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289stude
04-02-2009, 04:19 PM
Hey guys sorry about all the Wagonaire post, but I am a truck guy and these cars are new for me. Anyhow, Delihla has the third row seat, so are you to assume that if you wanted that option you have to go without a spare tire? I didn't see a spare under the car and there is nowhere for it inside. I checked the owners manual but it did not mention anything about spare tire location with the 3rd roe option.

Watch out for nails i suppose[:0]




John

53' 2R5 R1 Powershift TT Under Construction

57' Transtar 304 NP540 4:09 TT Under Construction (in Picture)

58' 3E6D Stock Sale Pending

61' 6E7 122 Factory Auto

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StudeRich
04-02-2009, 04:22 PM
No John Studebaker did not make you go without a spare. It came with Goodyear "Captive Air" Tires! [^] They had an inner "spare" inside that filled thorough a basketball needle in the sidewall. Pretty cool huh? [:0]

You can always take your gas tank out and mount a spare under the floor, yeah that'l work! [B)] [}:)] [:o)]

Edit: Cool Keoni, you can even see the blue circle fill port in the pic!

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showbizkid
04-02-2009, 04:24 PM
That's right, John - Wags with the 3rd-row seat were shipped with "Captive Air" tires that had a redundant inner core - kind of the predecessor to "run-flat" tires. They were supposed to negate the need for a spare, since you could run on them far enough to get to a service station and get the flat fixed.


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JGK 940
04-02-2009, 04:25 PM
Third seat option included Captive Air tires on all four corners for a total cost of a shade under $125, IIRC. Here's an ad for Captive Airs on e-bay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1962-Goodyear-Captive-air-Double-Eagle-Tire-Print---Ad_W0QQitemZ110363932307QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090315?IMSfp=TL090315121001r19021



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starliner62
04-02-2009, 04:53 PM
I just learned something . Who said you can't teach an old fart new tricks?

Jamie McLeod
Hope Mills, NC

289stude
04-02-2009, 05:06 PM
So i guess i have to put run flat tires on her. Or does someone still make captive air repos?




John

53' 2R5 R1 Powershift TT Under Construction

57' Transtar 304 NP540 4:09 TT Under Construction (in Picture)

58' 3E6D Stock Sale Pending

61' 6E7 122 Factory Auto

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bams50
04-02-2009, 05:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by 289stude

Hey guys sorry about all the Wagonaire post, but I am a truck guy and these cars are new for me.

JB, no need to apologize, that's why we- and this Forum- are here! Some know the answers to your questions, and those that don't know learn! So ask away- I'm learning and living vicariously through your saga[^] Oh yeah- you had the spelling right the very first time- it's "Delilah";)

BTW- Hate to ask, but what's the status of poor ol' Bud? Relegated to unloved stepchild status?:(

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

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bams50
04-02-2009, 05:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by 289stude

Hey guys sorry about all the Wagonaire posts, but I am a truck guy and these cars are new for me.

JB, no need to apologize, that's why we- and this Forum- are here! Some know the answers to your questions, and those that don't know learn! So ask away- I'm learning and living vicariously through your saga[^] Oh yeah- you had the spelling right the very first time- it's "Delilah";)

BTW- Hate to ask, but what's the status of poor ol' Bud? Relegated to unloved stepchild status?:(

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

StudeDave57
04-02-2009, 05:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by 289stude

So i guess i have to put run flat tires on her. Or does someone still make captive air repos? John
It might not be the best option, but on longer trips anyway~
what about putting the tire on the roof, in a roof rack [?] [?] [?]

Just thinking (poorly) out loud... [:0] [B)] ;) :( [:o)]


StudeDave '57 [8D]

jclary
04-02-2009, 05:42 PM
Add me to that "Hey...I didn't know that!" category too. After being around these Studebakers for over 39 years, I don't ever recall the "captive air tires" being discussed. I owned a 2 door 59 wagon for years but nothing with a third seat. I suspect that many of us get a certain model that we think is rare and then are somewhat surprised at how many we see. I think it is because we are more inclined to notice the models we actually own. I also think that our knowledge is usually the most accurate as related to the models we have had or currently own. Then there are the "Company" guys, who are walking encyclopedias of all things "Studebaker." These "Historians" are a valuable asset to our hobby.

John Clary
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289stude
04-02-2009, 06:20 PM
Hey Bams Bud is still getting a little attention, I just took the axles off the frame a week or so ago. Now I'm trying to weld up a couple of small holes in the frame so it can make a trip to the sand blaster then off to the powder coater. I think cedar rapids will be a little optomistic at this point, with all the recent aquisitions, the Bud Fund has run a little dry, but I'm still doing the cheap stuff when I can.




John

53' 2R5 R1 Powershift TT Under Construction

57' Transtar 304 NP540 4:09 TT Under Construction (in Picture)

58' 3E6D Stock Sale Pending

61' 6E7 122 Factory Auto

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BobPalma
04-02-2009, 06:48 PM
:) John: A far better solution to the "problem" of no spare is to find a mini-spare from a late-model car and use that. It still won't fit in the compartment, but you could rig up a little vertical bracket inside the rear of the wagon and stand it up in there.

Some of the last rear-wheel-drive Chrysler Fifth Avenues (the ones based on the old Volare/Aspen body) used 15" tires with a mini-spare. One of those ought to be readily available in a junk yard. (In a Fifth Ave, they might even have a fuzzy factory cover on the spare you could clean up and use inside your Wagonaire.;))

When you get it home, be sure it will clear the calipers on your Wagonaire's disc brakes before you have to depend on it. :DBP

Swifster
04-02-2009, 07:06 PM
Not to stir up a hornets nest, but if you were having a restored Wagonaire judged, would you lose points for having something other than captive air tires?

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StudeRich
04-02-2009, 07:21 PM
Since NOBODY has 4 of the original ones, I think you are safe! :D

BobPalma
04-02-2009, 08:14 PM
quote:Originally posted by Swifster

Not to stir up a hornets nest, but if you were having a restored Wagonaire judged, would you lose points for having something other than captive air tires?

Tom

:) Well, there's nothing in the rules about it, Tom, and radial tires are now permitted with no authenticity deductions, so it would be a moot point. :DBP

Bellingham Studenut
04-02-2009, 09:09 PM
As long as you don't mix tires, judges would be fine. Having one non matching spare can loose points.
You can always travel with a spare in back as long as you don't have passengers needing the 3rd seat.
When you get to a show, just remove the spare (not with it during judging).
If you have 4 good tires and AAA, it's not so bad either. Many high $ street rods can't change tires except on a hoist.
I've only seen 1 car that still has captive air tires still on it, but I wouldn't trust driving it too far.

James

The Bell Collection
Bellingham, WA.

Dwain G.
04-02-2009, 11:01 PM
Goodyear replaced the Captive Air with the Lifeguard Safety Spare in 1963 or '64. Anything about this photo from the Studebaker shop manual seem odd to you?

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff195/DwainG/CaptiveAir0001.jpg

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Dwain G.

5859
04-02-2009, 11:42 PM
Looks like a 57 Plymouth wheel cover, maybe car too?

BobPalma
04-03-2009, 08:07 AM
:) Well, Dwain; there are some extant pre-production Proving Ground photos of 1958 Golden Hawks with 1957 Plymouth no-name wheel covers. Speculation has always been that the photos were taken before the actual 1958 Studebaker 14" wheel cover had been finalized and was actually available for a photo shoot.

That said, the photos in the Shop Manual could have been supplied by Goodyear and were not even taken by Studebaker photographic. :DBP

jclary
04-03-2009, 08:23 AM
quote:Then there are the "Company" guys, who are walking encyclopedias of all things "Studebaker." These "Historians" are a valuable asset to our hobby.

DWANE G. AND BOB PALMA!

Wouldn't surprise me if one or both are walking around with one of those tire gauges in their shirt pockets. You gotta love 'em!


John Clary
Greer, SC
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53k
04-03-2009, 10:44 AM
Back in November '63 when Studebaker cancelled my Wagonaire order due to shutting down in South Bend, they tried to get me to to take a car from inventory. It was identically equipped to my order* except that it had a black interior rather than red and it had the third seat with Captive Air tires. I didn't like a black interior in a white car and I wanted a spare- at replacement time those Captive Air tires were very expensive (relative to regular tires).
*We're talking a HEAVILY optioned car too (289 w/od, TT, disc brakes, factory air, reclining buckets, HD springs and shocks, clock, roof rack, power back window, tailgate step, all tint glass, AM-FM, windshield washer, etc.). I always wondered what ever happened to that car.




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studegary
04-03-2009, 01:22 PM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

:) John: A far better solution to the "problem" of no spare is to find a mini-spare from a late-model car and use that. It still won't fit in the compartment, but you could rig up a little vertical bracket inside the rear of the wagon and stand it up in there.

Some of the last rear-wheel-drive Chrysler Fifth Avenues (the ones based on the old Volare/Aspen body) used 15" tires with a mini-spare. One of those ought to be readily available in a junk yard. (In a Fifth Ave, they might even have a fuzzy factory cover on the spare you could clean up and use inside your Wagonaire.;))

When you get it home, be sure it will clear the calipers on your Wagonaire's disc brakes before you have to depend on it. :DBP


I agree with those that posted that four CaptiveAir tires were standard with the third seat option.
I also agree with Bob P. about carrying a modern, mini spare (the narrow type with high pressure, not the blow-up type).
I do not agree with Bob P's last comment about the necessity of making sure the spare clears the disc brakes. If you get a flat on the front and the spare doesn't fit over the discs, just take a wheel off the rear and put it on the front after putting the spare on the rear.

Edit:
As has been mentioned about street rods - I have owned three street rods that did not have spare tires/wheels.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

BobPalma
04-03-2009, 01:38 PM
quote:Originally posted by studegary
I do not agree with Bob P's last comment about the necessity of making sure the spare clears the disc brakes. If you get a flat on the front and the spare doesn't fit over the discs, just take a wheel off the rear and put it on the front after putting the spare on the rear.

Gary L.


:) True, Gary, and a point I considered.

However, my point is that you'll want to know that before you are on the road faced with a flat tire. If you know in advance that your spare will only fit on the rear, you'll not waste time trying to first put it on the front during what could be a dangerous situation on the road.

The time to figure that out is at home, "in the comfort of your own driveway!" :DBP