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arkiejazz
12-13-2006, 07:23 PM
Weather was nice, I was driving my '63 Champ today. Got pulled over by a local "Barney" and was read the riot act about the placement of my rear license plate. I tried to explain to him that this was a 1963 vintage truck and the license plate had been in the same spot since 1963. He would have none of that. I was told that if he saw me on the street again with the license plate in the same place, he would promptly issue a traffic citation. His explanation was that my plate was not readily visible. It didn't help matters when I told him that I wasn't breaking any law and he didn't need to see my plate in the first place.
Anyway, have any of you run into anything similar? And, if so, what did you do to remedy the situation?
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lstude
12-13-2006, 08:22 PM
Usually the step bumper has license plate lights mounted on both sides of the indented area and the license plate is bolted to the back part of the bumper. You may have to do that to satisfy the local fuzz.

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lstude
12-13-2006, 08:22 PM
Usually the step bumper has license plate lights mounted on both sides of the indented area and the license plate is bolted to the back part of the bumper. You may have to do that to satisfy the local fuzz.

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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Dick Steinkamp
12-13-2006, 08:28 PM
#1...Don't argue with a cop. Absolutely no percentage in that

#2...I'd put the license plate where the 3 holes are in back of the trailer hitch ball (the outside holes might even be spaced correctly). I don't think I'd do anything special to light the plate. There is probably a law to do so, but I doubt if you'd be hasseled about that.

#3...Nice truck! [:p]

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Dick Steinkamp
12-13-2006, 08:28 PM
#1...Don't argue with a cop. Absolutely no percentage in that

#2...I'd put the license plate where the 3 holes are in back of the trailer hitch ball (the outside holes might even be spaced correctly). I don't think I'd do anything special to light the plate. There is probably a law to do so, but I doubt if you'd be hasseled about that.

#3...Nice truck! [:p]

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[b]Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

GTtim
12-13-2006, 08:45 PM
Move to a place with friendlier police.


Anyway, have any of you run into anything similar? And, if so, what did you do to remedy the situation?


steve blake
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Tim K.
'64 R2 GT Hawk

GTtim
12-13-2006, 08:45 PM
Move to a place with friendlier police.


Anyway, have any of you run into anything similar? And, if so, what did you do to remedy the situation?


steve blake
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http://tinyurl.com/l7oqh
[/quote]

Tim K.
'64 R2 GT Hawk

rockne10
12-13-2006, 08:48 PM
The vehicle was built with a bumper that did not obscure the plate. You've changed the bumper and need to move the plate or, at least, cut away just enough of the indent to satisfy Barney, who may be overly conscientious in the performance of his duty.:(

In Pennsylvania the plate must be lighted and you can be cited if it is obscured by dirt or snow.[V]


quote:Anyway, have any of you run into anything similar? And, if so, what did you do to remedy the situation?
Locate a copy of the statute and do the minimum to satisfy it.

Cadillacs don't leak; Studebakers leak.:D

rockne10
12-13-2006, 08:48 PM
The vehicle was built with a bumper that did not obscure the plate. You've changed the bumper and need to move the plate or, at least, cut away just enough of the indent to satisfy Barney, who may be overly conscientious in the performance of his duty.:(

In Pennsylvania the plate must be lighted and you can be cited if it is obscured by dirt or snow.[V]


quote:Anyway, have any of you run into anything similar? And, if so, what did you do to remedy the situation?
Locate a copy of the statute and do the minimum to satisfy it.

Cadillacs don't leak; Studebakers leak.:D

arkiejazz
12-13-2006, 08:51 PM
I have NOT changed the bumper. That is the factory supplied step bumper as issued with Conestoga equipped Champs. And, by the way, none of my Studebaker trucks leak

steve blake
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arkiejazz
12-13-2006, 08:51 PM
I have NOT changed the bumper. That is the factory supplied step bumper as issued with Conestoga equipped Champs. And, by the way, none of my Studebaker trucks leak

steve blake
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Anne F. Goodman
12-13-2006, 08:52 PM
Well You just gotta Move the Plate. This is this Policeman's pet peeve. There is no way to win with him. He has the power. So you gotta move the plate to the rear bumper.
Plus Really nice Truck. He just wanted a closer look.

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1955 Champion 4Dr.Regal
Gus 1958 Transtar
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Anne F. Goodman
12-13-2006, 08:52 PM
Well You just gotta Move the Plate. This is this Policeman's pet peeve. There is no way to win with him. He has the power. So you gotta move the plate to the rear bumper.
Plus Really nice Truck. He just wanted a closer look.

Mabel 1949 Champion
1957 Silverhawk
1955 Champion 4Dr.Regal
Gus 1958 Transtar
61 Lark VIII
Fresno,Ca
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studeclunker
12-13-2006, 08:58 PM
Rockne, Cadillacs don't leak, my aunt Marge's patootie (and has she got a broad one:DLOL)! I've had three and they all leaked. Not much... but they did.

In just about every state in the union, if you modify the bumper, you must move the plate or make sure the bumper doesn't obscure it. California is the same way. Hey, figure this one out; it's still legal to drive a pickup with the tailgate down. It's impossible to read the license plate with the gate down, but it's still legal. So I drive with mine down. Pthtttttttt! to Barney![}:)]



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Ron Smith

studeclunker
12-13-2006, 08:58 PM
Rockne, Cadillacs don't leak, my aunt Marge's patootie (and has she got a broad one:DLOL)! I've had three and they all leaked. Not much... but they did.

In just about every state in the union, if you modify the bumper, you must move the plate or make sure the bumper doesn't obscure it. California is the same way. Hey, figure this one out; it's still legal to drive a pickup with the tailgate down. It's impossible to read the license plate with the gate down, but it's still legal. So I drive with mine down. Pthtttttttt! to Barney![}:)]



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Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

Roscomacaw
12-13-2006, 09:27 PM
OK Steve. Let's pretend I'm a cop. Now I'm tryin' to track down some scofflaw and I've got the account of one witness - a store-owner who called to say that some fella in a red Studebaker truck didn't pay the sales tax or some such grievous affront to the law and then roared off.
Back out in the parking lot, I close the lid on my box of donuts, shove the box out of the way and slide into the seat of my cruiser.
Which red Stude truck do I stop, I ponder? The store owner only got a partial plate number when the criminal sped off. He wasn't sure if the 3rd digit was an F or an E. The plate was partially obscured by a craftily placed step bumper!

"Hmmmmmmm... that crook did that intentionally to throw us off his trail! I'll just stop every durn'd red Studebaker truck I come across with a semi-obscured tag on it!"

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR......RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.....RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrr....r

"OK buddy - driver's license and registration."

"Hey gumshoe! What the hell you pickin' on ME for??? I ain't been speedin, weavin' or tryin' to get your personal parking spot at Dunkin' Donuts! Why the hell are you pickin' on lil ol' me???":(

"I see. Well, we'll take real good care of your Studebaker while we host you this evening. Would you mind getting out and putting your hands behind your back?":D

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
12-13-2006, 09:27 PM
OK Steve. Let's pretend I'm a cop. Now I'm tryin' to track down some scofflaw and I've got the account of one witness - a store-owner who called to say that some fella in a red Studebaker truck didn't pay the sales tax or some such grievous affront to the law and then roared off.
Back out in the parking lot, I close the lid on my box of donuts, shove the box out of the way and slide into the seat of my cruiser.
Which red Stude truck do I stop, I ponder? The store owner only got a partial plate number when the criminal sped off. He wasn't sure if the 3rd digit was an F or an E. The plate was partially obscured by a craftily placed step bumper!

"Hmmmmmmm... that crook did that intentionally to throw us off his trail! I'll just stop every durn'd red Studebaker truck I come across with a semi-obscured tag on it!"

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR......RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.....RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrr....r

"OK buddy - driver's license and registration."

"Hey gumshoe! What the hell you pickin' on ME for??? I ain't been speedin, weavin' or tryin' to get your personal parking spot at Dunkin' Donuts! Why the hell are you pickin' on lil ol' me???":(

"I see. Well, we'll take real good care of your Studebaker while we host you this evening. Would you mind getting out and putting your hands behind your back?":D

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

arkiejazz
12-13-2006, 09:31 PM
[:0]OMG, Bob!! I'm going to have nightmares now![:0]

steve blake
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arkiejazz
12-13-2006, 09:31 PM
[:0]OMG, Bob!! I'm going to have nightmares now![:0]

steve blake
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Scott
12-13-2006, 09:32 PM
I had to take my license plate frame off my old car that said "My other car is a Studebaker" because a State Patrol officer with nothing better to do said he couldn't see my registration tabs well enough. The frame has been sitting in my garage for 3 years now. :(

Scott
12-13-2006, 09:32 PM
I had to take my license plate frame off my old car that said "My other car is a Studebaker" because a State Patrol officer with nothing better to do said he couldn't see my registration tabs well enough. The frame has been sitting in my garage for 3 years now. :(

Swifster
12-13-2006, 09:38 PM
My understanding is that Texas will also write tickets if the state name is covered on the plate (license plate frame, body work, etc).

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Swifster
12-13-2006, 09:38 PM
My understanding is that Texas will also write tickets if the state name is covered on the plate (license plate frame, body work, etc).

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Tom - Lakeland, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona

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rons50
12-13-2006, 09:47 PM
Tom is right! I believe it was January 2006 that Texas passed a law requiring that "TEXAS" and the license number be fully visible, or you were subject to being ticketed. I had a firend hauling a boat at 4:00AM on a Sunday morning, and was pulled over and given a warning, because his truck tags had too wide a dealer frame. The donut shop must have been closed at that time of day.

Ron

rons50
12-13-2006, 09:47 PM
Tom is right! I believe it was January 2006 that Texas passed a law requiring that "TEXAS" and the license number be fully visible, or you were subject to being ticketed. I had a firend hauling a boat at 4:00AM on a Sunday morning, and was pulled over and given a warning, because his truck tags had too wide a dealer frame. The donut shop must have been closed at that time of day.

Ron

JBOYLE
12-13-2006, 11:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by rons50

Tom is right! I believe it was January 2006 that Texas passed a law requiring that "TEXAS" and the license number be fully visible, or you were subject to being ticketed. time of day.

Ron


I think it was before that, as I left Texas in late 2004 and we covered the story..maybe about increased enforement of an exisiting law rather than a new state law...at the TV station I worked at. A local car dealer said he's have to trash $2000.00 worth of plate frames that covered the bottom center of the plate.

ArtkieJazz, What we have here, is a failure to communicate.
You are obviously a scofflaw, a hooligan, and maybe a hippie. Better turn yourself in now before they make a bed for you at Huntsville!!!:D

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1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

JBOYLE
12-13-2006, 11:49 PM
quote:Originally posted by rons50

Tom is right! I believe it was January 2006 that Texas passed a law requiring that "TEXAS" and the license number be fully visible, or you were subject to being ticketed. time of day.

Ron


I think it was before that, as I left Texas in late 2004 and we covered the story..maybe about increased enforement of an exisiting law rather than a new state law...at the TV station I worked at. A local car dealer said he's have to trash $2000.00 worth of plate frames that covered the bottom center of the plate.

ArtkieJazz, What we have here, is a failure to communicate.
You are obviously a scofflaw, a hooligan, and maybe a hippie. Better turn yourself in now before they make a bed for you at Huntsville!!!:D

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

studeclunker
12-14-2006, 12:45 AM
LMAO:D:D:D:D You folks are great!

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studeclunker
12-14-2006, 12:45 AM
LMAO:D:D:D:D You folks are great!

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Ron Smith

8E45E
12-14-2006, 02:00 AM
[quote]Originally posted by arkiejazz

[b]I have NOT changed the bumper. That is the factory supplied step bumper as issued with Conestoga equipped Champs.

You will just have to move the plate to the spot provided with holes aready drilled on the bumper itself, which is why it was it was put there. Studebaker knew the non-bumper equipped mount would be partially obscured by the step bumper. There was a reason why continental kits had a licence plate mount on them on cars that had them located above the bumper, such as mid to late '50's Ford products.

Craig.

8E45E
12-14-2006, 02:00 AM
[quote]Originally posted by arkiejazz

[b]I have NOT changed the bumper. That is the factory supplied step bumper as issued with Conestoga equipped Champs.

You will just have to move the plate to the spot provided with holes aready drilled on the bumper itself, which is why it was it was put there. Studebaker knew the non-bumper equipped mount would be partially obscured by the step bumper. There was a reason why continental kits had a licence plate mount on them on cars that had them located above the bumper, such as mid to late '50's Ford products.

Craig.

65cruiser
12-14-2006, 06:51 AM
I understand where Steve is coming from regarding the Barney syndrome, as we have those in my area also.

My son was pulled over in his Camaro and ticketed for 4 separate tickets:

1. Insufficient headlights (one was burned out).
2. Driving with burned out headlight
3. Driving with high beams on (he was on a two lane road with no oncoming traffic)
4. License plate not illuminated (two bulbs on the plate, one burned out).

The cop was a dickhead.



quote:Originally posted by arkiejazz

I'd like to know who appointed you judge and jury of this district all of a sudden?

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65cruiser
12-14-2006, 06:51 AM
I understand where Steve is coming from regarding the Barney syndrome, as we have those in my area also.

My son was pulled over in his Camaro and ticketed for 4 separate tickets:

1. Insufficient headlights (one was burned out).
2. Driving with burned out headlight
3. Driving with high beams on (he was on a two lane road with no oncoming traffic)
4. License plate not illuminated (two bulbs on the plate, one burned out).

The cop was a dickhead.



quote:Originally posted by arkiejazz

I'd like to know who appointed you judge and jury of this district all of a sudden?

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52hawk
12-14-2006, 07:29 AM
"feel free to make all the 'roofer' jokes you want" Not a joke,maybe an urban legend?
Did you hear about the guy repairing his own roof,tied a rope to the rear bumper of his Champ,threw it over the peak of the roof,and tied it around his waiste.-'bout the time he starts nailing shingles,his wife takes off in the Champ to get some groceries!

LaSalle,Il
61Hawk

52hawk
12-14-2006, 07:29 AM
"feel free to make all the 'roofer' jokes you want" Not a joke,maybe an urban legend?
Did you hear about the guy repairing his own roof,tied a rope to the rear bumper of his Champ,threw it over the peak of the roof,and tied it around his waiste.-'bout the time he starts nailing shingles,his wife takes off in the Champ to get some groceries!

LaSalle,Il
61Hawk

mbstude
12-14-2006, 08:02 AM
Steve, just curious, how many Studes do you have? ;)

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mbstude
12-14-2006, 08:02 AM
Steve, just curious, how many Studes do you have? ;)

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Hazlehurst, Georgia
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bams50
12-14-2006, 08:03 AM
quote:Originally posted by 65cruiser

My son was pulled over in his Camaro and ticketed for 4 separate tickets:

1. Insufficient headlights (one was burned out).
2. Driving with burned out headlight
3. Driving with high beams on (he was on a two lane road with no oncoming traffic)
4. License plate not illuminated (two bulbs on the plate, one burned out).

The cop was a dickhead.


I had almost the same thing happen to me when I was 17; 4 nitpicky tickets...

In my case I was the "----head" and he wrote me the piddly tickets trying to save me from losing my license from the more serious moving violations he could have written...

Of course, it took me a lot of years (and growing up) to realize what he had done for me...[:I]

I have had fairly lousy encounters with cops when I've needed them several times over the years- hit and run that totaled my parked Lincoln, which just got a shrug of the shoulders; same when I've reported theft or vandalism of my hard-earned stuff; but in fairness I can't see the big problem with just moving the plate; is this really something to get stirred up about? He could have unclenched his buttocks and let it pass; but he didn't, and he does have a point; so I'm hoping you'll just fix it and use that energy in a positive way on a Stude!!;):D

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
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bams50
12-14-2006, 08:03 AM
quote:Originally posted by 65cruiser

My son was pulled over in his Camaro and ticketed for 4 separate tickets:

1. Insufficient headlights (one was burned out).
2. Driving with burned out headlight
3. Driving with high beams on (he was on a two lane road with no oncoming traffic)
4. License plate not illuminated (two bulbs on the plate, one burned out).

The cop was a dickhead.


I had almost the same thing happen to me when I was 17; 4 nitpicky tickets...

In my case I was the "----head" and he wrote me the piddly tickets trying to save me from losing my license from the more serious moving violations he could have written...

Of course, it took me a lot of years (and growing up) to realize what he had done for me...[:I]

I have had fairly lousy encounters with cops when I've needed them several times over the years- hit and run that totaled my parked Lincoln, which just got a shrug of the shoulders; same when I've reported theft or vandalism of my hard-earned stuff; but in fairness I can't see the big problem with just moving the plate; is this really something to get stirred up about? He could have unclenched his buttocks and let it pass; but he didn't, and he does have a point; so I'm hoping you'll just fix it and use that energy in a positive way on a Stude!!;):D

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

JBOYLE
12-14-2006, 08:07 AM
Wonder what prompted the law?
Dealers have been using those cheeesy plate frames for years?


BTW": How important is it for the law enforcement officer to read "Lone Star State"?
Doesn't he know where he is?
Hint: Officer if confused...take a step back and read what's painted on the side of your Crown Vic.:D

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

JBOYLE
12-14-2006, 08:07 AM
Wonder what prompted the law?
Dealers have been using those cheeesy plate frames for years?


BTW": How important is it for the law enforcement officer to read "Lone Star State"?
Doesn't he know where he is?
Hint: Officer if confused...take a step back and read what's painted on the side of your Crown Vic.:D

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

JRoberts
12-14-2006, 08:08 AM
I think there a quite a few instances where a law enforcement officer has done something that wasn't fair or even correct. But geeze that is true in every profession. I know that there were a lot of fellow teachers that I didn't think did what they should have done. But in this case I think Dave is correct. If they ticketed you, or warned you, about something like having only single tail light on a '50 Pickup then there is probably a beef, but not in the case mentioned here. There are holes for that plate to be attached to simply because that bumper covers a plate in the place it is no mounted. That bumper may have been a Studebaker option, but since it covered the orginal location for the plate they designed the optional bumper in a way to correct the problem. To me this is like a factory wing/spoiler that covers the third brake light on the back of a new car. The factory fixes the problem with a third brake light in the wing. Problem solved. Taking out the light in the wing, or covering it up, makes the car illegal because the third brake light is not visible.
Joe Roberts

JRoberts
12-14-2006, 08:08 AM
I think there a quite a few instances where a law enforcement officer has done something that wasn't fair or even correct. But geeze that is true in every profession. I know that there were a lot of fellow teachers that I didn't think did what they should have done. But in this case I think Dave is correct. If they ticketed you, or warned you, about something like having only single tail light on a '50 Pickup then there is probably a beef, but not in the case mentioned here. There are holes for that plate to be attached to simply because that bumper covers a plate in the place it is no mounted. That bumper may have been a Studebaker option, but since it covered the orginal location for the plate they designed the optional bumper in a way to correct the problem. To me this is like a factory wing/spoiler that covers the third brake light on the back of a new car. The factory fixes the problem with a third brake light in the wing. Problem solved. Taking out the light in the wing, or covering it up, makes the car illegal because the third brake light is not visible.
Joe Roberts

8E45E
12-14-2006, 08:12 AM
[quote]Originally posted by JBOYLE

[blue][font=Comic Sans MS]Wonder what prompted the law?
Dealers have been using those cheeesy plate frames for years?


Licence plates are like the cars these days....you can't tell them apart. At one time, you could tell a car was from a different state or province a block away, but since '76 or so, they're nearly all red/white/blue; blue/white/red; white/blue/red; red/blue/white, and so on.....

Craig.

8E45E
12-14-2006, 08:12 AM
[quote]Originally posted by JBOYLE

[blue][font=Comic Sans MS]Wonder what prompted the law?
Dealers have been using those cheeesy plate frames for years?


Licence plates are like the cars these days....you can't tell them apart. At one time, you could tell a car was from a different state or province a block away, but since '76 or so, they're nearly all red/white/blue; blue/white/red; white/blue/red; red/blue/white, and so on.....

Craig.

arkiejazz
12-14-2006, 08:13 AM
Matthew, I have 6 Studebaker trucks and a '62 Lark wagon. And while i'm at it...someone suggested using the holes provided to mount the license plate....Well, the holes you see don't line up for a license plate. There is an actual bracket behind the bumper, and my plate is mounted to that. Guido made a good suggestion though. He suggested that I fabricate a bracket to mount using those holes you see, and then mount my license plate to that. So, that's what I'm going to do.[:o)]

steve blake
http://tinyurl.com/kr3gt
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arkiejazz
12-14-2006, 08:13 AM
Matthew, I have 6 Studebaker trucks and a '62 Lark wagon. And while i'm at it...someone suggested using the holes provided to mount the license plate....Well, the holes you see don't line up for a license plate. There is an actual bracket behind the bumper, and my plate is mounted to that. Guido made a good suggestion though. He suggested that I fabricate a bracket to mount using those holes you see, and then mount my license plate to that. So, that's what I'm going to do.[:o)]

steve blake
http://tinyurl.com/kr3gt
http://tinyurl.com/l7oqh

arkiejazz
12-14-2006, 09:09 AM
Joe, I know it looks like the holes you see are for mounting a license plate, but apparently they are not. They don't match up for the license plate at all. And if you could see close up, you'd see that there is an actual bracket mounted behind that area for the tag. I plan to use Guido's suggestion and fabricate a surface mounted bracket. [:o)]

steve blake
http://tinyurl.com/kr3gt
http://tinyurl.com/l7oqh

arkiejazz
12-14-2006, 09:09 AM
Joe, I know it looks like the holes you see are for mounting a license plate, but apparently they are not. They don't match up for the license plate at all. And if you could see close up, you'd see that there is an actual bracket mounted behind that area for the tag. I plan to use Guido's suggestion and fabricate a surface mounted bracket. [:o)]

steve blake
http://tinyurl.com/kr3gt
http://tinyurl.com/l7oqh

CHAMP
12-14-2006, 10:13 AM
I just found out at our last local car club meeting that here in Maryland they want to outlaw the clear plastic licience plate covers as they seem to mess up the traffic cameras.

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

CHAMP
12-14-2006, 10:13 AM
I just found out at our last local car club meeting that here in Maryland they want to outlaw the clear plastic licience plate covers as they seem to mess up the traffic cameras.

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

65cruiser
12-14-2006, 10:28 AM
Now there's a company that makes a clear spray you can paint your license plate with that's undetectable, but makes it impossible for a camera to get a clear shot of the plate. It scatters the light somehow.


quote:Originally posted by CHAMP

I just found out at our last local car club meeting that here in Maryland they want to outlaw the clear plastic licience plate covers as they seem to mess up the traffic cameras.

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.


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65cruiser
12-14-2006, 10:28 AM
Now there's a company that makes a clear spray you can paint your license plate with that's undetectable, but makes it impossible for a camera to get a clear shot of the plate. It scatters the light somehow.


quote:Originally posted by CHAMP

I just found out at our last local car club meeting that here in Maryland they want to outlaw the clear plastic licience plate covers as they seem to mess up the traffic cameras.

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.


________________________
Mark Anderson
1965 Cruiser
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DilloCrafter
12-14-2006, 10:41 AM
Hey Steve,

My friend, Russell, in Fredericksburg, says you're a crazy man about Champ pickups (he's fixing up one for his son now, I'm sure you know who I'm talking about). Hope I get to meet you sometime.

Anyway, when I brought my truck here to Texas from California, the State Inspection Station told me I needed to have a light for the license plate. I checked, and it is required by law, although a truck as old as mine doesn't need to have rear turn signal indicators! I recently acquired an orginal front license plate mounting bracket from a '55 parts truck. It's deliberately bent downward a bit so that the top of the license plate does not obscure the front parking light that is just beneath the headlight. I wonder if this is going to put the word "Texas" just below the top of the bumper. I hope not, as I like having an original plate bracket (and Texas has front and rear license plates, unfortunately).

Most police are just doing their job by enforcing existing laws, even if some of them can be overzealous about it. Seems like the guy could cut you some slack, since if he sees any of the six Studebaker Champ trucks in your town, he will know you are the one driving it!

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Avacar-hcsdc.gif[/img=left]DilloCrafter

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

DilloCrafter
12-14-2006, 10:41 AM
Hey Steve,

My friend, Russell, in Fredericksburg, says you're a crazy man about Champ pickups (he's fixing up one for his son now, I'm sure you know who I'm talking about). Hope I get to meet you sometime.

Anyway, when I brought my truck here to Texas from California, the State Inspection Station told me I needed to have a light for the license plate. I checked, and it is required by law, although a truck as old as mine doesn't need to have rear turn signal indicators! I recently acquired an orginal front license plate mounting bracket from a '55 parts truck. It's deliberately bent downward a bit so that the top of the license plate does not obscure the front parking light that is just beneath the headlight. I wonder if this is going to put the word "Texas" just below the top of the bumper. I hope not, as I like having an original plate bracket (and Texas has front and rear license plates, unfortunately).

Most police are just doing their job by enforcing existing laws, even if some of them can be overzealous about it. Seems like the guy could cut you some slack, since if he sees any of the six Studebaker Champ trucks in your town, he will know you are the one driving it!

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Avacar-hcsdc.gif[/img=left]DilloCrafter

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

bearsdad
12-14-2006, 11:27 AM
I got pinched by the local sheriff for having one of those license plate brackets that said, "My other car is a Studebaker". He made me take it off where he pulled me over or he was going to write a ticket right there.

1950 Champion, 9G F1

bearsdad
12-14-2006, 11:27 AM
I got pinched by the local sheriff for having one of those license plate brackets that said, "My other car is a Studebaker". He made me take it off where he pulled me over or he was going to write a ticket right there.

1950 Champion, 9G F1

arkiejazz
12-14-2006, 12:05 PM
Yes, Dillo, I know Russell. He's right, I'm crazy about Champs. However, 2 of my trucks are Transtars. I like them too. One of these days I hope I'll be able to find the right '55 Stude pickup. I think I'll be finished gathering them in when that happens. I have a soft spot in my heart for the '55's. It's just odd that I've never been able to find the right one.[:o)]

steve blake
http://tinyurl.com/kr3gt
http://tinyurl.com/l7oqh

arkiejazz
12-14-2006, 12:05 PM
Yes, Dillo, I know Russell. He's right, I'm crazy about Champs. However, 2 of my trucks are Transtars. I like them too. One of these days I hope I'll be able to find the right '55 Stude pickup. I think I'll be finished gathering them in when that happens. I have a soft spot in my heart for the '55's. It's just odd that I've never been able to find the right one.[:o)]

steve blake
http://tinyurl.com/kr3gt
http://tinyurl.com/l7oqh

Skip Lackie
12-14-2006, 03:58 PM
Just for the record, in most states:
1. The license plate(s) must be reasonably clean and legible.
2. The state name and tag number cannot be obscured by a plate frame, electrical tape or anything else.
3. The rear plate must be illuminated at night.

Steve, you may not have been the one that made your truck non-compliant, but that doesn't mean it isn't.

In many states, it is not illegal to cover over the slogan, if there is one. Several people took New York to court over that issue back in 1964, when NY plates carried "World's Fair" as a slogan. The state supreme court ruled they were within their rights to cover that slogan over with black tape (the court didn't rule until well after those plates had been replaced anyway). Where I live in DC, we see plates from all over North America. If you buy a car in a dealership in Maryland, you'll get a plate frame with the dealership name on the bottom, so it won't cover the "Maryland" at the top of that state's plates. Trouble is, many states have their name on the bottom. So if you leave that dealer frame on the car, you may very well get a ticket for obscuring the state name.

Whether that cop was jerking you around or not over a minor infraction, he almost certainly had the right to pull you over for an obscured plate.

Skip Lackie

Skip Lackie
12-14-2006, 03:58 PM
Just for the record, in most states:
1. The license plate(s) must be reasonably clean and legible.
2. The state name and tag number cannot be obscured by a plate frame, electrical tape or anything else.
3. The rear plate must be illuminated at night.

Steve, you may not have been the one that made your truck non-compliant, but that doesn't mean it isn't.

In many states, it is not illegal to cover over the slogan, if there is one. Several people took New York to court over that issue back in 1964, when NY plates carried "World's Fair" as a slogan. The state supreme court ruled they were within their rights to cover that slogan over with black tape (the court didn't rule until well after those plates had been replaced anyway). Where I live in DC, we see plates from all over North America. If you buy a car in a dealership in Maryland, you'll get a plate frame with the dealership name on the bottom, so it won't cover the "Maryland" at the top of that state's plates. Trouble is, many states have their name on the bottom. So if you leave that dealer frame on the car, you may very well get a ticket for obscuring the state name.

Whether that cop was jerking you around or not over a minor infraction, he almost certainly had the right to pull you over for an obscured plate.

Skip Lackie