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Scott
03-31-2009, 03:32 PM
I know I'll get in trouble for asking this question, but I can't resist. It should make for good conversation.

I think a car is a parts car when it's not very unique, every panel has rust through or massive dents, the frame is shot and the doors are falling off. I think my criteria are much tougher than a lot of people's.

bob40
03-31-2009, 03:41 PM
When no one will pay more than it's worth in parts.

mbstude
03-31-2009, 04:14 PM
When the owner of the car wants to part it out.

:D

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

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klifton1
03-31-2009, 04:28 PM
If the top don't flop it's a parts car.
Klif

55 Speedster
63 Avanti R2

bams50
03-31-2009, 04:48 PM
quote:Originally posted by bob40

When no one will pay more than it's worth in parts.


Yikes! Don't go by that! That's a good way to get some nice-driving cars junked unnecessarily:(

That's a tough question to answer, like a moving target... but my stab at an answer is, if the frame is rusted out, that will kill all but the most valuable models- that's the biggest indicator. But some cars, like maybe a complete r2 package car, are worth even a frame replacement. See what I mean about the moving target?

Ultimately, I don't think there is a hard and fast answer to that question. Really the only way is on a case-by-case basis.

I have a couple borderline cases:

1. 62 GT 289 4-speed, runs and drives, full gauges, decent seats and door panels. Floors were replaced, quality work. Body panels decent and straight, glass good, trim mostly good. Severely rusted frame, and floor braces rusted out and not replaced.

2. 61 Lark 4dsd, 259 3-speed, no O/D; engine turns. Off road and stored inside since 1967. Absolutely no rust, floors, frame, even exhaust looks like brand new. Decent seats, door panels, dash. Rolled over, no glass, all doors and RR quarter damaged.

I thought hard about both, but decided both were parts cars. Maybe someday I'll get a clean, solid GT body shell and frame and transfer everything over. The Lark is SO clean I almost put a roof on it and fixed the doors and glass. Ultimately I sold the fenders to someone who really needed them and have the rest stored inside for future use. Got most of my money back through the fender sale.

In both cases I had to think about what I would pay for a comparable in driving condition; and weigh that against my desire to see as many as possible saved and returned to the road- a big thing to me. Not easy decisions!

As I said, decide on a car-by-car basis, and ask knowledgeable folks for their opinion; then make a decision and go with it!

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

BobGlasscock
03-31-2009, 04:54 PM
This is EASY! When 'that' car has a part that MY car needs!!

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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bob40
03-31-2009, 06:59 PM
Thats been my philosophy for over 30 years.
Works well....for me.Opinions may vary.
The 'save it all' arguement can and will
lead to situations such as the cars listed on
Craigslist in Iowa,the cars and trucks in PA.
that was a thread subject a few weeks ago.
A chapter member up here with 45+ Studes that
are now virtually worthless..all because they
were bought by someone who wanted to save them.
In that process they died from neglect and no one
got needed parts for actual running driving cars.
Some must die for others to live.Perhaps a quaint
phrase but in reality true.
I will agree with the R2 assesment.All hi-perf stuff
is rare enough that it justifies the resto cost.

Flashback
03-31-2009, 07:08 PM
When it's NOT a Studebaker.

Tex E. Grier
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bams50
03-31-2009, 07:24 PM
You have a point, bob40. A good example is the thread about Torrey Kirby's collection. Lots of desirable cars there:( If you could take a picture of that lot today and go back 30 years and show him, I bet there's no way he would have figured those cars to end up like that:(

As I said, it's a moving target.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Dick Steinkamp
03-31-2009, 07:44 PM
I'm with Matthew.

Lots of folks have a problem with government agencies telling us what we can and can't do with a car, but many have no problem doing the same thing [:0].

"Whatever you do, don't put a SBC in it. The only true Studebakers are stockers. Modify them ONLY the way I would do." etc.

Carries over to this subject. "Don't part them out unless it meets MY criteria."

There are many reasons cars are parted out. They are often worth more in parts than whole. No one would buy it whole so might as well remove some parts that are the most valuable and scrap the rest. Out of room and it has to go. Needed some parts for his own project so might as well sell some off the same car to others. etc. etc.

Fact is, every car parted out keeps another Stude (or 2 or 3 or 4) on the road. If some Studes aren't parted out, the ones that are on the road would cease to be after a while.

If someone wants to part out a '64 full package car for WHATEVER reason, I'm fine with it. If someone wants to buy Studes to save them and let them rust away in the back 40, I'm OK with that too.

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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bams50
03-31-2009, 08:08 PM
I may have missed the point of the question; I thought Scott was asking for others' criteria, not whether anyone should offer their criteria... but I could be wrong. I agree, in the end it comes down to the individual.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

jedmu0940
03-31-2009, 08:36 PM
Thats a great question have you ever seen what people have restored in Hemmings wow it's amamzing!
Jack

1955 SPEEDSTER LEMON/LIME
1955 SPEEDSTER RED & WHITE
1964 R2 GT HAWK (SID)
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buddymander
03-31-2009, 08:38 PM
It isn't really that hard to change a frame, so I don't get why that's so important. Even a rusted frame is a lot easier to fix than a rusted body. If you really want a nice car that is over fifty years old, then you shouldn't expect to get that out of just ONE car. A frame here, a body from over there, engine from someplace, interior pieced together. If your car isn't going to be worth much when its all finished, then it's a parts car already.

jclary
03-31-2009, 08:39 PM
quote:BobGlasscock
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This is EASY! When 'that' car has a part that MY car needs!!


Bob, did you forget to add... "when the owner is not looking?"

John Clary
Greer, SC
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I have only two limitations ...BRAINS & ENERGY
SDC member since 1975

BobGlasscock
03-31-2009, 09:49 PM
hmmm, I might have forgotten that, not sure.............

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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candbstudebakers
03-31-2009, 10:51 PM
It becomes a parts car when it is its time for almost any reason, no space, parts worth more as parts than full car, need the bucks,, I have been there and done that with still more to come, city is now on me to move a few of the ones I did save and have at my shop, if I can't put them in side they need to be moved you know the old catch 22, now also with city and county and even the states needing more and more dollars they want to come after the little guy any way they can, get rid of them or plan on paying big fines......Bob Peterson

BobGlasscock
04-01-2009, 08:32 AM
My city passed an RV parking ordinance many years ago, and I went to the zoning office to get a copy so I could comply. I read it and had a question, so went to the city attorney to get the answer. The ordinance had the phrase "privacy fence" within the definition of blocking the RV from public view. What is the definition of a privacy fence? Well, I penned the attorney down quite severely and got it in writing. A privacy fence is a fence which you cannot see through. So, how high does it have to be? hmmmm, hang on and sit down, he said it would have to rise above the surrounding ground and landscape. So I asked, 6 inches????? And he said, yes. Read those rules closely and it might make your life a little easier.

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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jclary
04-01-2009, 09:00 AM
Bob, that reminds me of a story about a small southern town that passed an ordinance requiring a local Junkyard Owner to put a fence around his Junkyard. So, he did, and then hired a local artist to paint a mural of junk cars on the fence!

John Clary
Greer, SC
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I have only two limitations ...BRAINS & ENERGY
SDC member since 1975

Kurt
04-01-2009, 09:45 AM
My 66 that I restored the first time, should have been a parts car. I restored it anyway, because it was my first Stude. Plus it was rusty EVERYWHERE, and I convinced myself at age 25 that I could use this as a learning experience. So I patched it up drove it to local shows and cruise ins and had fun with it. When my 16 year old son wrecked it years later, I thought I will part it out. When I pushed it in the shop I couldn't do it, this rusty patched up old Lark had become a family member, I'm Sentimental, So over time I parted other Studes to save this one. Smart? No. Goes back to what has already been said it's your decision to decide when a car is a parts car.

66 Commander R1 Clone
51 Commander 4dr

tutone63
04-01-2009, 10:55 AM
My Lark was pretty rusty before it was put back on the road. (of course on the flip side, the mechanicals needed only minor work)

I guess the way that I see it, is in the case of older cars (pre 1973) They become a parts car when:

1: You have neither the means or desire to restore/rod it.

2: Upon a thorough, long lasting search, no one else wants to restore/rod it.

There are a few exceptions to this rule:

If the car in question is a rare multiple, and in order to make a fully original restoration, both cars must be combined into one.

There are others, but in many (not all) cases, alot of fixable cars get scrapped. (of course, in the case of rare autos, sometimes a really bad one must be given to parts as certain parts are no longer availabe, like chrome, but this goes back to what I mentioned earlier)


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1963 Lark, 259 V8, two-tone paint, Twin Traction. I can't wait till the salt is off the roads!!