote:Originally posted by 2R5

That tranny won't be the same as a cars . Bob is correct that the input shaft is different .

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Um, no... you fellas seem to mis-understand me. I'll start another thread in the Technical forum as I don't want to hyjack this one.

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Roscomacaw
04-08-2009, 10:38 AM
Yes Anne, it was! It had all the appearance of a Gypsy Junk-Man, travelling to some secret Mecca of Mechanical contrivances!;)

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Roscomacaw
04-08-2009, 10:39 AM
Oh - and here's the 2R engine awaiting it's revival.

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Roscomacaw
04-08-2009, 10:20 PM
Heh - things just do not go as they ought to.[}:)]

Today I addressed the starter and THOUGHT I had it fixed. The weak link was that the copper terminal stud that the cable attaches to was pretty well stripped of it's threads.:( I then thought about the really rusty-lookin' one of these starters that I'd seen layin' in my "junque" pile a couple of weeks ago. I thought maybe it would have a good stud and I could scavenge it to fix this starter.
Boy, it was a sight to sore eyes! Wish I'd taken a pic of how ugly a ball of rust it was. But I was in for a real surprize when I started to take the "donor" starter apart! It was absolutely NEW inside. New bushings, new armature, new brushes - hey - a new starter! So I decided I'd take the non-rusty bendix assy off my "old" starter and put it on my rusty, old NEW starter. Such a deal.

I get the bendix swap made and bolt the starter up to the engine.[xx(] STILL, noting but intense sparking when I try to spin the engine with a 12volt battery and cables:(

I take the new old starter off and take it apart to see what the heck was wrong here. Once I took both ends loose from the case, I had to use a hammer to convince the armature to leave the case.[8] Not a good sign........[B)] As I said earlier, all the innards of this thing LOOKED new. But the armature was really dragging on the solid copper connections of the field poles and that's why it only sparked instead of spinning.
Ultimately - using a mix of the best parts of the two starters (that fit without interferrance), I got a starter that would spin the engine.[:0]:D To prove it's worth, I spun the engine thru maybe two revs. Figured I'd better change the oil before I forced the old stuff thru the engine's arteries.

There was something that was a dead ringer for black strap molasses on the dip stick, so I was eager to change it. I set a pan under the oil plug and extracted said same............ nuthin'! After pokin' a screwdriver into the drain hole, three glops of something the consistency of hot fudge plopped out. Hoo boy! I went to get a gas can that has a couple gallons of diesel fuel in it. When I got back, there was a steady, thick stream of black goo running into the drain pan. I assisted it a bit with a couple quarts of diesel and then replaced the drain plug and poured in the remaining diesel fuel. It'll soak until tomorrow and then I'll drain it and put in some cheap oil. I'm gonna prime the oil pump and then see if it builds pressure.;)

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Steve T
04-09-2009, 11:48 AM
Mr Biggs--

I'm surprised, given your vodka-and-OJ ref further up the thread, that no one has yet raised the idea of starting an engine with a screwdriver in the ignition...:D

S.

Roscomacaw
04-09-2009, 07:51 PM
Steve, whenever I get to the point where I'd try something like that, I probably couldn't find the engine to try it on![xx(] Good call tho. By the time I was done with that starter yesterday, it took TWO screwdrivers to adjust my mood.[}:)]

Suffice it to say, I haven't even tinkered with the motor today. Maybe I should go out and drain the diesel oil out of it and see if I can prime the oil pump.:)

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

Roscomacaw
04-10-2009, 02:55 PM
BTW, if I thought this was gonna be a quick deal - where I'd wire it up and listen to the music.....[B)]

Yesterday, late, I finally got around to draining out the diesel fuel I'd let soak in the pan overnight. When I took the drain plug out, predictably, the thin fuel gushed out. It was a deep, rich brown color - coulda passed for soy sauce without the smell.
I fumbled the drain plug - dropped it onto the dirt and cussed myself for being clumsy. As I swished the plug in the panful of brown fluid to clean it, the back of my hand was visited with a blackish glop of goo - the consistency of firm mustard! I looked at the drain hole and another glop was oozing out. I watched as this went on for a few minutes and didn't show any signs of stopping. I decided I'd just let it drain overnight. I'm now considering whether or not to pull the pan.:(

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

buddymander
04-10-2009, 04:10 PM
I'm involved in the same type of project. A 185. It turned over by hand but belt a little stiff at one point. I used a socket on the crank bolt and removed all plugs so I could turn it over and feel each plug hole for compression with my thumb. Three were zero, so I removed the head. Stuck valves and a small amount of surface rust near the top of one cylinder. 400 off the rust and now doing a valve job. It's .030 over without much ridge, so I'll probably remove the rod caps and make sure the journals are nice; replace the bearings. I like to know I'm not going to be spinning bearings.