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289stude
03-30-2009, 07:12 PM
Hey Guy's I did some calling around today to Sasco Studes INT. and Phantom interiors. Nobody has a white cardboard (looks quilted) Daytona headliner. Phantom said she is gonna make a fiberglass repo headliner, which sound like a great upgrade for driving, but what about showing? I would assume that would be a points deduction. Now I'm not sure what i'm going to do with Delihla yet, but I may keep her around till I cam afford a full force show quality resto. If that happens I'll need an NOS or very good headliner. Anybody have one or have a lead on one?




John

53' 2R5 R1 Powershift TT Under Construction

57' Transtar 304 NP540 4:09 TT Under Construction (in Picture)

58' 3E6D Stock Sale Pending

61' 6E7 122 Factory Auto

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StudeRich
03-30-2009, 07:22 PM
quote:Originally posted by 289stude

/Cut/I'll need an NOS or very good headliner. Anybody have one or have a lead on one?

You have not been looking long enough John, most of us have been for over 30 years and no luck! :D Good hunting!

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StudeRich at Studebakers Northwest -Ferndale,WA

studeclunker
03-30-2009, 07:25 PM
If you ever find a supplier, there are a lot of Wagonaire owners who would like one. I've had four Wagonaires and none of them had the cardboard in servicable condition. In fact, I've never seen a slide-top with a decent headliner. Leaking door seals cause damp inside the cars and it destroys the cardboard ceiling.

They must have been beautiful when new though. Snowy white and silver sparkles, along with that slight quilting... just beautiful.

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4-speed wagonaire
03-30-2009, 08:34 PM
I'll be looking too as most of mine is/was lying on the floor and seats or just hanging around where it should not be.....

Bill, Many Fords and one great Stude!

289stude
03-30-2009, 08:51 PM
Mine is in REALLY good shape except for a couple of mouse holes.

DARN THEM TERRRIBLE MEEECES!




John

53' 2R5 R1 Powershift TT Under Construction

57' Transtar 304 NP540 4:09 TT Under Construction (in Picture)

58' 3E6D Stock Sale Pending

61' 6E7 122 Factory Auto

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ST2DE5
03-30-2009, 08:58 PM
Has anybody ever contacted Ernie Loga. He might have a lead on some of the cardboard headliner.

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bams50
03-30-2009, 08:58 PM
Hey JB, there's a project for you to repop! I'll take at least a couple[:p]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

mbstude
03-30-2009, 09:28 PM
The headliner in Dad's Wagonaire is pretty darn nice. Not sure it it's original or not, it came to us that way. That car hasn't seen a drop of rain in the 5 years that Dad has owned it. ;)

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/1959S2D/seat001.jpg

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

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289stude
03-30-2009, 10:13 PM
Nice Matthew, it's a shame thats about the same shape mine is in, if it weren't for the 2 quarter sized mouse holes it would be almost perfect. It will do for a driver but if I ever want to show, it will need replace.




John

53' 2R5 R1 Powershift TT Under Construction

57' Transtar 304 NP540 4:09 TT Under Construction (in Picture)

58' 3E6D Stock Sale Pending

61' 6E7 122 Factory Auto

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p99/289stude/transtar3-1-2.jpg

bams50
03-30-2009, 10:21 PM
Matthew, it's hard to see it clearly with the flash. Would you take one or two in sunlight, so we can see just how it, and the surrounding trim, is supposed to look?

I wonder what would be a decent replacement? It would be cool to figure out an authentic-looking replacement that would be a little more water-resistant. I'd hate to put in, say, a NOS one and seeing it stained the first time I got caught in the rain:( It's a real melon-scratcher, but if we all brainstorm we might be able to figure something out...

Anyone have ideas?

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

289stude
03-30-2009, 10:33 PM
Hey Bams I talked to the lady at Phantom this morning. She is thinking of doing them in fiberglass for just that reason. It would be a MUCH better way to go but would not work for the purist. I would much rather use the fiberglass model but if shes going to do it it would be more cost effective for her to repop the cardboard. Then she could sell to all who wanted one. I think If shes only going to do one model the cardboard covers everone then all we need to do is find a better seal system to keep out the water.




John

53' 2R5 R1 Powershift TT Under Construction

57' Transtar 304 NP540 4:09 TT Under Construction (in Picture)

58' 3E6D Stock Sale Pending

61' 6E7 122 Factory Auto

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p99/289stude/transtar3-1-2.jpg

studeclunker
03-30-2009, 11:07 PM
Well, for one, if the cardboard was painted with an exterior paint on the outside and a light fiberglassing on the inside, it would look great and not be so prone to warping/waterstaining.

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Home of the famous Mr. Ed!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

bams50
03-31-2009, 04:32 AM
quote:Originally posted by 289stude

Hey Bams I talked to the lady at Phantom this morning. She is thinking of doing them in fiberglass



That might be a good answer. I'd like to have one you could install and not have to think about again. I've yet to own a Wagonaire for any period of time, but I could see worrying about that headliner getting wet detracting from the fun of taking it on a trip, or even taking it out locally if the weather's questionable:(

I bet that would be pricey... I wonder if one could be made looking close enough to stock to fool judges??

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

garyash
03-31-2009, 06:43 AM
Actually, the original material was not durable and an especially bad choice for sliding roof Wagonaires. If the top of the roof was damp and it was opened, it made the cardboard soggy. Even normal humidity made the stuff sag.

The fiberglass reproduction pieces for the Avantis show what can be done. The problem is to get some full-size Wagonaire pieces in good shape to make a silicone rubber mold. There aren't any NOS pieces to use, and taking one out of a car destroys the cardboard. It's as if a mold with the waffle pattern would need to be machined. After molding and painting off-white, the pattern of little silver dots would have to be silk-screened onto the waffled surface. Not an easy task!

I've been thinking about getting some thin sheets of ABS plastic and having an upholstery shop glue on some of the perforated cloth used as headliners in GT Hawks. That would look pretty close to the original and be much more durable. The front piece might have to be molded a little but even that is relatively cheap tooling. Maybe we should ask Roddoors if they could do it - they already make ABS headliners for M and C-cab trucks. See http://www.roddoors.com/pages/hdlnr-dir.html

[img=left]http://www.studegarage.com/images/indy/gary_indycar25_vvsm.jpg[/img=left] Gary Ash
Dartmouth, Mass.
'32 Indy car replica (in progress)
'48 M5
'65 Wagonaire Commander
'63 Wagonaire Standard
web site at http://www.studegarage.com

Captain Billy
03-31-2009, 06:56 AM
Just so happens I have the two pieces and they are in very good condition except for a small dog ear on one. I had them for sale a couple of years ago.....no takers.

I thought I had pictures....can't find them at this time.

To Gary's point...cardboard is not the best choice in this application, unless you travel with a tarp.


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Bill Foy
Kingston, Ontario
1964 Wagonaire Slider

289stude
03-31-2009, 07:09 AM
I may be interesred in those pieces, let me know what pieces you have






John

53' 2R5 R1 Powershift TT Under Construction

57' Transtar 304 NP540 4:09 TT Under Construction (in Picture)

58' 3E6D Stock Sale Pending

61' 6E7 122 Factory Auto

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bams50
03-31-2009, 07:49 AM
Or better yet, sell them to me or Gary or somebody that can get the repops made, THEN sell it to John!

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

GTtim
03-31-2009, 08:29 AM
I wouldn't buy anything that was as fragile as the original. Mine is all destroyed from the usual leaks. If I was going to make the investment, my choice would go to durability first, acceptance by the judges second. What would the deduction be for the wrong headliner? Two points?

Tim K.
'64 R2 GT Hawk

289stude
03-31-2009, 08:39 AM
Thats what I was wondering? Does anybody know what the deduction would be if I were to go with a good fiberglass repo?




John

53' 2R5 R1 Powershift TT Under Construction

57' Transtar 304 NP540 4:09 TT Under Construction (in Picture)

58' 3E6D Stock Sale Pending

61' 6E7 122 Factory Auto

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p99/289stude/transtar3-1-2.jpg

JDP
03-31-2009, 09:13 AM
quote:Originally posted by 289stude

Thats what I was wondering? Does anybody know what the deduction would be if I were to go with a good fiberglass repo?




Don't obsess about the points. The difference between a 385 point car and a 395 could cost you 1000's of dollars. i.e. $600 for 5 correct tires, $250 for the correct battery and the like. You can lose a dozen points and still comfortably win a first. Of course it might cost a extra 10K to go from a near perfect driver to a plastic trophy winner.:)

JDP/Maryland

289stude
03-31-2009, 09:49 AM
good enough I'm used to the truck thing this car thing is a whole different ballgame. Going from restoring a Stude Truck to of all things a Daytona Wagon what a big step. I will keep on the lady from Phantom then to do the fiberglass headliner. She said it would be close to exact with the quilted look and silver dots.

If anybody else is interested call them so we can push this through. It's fresh on her mind right now if she starts getting calls it might work out.





John

53' 2R5 R1 Powershift TT Under Construction

57' Transtar 304 NP540 4:09 TT Under Construction (in Picture)

58' 3E6D Stock Sale Pending

61' 6E7 122 Factory Auto

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p99/289stude/transtar3-1-2.jpg

Captain Billy
03-31-2009, 10:03 AM
Here they are.

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z252/caprisx/Parts007.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z252/caprisx/Parts008.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z252/caprisx/Parts009.jpg


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Bill Foy
Kingston, Ontario
1964 Wagonaire Slider

289stude
03-31-2009, 10:04 AM
Send me an email, if your interested in selling them.




John

53' 2R5 R1 Powershift TT Under Construction

57' Transtar 304 NP540 4:09 TT Under Construction (in Picture)

58' 3E6D Stock Sale Pending

61' 6E7 122 Factory Auto

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p99/289stude/transtar3-1-2.jpg

Roscomacaw
03-31-2009, 11:25 AM
Not that it really helps, BUT... there were a couple of years that Rambler Americans used the exact same stuff as the Wagonaires. Now, if it came to convincing Phantom that they could sell some of that stuff, I could put them in touch with at least one Rambler vendor that would proabably love to get ahold of some.[^]

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

ChampTrucking
03-31-2009, 11:56 AM
Hey 289 Stude,if you buy them,would you be willing to lay them out on some paper to make a template? I would like to have proper dimentions to try making something that would work.
Heck,for plain smooth white headliner,could a sheet of the plastic the "bathroom re fitters" glue to the walls on cheap renovations be used? It would be waterproof!

Roscomacaw
03-31-2009, 12:16 PM
I had the opportunity of holding an NOS headliner in my hands once. By design, a good part of what held them up, was the curve that was imparted to them by being rolled up. Whether that curve was impressed upon the pieces at the time of manufacture or by merely being rolled up in a tube, it played a big part in the installation.
The '66 Wagonaire I was doing some time back, I was using the mahogany door skin stuff from Lowes and covering it with a material. It wasn't even CLOSE to original in appearance, but I wasn't striving for such - just something to look nice and functional. BTW, I never did (to my satisfaction anyway) master the compound curves of the forward-most section.[B)]

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

ChampTrucking
03-31-2009, 12:39 PM
Biggs,you are depressing me! LOL BTW, I do not need the drivers door post out of that Lark parts car but Thanks for the offer.I found a 61Cruiser here in a junk yard that had a nice post and I sawzalled it out. The post will be on its way to Tennessee shortly.

bams50
03-31-2009, 03:04 PM
quote:Originally posted by Captain Billy

Here they are.



Bill, if John doesn't take 'em I can use 'em! You can drop them off at my business when you go by this Summer;)

JB, that's a good idea about a number of us calling Phantom... if someone's willing to make one that looks original, only better, they need all our encouragement:) I'll call this week.

Maybe they'll want that encouragement to come in the form of pre-paid orders... if that's what it takes, I'll be in!

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

mbstude
03-31-2009, 04:20 PM
I'll try and get a better picture of the headliner tomorrow. The car is under a carport and it's getting ready to storm, so there's no chance of a daylight pic today. :)

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/1959S2D/tiny.jpg

bams50
03-31-2009, 05:05 PM
Thaks Matthew, that would be great.



quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

I had the opportunity of holding an NOS headliner in my hands once. By design, a good part of what held them up, was the curve that was imparted to them by being rolled up.

I guess that's another point in favor of a fiberglas repro. Probably would never have to worry about sagging again.

Of course, a fiberglas headliner brings up three problems I can think of right off: One is, how many pieces does it have to be to be shippable; another is, how many pieces does it have to be to be installable; and finally, you need a reliable, authentic-looking method to join the pieces. And that's after you figure out how to recreate the pattern and the dots... a challenging project for sure... but if these are figured out, it's a great solution![^]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

garyash
03-31-2009, 09:24 PM
Bob:
The headliner parts aren't that big or difficult. I'll go check the measurements, but my poor memory says the largest piece (center section) is about 38x43 inches. The front and rear pieces are about the same size. They don't need to be joined to anything, they just mount into the roof with trim and glue. Even the shop manual states that the pieces will be destroyed if you need to service the sliding roof mechanism. There are two more small pieces on each side above the rear quarter windows. They could all be shipped in a flat box of about 42x45x 1.5" or less, not much weight.

I'll go check dimensions this week, as well as the dot pattern. I can generate an AutoCad file to make a screen for the dot pattern.

The original material was two thin layers of paper or cardboard with a foam layer between. They were either pressed flat or a roller with a square pattern was passed over the pieces to crush the foam into the waffle pattern. I'm sure the dots were printed on the flat material before it was embossed. The waffle embossing allowed the flat sheets to be formed into the front of the passenger compartment without visible wrinkling.

Incidentally, in my '65 Wagonaire, some previous owner - the kind that used baling wire, chewing gum, and floor tile adhesive - re-attached the sagging headliner to the steel roof by inserting a piece of acoustic ceiling tile coated on both sides with floor tile adhesive, then used a roller to put on flat white ceiling paint over the water stains. Looks terrible, but I have nothing to replace it with. The sliding roof scrapes the middle headliner if I open it all the way. I'm all for a project to make some kind of replacements. But, as I said, '64 GT Hawk perforated white vinyl on top of .093" thick ABS plastic sheet looks better and better every day. A 48x96" sheet of ABS is about $40.

http://www.studegarage.com/images/WAGNJADS.JPG

And, yes, some American Motors cars of the early '60s also used exactly the same material from the same supplier - and the AMC owners ran out of the stuff a long time ago. Been there, tried that!

[img=left]http://www.studegarage.com/images/indy/gary_indycar25_vvsm.jpg[/img=left] Gary Ash
Dartmouth, Mass.
'32 Indy car replica (in progress)
'48 M5
'65 Wagonaire Commander
'63 Wagonaire Standard
web site at http://www.studegarage.com

2R5
03-31-2009, 09:34 PM
Anyone figure just how many Wagonaires are out there ?
This may or may not be a profitable project for a vender???

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"IF YOU WANT THE SMILES YOU NEED TO DO THE MILES "

1960 Champ
1964 Daytona HT

bams50
03-31-2009, 10:09 PM
quote:Originally posted by garyash

'64 GT Hawk perforated white vinyl on top of .093" thick ABS plastic sheet looks better and better every day.

Thanks for your input, Gary.

Your idea with the ABS still leaves the problem of satisfactorily forming the curved area in the front...

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Roscomacaw
03-31-2009, 11:35 PM
This afternoon I was out back with the tractor and disc. At one point I swung around where that 63 Wagonaire had been sitting just a month or so ago.
On the ground were several scraps of headliner that I'd cleared out and I stopped to pick up a piece. It had been a long time since I'd assessed that stuff with an eye to figuring out some sort of replacement.
As I mentioned earlier, the front section with it's compound curves was proving to be a challenge. What I'd long since forgotten that I'd concluded back then was....... the impressed grid pattern of the stuff is a good part of the reason it could conform to the aforementioned compound curves! Likewise, this quality of it allowed it to fit Rambler American roofs - even tho they were anything but flat or one-dimensional.[}:)]

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

jimmijim8
04-01-2009, 07:56 AM
This is getting interesting. I am sure someone within the club will come up with a suitable fix. jimmijim

Captain Billy
04-01-2009, 08:09 AM
If some one was to take on this project, fiberglass repro, I could part with these as templates.
As to Gary's point using hawk headliner, I used that on mahogany door skin with a thin layer of foam material between the panel and the roof.
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z252/caprisx/StudieResto002_edited.jpg

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z252/caprisx/StudieResto003-2.jpg

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z252/caprisx/StAndrews07159.jpg

Bill Foy
Kingston, Ontario
1964 Wagonaire Slider

garyash
04-01-2009, 05:51 PM
Great job, Bill! It's nice to see that it actually looks very good and can be done without fancy tooling. I was trying to remember if Malcom Berry did something similar in his Wagonaire. Was it necessary to glue the mahogany to the roof or was it stiff enough to support itself?

How did you work it in the very front? Can we see some close-ups of the front corners?

As to BAMS comments about how to form the ABS to the shape of the front of the car, a sheet of 1/8" thickness is heated gently, then vacuum formed into a mold. If you go to the Roddoors web site, you can see the nice molded ABS headliner parts they make for the M truck and C-cab trucks. Those have lots of curvature molded in, as well as other detail. I tried calling Roddoors today (Wednesday, April 1), but they are away at some car show at Charlotte Speedway this week and weekend. Does anyone have a Wagonaire in NC that can drive to that show and ask them about making some pieces. Their shop is in Rocky Mount, NC. Any Wagonaire guys near there? Otherwise, we could always have someone cut the front part of the roof off a junker and deliver it to Roddoors for them to make a mold from it. Since the Wagonaires use different windshields from sedans, it might have to be a roof from a wagon. As we can see from Bill's photos, only the front piece needs shaping.

I think we're making progress here. Fascinating!


[img=left]http://www.studegarage.com/images/indy/gary_indycar25_vvsm.jpg[/img=left] Gary Ash
Dartmouth, Mass.
'32 Indy car replica (in progress)
'48 M5
'65 Wagonaire Commander
'63 Wagonaire Standard
web site at http://www.studegarage.com

289stude
04-01-2009, 07:55 PM
I talked to these guys today

http://www.smsautofabrics.com/navigation.html

and they claim to be the country's largest distributor of viynl, cloth, ect. for seat covers carpets, and headliner material. They claim they have almost every type of material beit NOS or repo, for you car. I asked them about the Wagonaire Daytona, and she simply said send a sample and we'll match it up. I'm not going to hold my breath but sounded possible.

Anyhow has anybody ever tried this source for that particular material?




John

53' 2R5 R1 Powershift TT Under Construction

57' Transtar 304 NP540 4:09 TT Under Construction (in Picture)

58' 3E6D Stock Sale Pending

61' 6E7 122 Factory Auto

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p99/289stude/transtar3-1-2.jpg

bams50
04-01-2009, 09:35 PM
Good ideas and discussion!!

I haven't yet called Phantom myself- I was going to hold off till I saw where this discussion led. Do we agree that those of us interested should call and encourage them?

We have a sample to use for patterns, and it appears at least a few that would be willing to lay down a deposit if requested, right? Or, should we see what else develops be for we call? And yes, I did buy a Wagonaire that will need one (more on it when I get it here- don't want to sidetrack this thread).

Thanks for your efforts, JB. SMS is well-known; but I wonder if they can make them, or just supply material?

Personally, I've lost all interest in an original or original-style (i.e. paper) one. I think one made of a material that the inevitable leak won't damage is THE way to go!

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

gordr
04-01-2009, 11:01 PM
In my old '63 Wagonaire, I replaced the front section of headliner, the part with the compound curves, with a scrap of headliner scavenged from a scrap Chrysler Newport, or similar big Mopar beast. This stuff is composed of a thin layer of lightly-bonded yellow fiberglass mat, with thin embossed vinyl bonded to the exposed side. Stiff enough to hold its shape, but very light, and able to be bent.

Similar stuff is used in some of those big passenger vans.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

Son O Lark
04-02-2009, 05:09 AM
I used old vertical blinds to fill in the rail sections of the sliding roof. They are all white but still look good. For the dreaded cardboard replacement I used fiberglas(spun insulation) backed ceiling tiles(2ft. by 4ft.). I found a burlap-type pattern at Menard's. I had to thin it with a long knife. Cuts easy and went in easy. I did the whole thing for less than $10!!! CASO's RULE!!:D

Captain Billy
04-02-2009, 07:11 AM
Gary,

When I did the front section I used multiple pieces to form the outside compound curves then laminated over the whole thing cutting reliefs and feathering the edges, lotsa' work but the result wasn't bad. As always, if I were doing it again, I`d do it a little different.
I have a line on a possible wagonaire donor roof, i was going to mock up a interior panel and have it glassed by a local boat repair shop....but that ain't gonna happen in the short term, the ABS idea is a good direction if the cost is within reason.
The mahogany is stiff enough to arc over to the channels but you need to put some type of insulator on the roof to keep the rigid material from buffeting against the sheet metal, I was successful using some thin foam. You do have to watch how thick a piece you use as it can rub against the sliding section if built up too much.
I also came up with a good set up for replacement rollers for the roof section and it`s cheap....shower door rollers.

I've got a few pictures of Malcolms car, all under the hood.

We will be attending the Rutland show....see ya there.

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Bill Foy
Kingston, Ontario
1964 Wagonaire Slider

garyash
04-03-2009, 12:04 PM
Of course, the headliner pieces are NOT in the parts catalog! [Nor is any of the upholstery.] So, does anyone have an interiors book to look up part numbers for the headliner pieces? With numbers, the museum can look for the original drawings. That would make sizing the parts easier.

There are 7 pieces, not 5 as I previously thought:
Front section
Middle section
Rear section
Left and right side middle
Left and right side rear

I've got a very UGLY front section that I can trace around for a pattern, but a real drawing would be the ticket. Numbers, please!

[img=left]http://www.studegarage.com/images/indy/gary_indycar25_vvsm.jpg[/img=left] Gary Ash
Dartmouth, Mass.
'32 Indy car replica (in progress)
'48 M5
'65 Wagonaire Commander
'63 Wagonaire Standard
web site at http://www.studegarage.com

bams50
04-03-2009, 04:54 PM
Good course to follow, Gary!

An alternative if that doesn't work out might be to get a well-preserved set like Billy's and loan them to someone that can/will make the fiberglas repros- like Phantom or ? In that case the question would be if they were willing to do it; as mentioned, might take some paid orders to grease the wheels...

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

johnandcathy
12-14-2011, 06:10 PM
was reading the thread and it looked like you were close, but then nothing else was there... I tried Phantom she said on her site she had a paper pattern for sale for 39.00 plus shipping I ordered and then was told she did not have the pattern so that is a no go. Still looking for that headliner replacement and would appreciate any advice... thanks, Cathy

Bob Andrews
12-14-2011, 06:48 PM
I tried to take this up this Spring, but had no luck. Here's that thread:

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?50561-Headliner-for-Wagonaire-PICTURE-REQUEST

oliver bros garage
12-16-2011, 04:20 PM
I hope someone can come up with something to help everyone out here.