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bams50
03-23-2009, 06:04 PM
This looks like a gorgeous car!:

http://tinyurl.com/cjvcry

It was on eBay previously, at least twice, with an unrealistically high opening bid. After the third time I wrote the seller. Her name is Robin, and she's just interested in selling the car and getting a fair price. I told her it should be worth about $4-5K, give or take. She was a little disappointed, but thanked me for my comments. I don't know what her bottom dollar is, but she did take my advice and started with a low opener and a reserve. But with just over a day to go it's just barely over 2 large Is it the OR location??

Hopefully there are buyers waiting to snipe it to a decent buck at the end; but if you're interested at all in a car like this, take a serious look!

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

[b]"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

StudeRich
03-23-2009, 06:11 PM
I thought we went over this issue Bob...IT'S A '62 4 DOOR! :D

Really, I don't mean any disrespect, this is a beautiful car, looks to be in excellent shape and would be a great driver, or even show/driver. Just not MY favorite style.

I'll bet there is an AFB lurking under that big GM? air cleaner. [:p]

How often do you find a mostly restored, turn-key driver for probably under 8 to $10,000? [^]

I know this one was not sold new at Frank H. Afton Co. Inglewood, CA because it still has it's "Lark" letters over the "Cruiser" nameplate. [:0]

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/studerich/My64Daytona.jpg
StudeRich at Studebakers Northwest -Ferndale,WA

Dick Steinkamp
03-23-2009, 06:15 PM
I actually like 62's. My BEST driving Stude was a '62 4 door...and a Cruiser is icing on the cake.

Limited market, however, BECAUSE it's a 4 door.

It should be worth 4-5k, but in today's economy there are even fewer buyers for a car like this.

It kind of bugs me that it looks like it has tan door panels, gray seats, and green carpet (but that might be the camera).

OreStudeGuy lives in Grants Pass and works in Medford. It's half way in between. I'm sure George would check it out for someone on his way home from work.

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/pics075-1-1.jpg

bams50
03-23-2009, 06:44 PM
Thanks, Rich, but I did see the number of doors! Even still, if it's really had a full resto (admittedly, that can be broadly defined)- WITH A/C- there's no reason it shouldn't be a lot higher- just not the $8500 she had on it last time... interestingly, first time she listed it she had an opener of $6950; no bids, so relisted with the $8500 opener[:0]

As for the interior- I thought that too, but I don't see how one would make all those colors happen, even with fading... so I dismissed it as bad pictures.

If it was a 2-door in that condition, it would probably do $8-9K I think it would top $5K for sure with a Steinkamp listing[8D]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

[b]"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

BobPalma
03-23-2009, 07:01 PM
:) You guys have all hit it one way or another: The economy, the number of doors, lack of pictures to show the quality of restoration (i.e., inside the trunk sides and floor to see if it was ever rusty), lack of undercarriage shots for the same reason, etc., etc; it all adds up.

Too, it is in a corner of the country, so shipping is an issue ($$$) for anyone living mid-continent or points east. :DBP

62SY4
03-23-2009, 07:05 PM
I believe that it has a Flint Taupe interior, thats why it has grey seats and the door panels look brownish. the A pillar garnish moulding looks like taupe and so do the door panels. The carpet probably faded green, look at the bottom of the door panels they look green too. I can say from the cars with rubber mats the bottom 'rubber' section looks green-grey.

Jon Krimm
1962 Lark Sedan
http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg440/62SY4/carstude.jpg
1961 Champ

clonelark
03-23-2009, 08:05 PM
Also says it has a salvage title, that could scare some people.

http://i43.tinypic.com/28utzeg.jpg

showbizkid
03-24-2009, 12:06 PM
That's a nice little ride. Too bad the seller's expectations are out of line with reality. But at least now she'll get an accurate gauge of what the market will bear.


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Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com
www.studebakersandiego.com

studeclunker
03-24-2009, 12:11 PM
This car has been on numerous times. It could be that people are just tired of seeing it. It has a lot going for it, and an owner who needs a dose of reality. Other than all of that, an apparently really nice car.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/december%2006/HPIM0234.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
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Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

S_Ferrell
03-24-2009, 12:30 PM
This is Stuarts lost twin, color and interior are the exact same. Condition is the same.

bams50
03-24-2009, 02:42 PM
Well, it's jumped about $1300 since mentioned here... maybe this thread jump-started it, and bumping it will push it high enough for Robin to let it go!

I'd sure like to see it in good, loving hands[^]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

studegary
03-24-2009, 03:18 PM
It is a nice car for someone to use as a driver (less than $5000).
To me, the negatives are; four door, 1962, color, salvage title, location, aftermarket A/C.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

bams50
03-24-2009, 04:15 PM
Interesting, Gary- to me, the positives are: four door, 1962, color, aftermarket A/C;) There's got to be buyers out there that agree with me, although your list is probably the majority...

We're on the same page on price, though- I think it's "worth" much more than $5K, but the actual market value is maybe $5K at the very top:(


Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Steve T
03-24-2009, 09:01 PM
Oooo that looks like a nice 62...As ever, just as well it's nowhere near me..."lead us not into temptation!"

S.

Swifster
03-24-2009, 11:56 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

Interesting, Gary- to me, the positives are: four door, 1962, color, aftermarket A/C;) There's got to be buyers out there that agree with me, although your list is probably the majority...

We're on the same page on price, though- I think it's "worth" much more than $5K, but the actual market value is maybe $5K at the very top:(


Bob, I noticed that the salvage title wasn't part of your 'positives'. The A/C isn't a problem, but the too many doors doesn't help. A car with a salvage title will never bring the same money as a car with a clear title. You're guessing at the history.

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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

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Orestudeguy
03-25-2009, 12:13 AM
I am aware of this car but not the reason for the salvage title.
I have been very busy so I haven't had the time to get with the owner of the car.
I will try to contact them and get (better pix) and the information about the salvage title.
If someone is interested in it, please contact me and I will try to help with any questions. I can also store it for you if you can't pick it up for awhile.

George
Grants Pass, Oregon
65 Commander 2door
64 Wagonaire's ( 1 Canadian fixed roof disc brake car, the other sliding roof South Bend car.)

63 GT Hawk
51 Champion Starlight Coupe
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh183/orestudeguy/58Commander.jpg

bams50
03-25-2009, 04:33 AM
quote:Originally posted by Swifster


Bob, I noticed that the salvage title wasn't part of your 'positives'. You're guessing at the history.



It wasn't on my 'negatives' list either. Not sure about other states, but on older cars it's no big deal in NY.

About guessing at it's history- it wouldn't be guessing any more than any other 47 year old car! No Carfax on these babies;)

Ended at $4K, reserve not met. Don't know what she wants, but at least the bid doubled since this thread started- and, got it to a rerasonable market value. Wonder if she'll re-list it for a fourth time...

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

showbizkid
03-25-2009, 02:07 PM
Salvage titles don't scare me.

A few years ago I was at our local Ecology when a guy drove in [:0] a '61 Corvair wagon. It was in decent shape and sounded OK. He signed over the title, got paid and left.

As soon as he was out the gates, another guy standing nearby walked up and made a deal to buy the whole car, which he did, and promptly left to get his tow vehicle.


[img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com
www.studebakersandiego.com

silverhawk
03-25-2009, 02:13 PM
No offense to anyone, but why is there so many people who don't paticularly like the '62 larks? To me they are the most astheticly pleasing, exspiecaly the 4 doors. Just out of curiousity of course.

Dylan Wills

'61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon

bams50
03-25-2009, 02:24 PM
Dylan, the 62s are my favorite Larks too. But you and I are among the vast minority. I personally think they're the oddest-looking of them all... And for whatever reason that's precisely why I like 'em. Go figure!

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Dick Steinkamp
03-25-2009, 02:30 PM
quote:Originally posted by silverhawk

No offense to anyone, but why is there so many people who don't paticularly like the '62 larks? To me they are the most astheticly pleasing, exspiecaly the 4 doors. Just out of curiousity of course.



For me, 59-60 noses out the 62's, but just by a hair. I REALLY like the 62's. The simple dash appeals to me more than the fancier 63 and later dash.

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/pics075-1-1.jpg

silverhawk
03-25-2009, 02:39 PM
Liking the '62 is a minority? I like minorities then[:o)] And I totaly agree on the dashes, they are way cooler. The only '62 I am not fond of is the station wagon, not that I don't like them, but like the '61 more, and the dash is pretty much the same.:D

Dylan Wills

'61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon

PackardV8
03-25-2009, 07:27 PM
Guess it is pretty well settled, then - a beige '62 4-dr Cruiser in very good condition is a $4k car. Kibitz all we want, but three times through the auction pretty well demonstrates what those with money to buy it think it is worth.

thnx, jack vines

PackardV8

Dick Steinkamp
03-25-2009, 07:31 PM
quote:Originally posted by PackardV8

Guess it is pretty well settled, then - a beige '62 4-dr Cruiser in very good condition is a $4k car. Kibitz all we want, but three times through the auction pretty well demonstrates what those with money to buy it think it is worth.

thnx, jack vines

PackardV8


I think it could possibly do better with a better ad. If it is rust free, fully restored, as good as it looks...with more and better pictures and a full description along with an explanation of the salvage title, it could do a grand or two more.

With the minimal pictures and description, even $4k is taking more of a chance than I would.

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/pics075-1-1.jpg

bams50
03-25-2009, 07:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


I think it could possibly do better with a better ad. If it is rust free, fully restored, as good as it looks...with more and better pictures and a full description along with an explanation of the salvage title, it could do a grand or two more.



Agreed. To be fair, Jack, this is the first time it was listed in true auction form (small opener, with buyers allowed to bid it up). But I think you're right about the $4K.

EBay now allows you to list your first four car listings free (small fee for reserve); so I'm thinking chances are good we'll see it that fourth time.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Steve T
03-25-2009, 11:01 PM
Hey, I'm in the minority too...:D

I like the '62 best too, for similar reasons to those expressed above. It has a bit more "presence" than the earlier versions because of the longer, and peculiarly-sculpted, aft end; but when you're sitting in a '62, because Mr Stevens and Mr Egbert couldn't afford to change everything in one fell swoop that year, you still feel like you're in something from the late Fifties. And the visibility out all those wraparound windows is magnificent...best in any car I've ever driven. Only thing I'm not totally sold on is the 1970s-Mercedes grille. (No it isn't a Benz, dang it...read the decklid!)

And to think I was actually looking for a '65 Daytona Sport Sedan when Betty the '62 beguiled me...[:X]

S.

Swifster
03-26-2009, 09:58 AM
I will say that having seen the pictures of Dick's '62, and feeling that it was beautifully done, I still like the '64-'66 models best. To me, the front ends on the '61-'63 cars just looks... frumpy. Especially compared to other cars of the time. I know budgets and their tie-in to Mercedes-Benz had a lot to do with the design, but it doesn't change my opinion of them.

As a 4-door sedan, it's not bad. But I like 2-doors and wagons and the newer cars look better by far (JMHO). Studebaker George has a white '63 sedan from Texas sitting at his shop that a co-member of his local club took a flyer on, and it's just sitting. If I had the extra coin (I'm sure he paid somewhere around $1500 for it), I'd try to buy it. I do enough vintage work that I've thought about a sedan or wagon for a 'company car'. Who knows, maybe I'll hit the lottery.

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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

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bams50
03-30-2009, 09:38 PM
As I predicted, it's back again:

http://tinyurl.com/ccyjqo


Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Mark57
03-30-2009, 10:50 PM
It seems like a nice "Lark" to me... I hope it finds a good home this time around. [8)]

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island

The NW Overdrive Tour in Parksville, BC
May 23 & 24, 2009; check it out at -
http://sdcvi.shawwebspace.ca/</h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/IMG_0368a.jpg

jimmijim8
03-31-2009, 03:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by silverhawk

No offense to anyone, but why is there so many people who don't paticularly like the '62 larks? To me they are the most astheticly pleasing, exspiecaly the 4 doors. Just out of curiousity of course.

Dylan Wills

'61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon
Count me in as a 4 dr fan. I like 62's the most. 2 many plusses on that car. jimmijim

jedmu0940
03-31-2009, 06:36 PM
I emailed Robin about the car on probabily the second ebay listing and I believe her Grandfather
pulled out of a scrap yard and it only had minor damage at that time.I also asked why the oil filter is missing and it would appear that the engine is a 63 or 64.I would but it as a driver but
the auction price at the time was to high. Will keep a eye on it again with this listing.
Jack

1955 SPEEDSTER LEMON/LIME
1955 SPEEDSTER RED & WHITE
1964 R2 GT HAWK (SID)
http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n376/jedmuspeedster/dscf3061sized.jpg
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http://s337.photobucket.com/albums/n376/jedmuspeedster/th_5f_12.jpg

jimmijim8
03-31-2009, 09:36 PM
I like the car but am a bit puzzled. Does each of the valve covers have a breather-oil fill cap? I see but one. Is the passenger side valve cover breather-oil fill cap hidden by the compressor or does it not have one? Pure speculation here. I don't think it has a cap. The oil filter and oil fill casting have been removed in order to make room for a larger than factory compressor. 1963-4 drivers side valve cover used for oil access. 1962 engine like the car. What say y'all? jimmijim

StudeRich
03-31-2009, 10:25 PM
Well if they did in fact install a 'late '62, '63, or '64 Engine, then they only had one good "Oil Cap" Valve cover to use, so they used one early '62 Cover with it, and it will work fine. It is not behind the A/C unit, it would be in back.

Yes all full-flow engines in CARS have TWO oil caps, most Trucks only have one, maybe it's a Truck engine. [:0]

It really does not matter, not seeing an oil filter, I would just want to make sure it does in fact, HAVE one!

Mark57
04-01-2009, 01:03 AM
Now that would be a bonus - a '62 with a full flow V8. [^]:)

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island

The NW Overdrive Tour in Parksville, BC
May 23 & 24, 2009; check it out at -
http://sdcvi.shawwebspace.ca/</h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/IMG_0368a.jpg

DanTheFan
04-01-2009, 08:41 AM
Does anyone know what that red thing is under the dash on the left?

259man
04-01-2009, 11:46 AM
My '62 Cruiser has a full-flow oil filter, but it has only the oil filler pipe in front - none on the valve covers.

I'm pretty sure it came from the factory that way. It was completed in June of '62, so it might be a transition thing.

Tom
1960 Lark VIII
1962 Lark Cruiser

jimmijim8
04-01-2009, 11:48 AM
Good to know. thanks jimmijim

Mark57
04-01-2009, 12:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by 259man

My '62 Cruiser has a full-flow oil filter, but it has only the oil filler pipe in front - none on the valve covers.

I'm pretty sure it came from the factory that way. It was completed in June of '62, so it might be a transition thing.

Tom


As mentioned before, here is a photo of a very early '63 Champ showing the same thing - the filler pipe up front and it is a full flow 289 block.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/IMG_0104.jpg

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island

The NW Overdrive Tour in Parksville, BC
May 23 & 24, 2009; check it out at -
http://sdcvi.shawwebspace.ca/</h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/IMG_0368a.jpg

Roscomacaw
04-01-2009, 01:10 PM
Not that I'm wanting to own this car - I don't. But like Dan, I was curious as to what the little add-on panel is to the left of the steering column. The seller wrote to say that it's an emergency flasher setup. With a red indicator lite and the white knob to turn it on and off.[^]

He also told me the reserve is $7500.00! I think they need to find a nice garage to keep this family hierloom in!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

starliner62
04-01-2009, 04:13 PM
I like all of them!!:D
quote:Originally posted by jimmijim8


quote:Originally posted by silverhawk

No offense to anyone, but why is there so many people who don't paticularly like the '62 larks? To me they are the most astheticly pleasing, exspiecaly the 4 doors. Just out of curiousity of course.

Dylan Wills

'61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon
Count me in as a 4 dr fan. I like 62's the most. 2 many plusses on that car. jimmijim


Jamie McLeod
Hope Mills, NC

jimmijim8
04-01-2009, 04:21 PM
I'd like to own that car but a bit out of reach for me. A nice 63 Cruiser from Mobile Ala recently sold on e-bay for 3500. I would have paid more had I not forgot about it on final day of auction. It was worth more but I don't set the prices. I don't think people are willing to expunge themselves of nice 4 dr mid 50's thru 66 Studes for as cheap as a lot of us would like to own them for. Ain't gonna happen. The one that recently changed hands for 3500. is not going to be the normal selling price. People that have nice 4 drs. are seemingly happy with them as they are not always on the market as opposed to Hawks and Avantis. jimmijim

Roscomacaw
04-01-2009, 04:29 PM
Jim, were you amongst we that thought that pristine 58 President 4dr should have commanded more than the roughly $8K it got on ebay?

It was a 4dr alright, but there's absolutely NO WAY you could have found a solid core car and built it as nice as that one for 8 or even 12K.[^]

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

jimmijim8
04-01-2009, 04:40 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

Well if they did in fact install a 'late '62, '63, or '64 Engine, then they only had one good "Oil Cap" Valve cover to use, so they used one early '62 Cover with it, and it will work fine. It is not behind the A/C unit, it would be in back.

Yes all full-flow engines in CARS have TWO oil caps, most Trucks only have one, maybe it's a Truck engine. [:0]

It really does not matter, not seeing an oil filter, I would just want to make sure it does in fact, HAVE one!
I'm thinking the oil filter and fill tube have been eliminated because by using that{I think}bigger than a York compressor. Possibly a 63 valve cover has been added for oil fill. Some say that with frequent oil changes a filter may be overkill. hmmh! Engine number please? Aw hell. I don't have 7500. for it even if it was a factory x-perimental prototype R model.
Maybe it is a full flow block. jimmijim

jimmijim8
04-01-2009, 06:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Jim, were you amongst we that thought that pristine 58 President 4dr should have commanded more than the roughly $8K it got on ebay?

It was a 4dr alright, but there's absolutely NO WAY you could have found a solid core car and built it as nice as that one for 8 or even 12K.[^]Biggs, I don't remember the car but agree with what you say. Some of these 4 drs. should be worth as much or more than their 2 dr. counterparts. Young people today are not subjected to the not cool 4dr factor as us older folk were in the day. Either preference still succumbs to the fact that nobody is going to take their pride and joy to the big Studebaker meet in the sky so number of doors is not going to guarantee your admittance. Like you said Biggs,1 solid core core builder plus 8 to 12 G's probably will not render a car of the same quality. Like I have always said. You can buy a better specimine of a Stude for less than you can build one. Some folks consider the previous statement to be sacrilegious. Their reasoning is that some people can only attain their dream Studebaker by investing small increments at a time. Actuall some of these folks have several cars for sale just waiting for an arsse to fit in that seat. Stude people are no different from any other make bunch. I have met a lot of nice individuals over the years. Theres different ways of acquiring a persons dream car but when it all settles out, informed buying is more economical when it comes to Studes. Fact is, there are more nice Studes out there for sale, reasonably priced, than there are potential owners. Doesn't help when people are constantly degrading 4 drs. I also see nothing wrong with resurrecting a P.O.S. as a challenge to oneself. To each his own. I gotta go track down that 58 4 dr. Later jimmijim

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door