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John and Tracy Smith
03-29-2009, 12:17 AM
We are interested in learning more about South Bend/Studebaker pocket watches. Can anyone recommend some good reference books/materials that would help us out? Thanks in advance!

John and Tracy Smith
Queen Creek Arizona
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53k
03-29-2009, 08:26 AM
quote:Originally posted by John and Tracy Smith

We are interested in learning more about South Bend/Studebaker pocket watches. Can anyone recommend some good reference books/materials that would help us out? Thanks in advance!

Google is your friend- http://www.pocketwatchrepair.com/histories/southbend.html




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ST2DE5
03-29-2009, 10:29 AM
George Reitenour. Monterey, Tennessee
931-839-2884 I hope this right number it's the last one I have. He always has a bunch of Studebaker watches and a good repair man for watches.

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Gary1953
03-29-2009, 11:21 AM
George has hundreds of South Bend watches and does repair work on them.
He is the man to contact for every thing South Bend watches.

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Nixa, MO
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John and Tracy Smith
03-29-2009, 01:02 PM
Thanks for the leads! We will give George a call on Monday. Until then, does anyone know of anything in print that would be a good reference, as well?

John and Tracy Smith
Queen Creek Arizona
http://1955studebaker.blogspot.com/

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53k
03-29-2009, 02:03 PM
quote:Originally posted by John and Tracy Smith

Thanks for the leads! We will give George a call on Monday. Until then, does anyone know of anything in print that would be a good reference, as well?

If you didn't like my previous post listing a url that has a lot of Studebaker and South Bend watch information, at least look at this one- http://bestantiquepocketwatches.com/. It addresses the difference between Studebaker watches and The Studebakers watches.




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jclary
03-29-2009, 02:41 PM
As a lot of my posts seem to start with "many years ago", this one is no different. Back in the mid 1970's when I was one of the young ones at the Studebaker meets, I would often see a couple of older members, often clad in coveralls, greet one another by asking for the time. They would almost simultaneously produce a couple of pocket watches and a protracted conversation would follow. It was some time and several meets later when I discovered that there was such a thing as Studebaker Watches and the "Old-timers" were merely creating an opportunity to show off their watches. At my last major Studebaker meet, I compared watches with a fellow member. As I walked away, it dawned on me that now I am one of the "Old-timers!"


John Clary
Greer, SC
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ST2DE5
03-29-2009, 03:01 PM
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If you didn't like my previous post listing a url that has a lot of Studebaker and South Bend watch information, at least look at this one- http://bestantiquepocketwatches.com/. It addresses the difference between Studebaker watches and The Studebakers watches.


But George is a member of SDC. And has been for a long time.

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John and Tracy Smith
03-29-2009, 03:36 PM
Both sites are great and we are enjoying reading through them (we were surprised, for example, to find out that there is a difference in worth between watches stamped "The Studebaker" versus simply "Studebaker"). We're also looking forward to speaking with George about some specific questions we have. Additionally, though, we are looking to find a guide of sorts that we can bring along with us when we are out and about, hunting for Studebaker treasures. Sometimes we stop in little antique stores in our travels and it would be nice to have a "cheat sheet" of sorts to refer to in those situations.

John and Tracy Smith
Queen Creek Arizona
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wolfie
03-29-2009, 04:41 PM
The watch traders guide available at better bookstores is a must have to fool with watches of any sort.There is also a pocket guide but make sure the studebakers are in it before you buy it.Steve

kurtruk
03-29-2009, 05:56 PM
There was a specific Turning Wheels article on pocket watches years back. Some one more savvy than I will have to provide the specific issue date.

KURTRUK
(read it backwards)


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studegary
03-29-2009, 10:50 PM
It may not be safe to assume that you know that Studebaker watches were NOT manufactured by the Studebaker Corporation that made vehicles.
I will vouch for George R. as being honest as well as knowledgable on Studebaker/South Bend watches.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

Gary1953
03-30-2009, 04:17 AM
Turning Wheels Feb. 1974 has the South Bend Watch article.


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Nixa, MO
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kurtruk
03-30-2009, 04:23 AM
I'm sure there was something more recent, since I have only been a member for a couple of decades and I remember reading it in one of the TW issues I received.

KURTRUK
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Green53
03-31-2009, 12:02 AM
John & Tracy- I have information on the South Bend/Studebaker watches. I will look for it in my literature. I have several of them in my collection. One of these days come up to our end of town and I will show them to you.
Denny L

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53k
04-01-2009, 08:49 AM
quote:Originally posted by John and Tracy Smith

Both sites are great and we are enjoying reading through them (we were surprised, for example, to find out that there is a difference in worth between watches stamped "The Studebaker" versus simply "Studebaker"). We're also looking forward to speaking with George about some ...
Unfortunately, this article didn't say why The Studebaker watches are more valuable than plain Studebaker watches. The difference is The Studebaker were railroad quality watches (met railroad standards for accuracy and were lever set vice stem set). Plain Studebaker watches were stem set and not railroad quality. South Bend watches were both railroad and non-railroad too, with railroad quality worth much more as well.
The story I have heard regarding the lever set versus stem set was that in the early days of pocket watches the time was set by pulling and turning the stem. The stem of one conductor's watch got accidentally pulled and the time was changed resulting in a train wreck. So, railroads set a quality standard which included a requirement that the stem could not be used to set the time. The watch must be opened and a concealed lever has to be pulled out before the stem can be used to set the time.
At an auction I bought a watch that said "Studebaker" on the face. I took it to George to replace the crystal and do some maintenance on it. He told me the face had been replaced and that it was actually a South Bend. The good news was that it was a railroad quality South Bend so I had him replace the face with the correct South Bend face. I also have two Hamilton railroad quality watches. One belonged to my Dad and one to my Grandfather. Neither had run for years, but George repaired them for me and now they tick right along. To me, the better quality watches are works of art

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John and Tracy Smith
04-14-2009, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by 53k

Unfortunately, this article didn't say why The Studebaker watches are more valuable than plain Studebaker watches. The difference is The Studebaker were railroad quality watches (met railroad standards for accuracy and were lever set vice stem set). Plain Studebaker watches were stem set and not railroad quality. South Bend watches were both railroad and non-railroad too, with railroad quality worth much more as well.
The story I have heard regarding the lever set versus stem set was that in the early days of pocket watches the time was set by pulling and turning the stem. The stem of one conductor's watch got accidentally pulled and the time was changed resulting in a train wreck. So, railroads set a quality standard which included a requirement that the stem could not be used to set the time. The watch must be opened and a concealed lever has to be pulled out before the stem can be used to set the time.

This one might be fun to watch.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=280331732599

John and Tracy Smith
Queen Creek Arizona
http://1955studebaker.blogspot.com/

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53k
04-15-2009, 07:54 AM
quote:Originally posted by John and Tracy Smith
This one might be fun to watch.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=280331732599

I guess I have never actually looked at a "The Studebaker" watch. I thought "The Studebaker" appeared on the face.
Thanks for posting.





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wolfie
04-15-2009, 08:29 AM
[/quote]
I guess I have never actually looked at a "The Studebaker" watch. I thought "The Studebaker" appeared on the face.
Thanks for posting.


"The Studebaker"'s should say South Bend on the dial."Studebaker" watches may say Studebaker or South Bend on the dial.Some people will claim certain grades of South Bend's are Studebakers or The Studebakers but I personally only count the ones the works are marked studebaker in. "The Studebaker" watches are usually quite valued,although lately prices on everything seem to be dropping.Steve