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barnlark
03-25-2009, 06:48 PM
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Does this price seem to be kind of steep for a pitted hood ornament, or is this another holy grail for you prewar guys?

jclary
03-25-2009, 06:58 PM
Since I don't own one of these wonderful pre-war cars, I don't know about the value of these ornamental radiator caps. Years ago, I was at an event where the owners of a Pierce-Arrow, Packard,'31 Victoria and I all drove our cars together to a restaurant for our evening meal. I noticed that I was the only one at the table without a fancy pre-war radiator emblem sitting next to my plate. They must be quiet valuable or they would have left them on the cars in the parking lot!

John Clary
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barnlark
03-25-2009, 07:03 PM
Hmmm, nothing like coolant on the dinner table. :D

wolfie
03-25-2009, 07:13 PM
I dont know what this ones worth either but I have seen other caps of this era sell quite high at a few onsite auctions over the last several years and I would say if you need it its that unobtainium stuff. An estate auction a year or so ago that had a number of early radiator caps drew a HUGE turnout with loaded pockets.I really dont remember if these were the big draw or not (and there was a lot of other cool stuff there anyway) but do remember all of them sold way higher than I could consider paying for them as pretty dust collectors and think several of them went over $1,000. Steve

barnlark
03-25-2009, 07:14 PM
Makes me wonder what this one at Lancaster was worth. Much better shape.

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Gary1953
03-25-2009, 08:31 PM
A goose ornament was on a black 1935 coupe at the St Louis International. I thought it was very cool then and still do.
I'm sure the devil one at Lancaster would be a couple of thousand.

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Johnnywiffer
03-25-2009, 08:40 PM
Must be this guy's brother. From the SB International.

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bams50
03-25-2009, 08:53 PM
I had a version of this one about 30 years ago:

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I had it on a few different cars; left it on a car I sold for $20 more than it cost. I figured I'd just order a new one, but never did.

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Chris Pile
03-25-2009, 09:20 PM
The devil mascot was an aftermarket item.

Chris Pile
Midway Chapter SDC
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barnlark
03-25-2009, 09:37 PM
That Diablo was an aftermarket item? [:0]... and they're worth a couple thou? I could see them being reproduced from the originals, but worth that much and not NOS, or an original option, very interesting. Guess the Goose is worth it, then. I had never seen one on eBay or anywhere, but never really had a reason to search for one. Is the Goose original/unique to Studebaker cars in 1935? That's why I posted it, just wondered.

rockne10
03-25-2009, 10:03 PM
It's definitely original to Studebaker; don't know if it was only 1935.

Brad Johnson
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barnlark
03-25-2009, 10:11 PM
Thanks Brad. Were those Diablos ever an option?

rockne10
03-25-2009, 10:13 PM
I would acquiesce to Mr. Quinn. I believe he featured radiator ornaments in a past issue of The ASC Review but I'm not sure which issue.

BobPalma
03-26-2009, 06:37 AM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

Thanks Brad. Were those Diablos ever an option?


:) Studebaker Accessory Part #AC-67 is the 1931 option Faust Diablo being discussed, Dave.

A large, beautiful picture of it is the outer rear cover of the June 1995 Turning Wheels. That issue contains Fred Fox' detailed report:

Studebaker Radiator Cap Mascots and Hood Ornaments 1927-1966.

A caption concerning that mascot appears on Page 10. Quote:

Optional in 1931 was the AC-67 "Faust Diablo" (sometimes called "El Diablo") mascot (also shown on our back cover). As far as we know, no example of this radiator cap mascot has survived. This is surprising because in the August 28, 1931 [u]Studebaker Parts & Accessory News</u>, page 4, it is noted that in a two-week sales experiment, over 1,000 AC-67 and AC-68 (shown next) were sold.

When Fred allows that none have survived, I believe he means original ones. It has been reproduced, of course; that's why you see them today.;) It is quite a piece, isn't it? :DBP

barnlark
03-26-2009, 07:47 AM
Yes! Repops are worth 2K, wow?

Gary1953
03-26-2009, 08:29 AM
IMHO an NOS would be worth a couple of thousand. The Diablo was written about in the Antique Studebaker Review several years ago. Would I pay that much? No. I'm sure someone would since we have all seen the crazy prices on eBay lately.

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Roscomacaw
03-26-2009, 12:58 PM
Less than a year ago there was a place here in Visalia that would've repro'd hood ornaments and other such cast metal pieces. I looked into doing a taillight body with them over a decade ago. It was EXPENSIVE. And that didn't include any plating.
Sadly, Everything Metal Imaginable closed it's doors last year and sold all the equipment and fixtures. In the end, they gave away alot of nice, big benches, desks and shelves - some of which I was lucky to score.:(:)

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1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

studehunter
03-26-2009, 03:39 PM
I know this guy very well. He has tons of parts for studebakers and he is just now starting to realize that the parts are not doing anyone any good unless they are being used. I can tell you that I have personaly seen this item and it is in great condition. So, if any one is interested in it or any other stude parts give him a call in York ,SC 803-684-0000 his name is James. Tell him the fire chief told you to give him a call. He is usually there from 9-3 or you can leave a message.

Domenic Manera
1954 Regal Starlight Coupe

barnlark
03-26-2009, 07:51 PM
Hey Domenic! Haven't heard from you in awhile. Is that ornament the real thing? I figured you had to know something about it being the local chief there. He listed it for a 1935 with some age pitting..how's that look? I have some local members interested now.

Chicken Hawk
03-26-2009, 08:54 PM
Anybody need goosed?

Ouch! Don't even talk like that.

barnlark
03-26-2009, 09:14 PM
Ever see one of those, Ted? Has to be pretty rare, especially on the track. :D

studehunter
03-27-2009, 11:16 AM
Barnlark, I can tell you it is the REAL THING, this guy has some of the most unique car parts that I have ever seen. Give him a call he likes to talk as long as he knows that you know someone, and I guess I am the someone you know......GOOD LUCK!!! 803-684-0000

Domenic Manera
1954 Regal Starlight Coupe

kurtruk
03-27-2009, 12:30 PM
Survivor rates are low for this ornament. Not only would they get stolen, but they are fragile. The hoop is usually broken.

KURTRUK
(read it backwards)


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JBOYLE
03-27-2009, 01:33 PM
Okay, I'll ask the question (not having the ASR article to read) and I'm happy to admit that it was long before my time.

What in the world would posess Studebaker to make and sell a devil radiator mascot?
I appreciate that the world was not PC nuts then, but how would a devil mascot play among the rock-steady, God-fearing, church going Studebaker owners of the time?

Love the goose, though. Too bad I don't have a Wills St. Claire.

BTW: I keep a plain radiator cap in a special pouch in my Bearcat for the rare times I feel the need to keep its Stutz-emblemed MotoMeter safe.



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(George Barris replica)

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barnlark
03-27-2009, 03:36 PM
I would imagine for that crowd back then it wouldn't play well, John, same as today. Maybe there is a Faust Diablo story that made it more clear in TW, famous artist, something popular back in the day for the in crowd? Maybe it stemmed from the shipping world's mastheads? You could have anything from low key ornaments to those, or naked ladies as an ornament. Again, to each his own, same as now. The never ending, what is art question.
I didn't get my first TW of my own until 1996. I'll have to look for one of those June 1995 TWs from a vendor, the SDC site, or another SDCer who has one they're willing to give up for those answers. [^]

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