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iwuvcars
03-21-2009, 04:16 PM
I just got a 1958 2 dr hard top packard with 20k orig miles that was from the orig owner and sat in a garage for 40 years with signed document from daughter! It has the last inspection sticker on it still from 1969 and I have the orig bill of sale and the car has not one rust spot on it and orig paint and probably orig tires. Not sure if the tires were replaced once or not with the exact same ones as the spare is identical but worn. Car has a v8 289 and a 4 barrel carb. Options are p/s, p/b, auto, window washer, twin traction differential (posi), undercoat, white wall tires, heat and defrost, radio, rear seat speaker, wheel discs! The paint is worn but color is still presentable, just aged and engine is locked up. I am looking for info on this car as I can't find one 1958 Packard 58L-J8 car anywhere aside from a wagon on ebay. I am curious about approx. value of one of these and how many were made? Here are some pics. Can't seem to get pics on here! Is there a trick I am missing? Thanks

StudeDave57
03-21-2009, 04:23 PM
Welcome to the BIG FIN CLUB!!! Sounds like a nice find- I can't wait to see the pictures. There were 675 of those built. There are more then a few here who have one- they just like to stay low on the radar...


StudeDave '57 [8D]
San Diego, Ca.
(but not for long...)

'54 Commander Regal 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview 'Betsy' (she's a 2dr wagon)
'57 Commander DeLuxe 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion Custom 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

iwuvcars
03-21-2009, 04:26 PM
I have about 30 pics because I am probably sending this car to my Dad after I free the motor up and clean it up a bit! He loves these cars! Anyway, so I have all these pics to show him but can't get them on here! [}:)]

StudeRich
03-21-2009, 04:42 PM
All you do is load them on a PhotoBucket site (if you you don't have one get one free) and then follow instructions at the Top of the Forum page, it's easy! [^]

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/studerich/My64Daytona.jpg
StudeRich at Studebakers Northwest -Ferndale,WA

BShaw
03-21-2009, 04:51 PM
What Rich said. There's even a video tutorial that shows you how. Can't make it any easier than that. Also if you have 30 pics I'd suggest you upload them all to a Photobucket album then choose just a few to show here and post the link to your album so folks can go there and see all the rest.

BShaw, Webmaster

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Woodbury, Minnesota

StudeDave57
03-21-2009, 05:05 PM
Here are just a few of what was sent to me...

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w143/StudeDave/Brians%2058%20Packard/MVC-040S.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w143/StudeDave/Brians%2058%20Packard/MVC-039S.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w143/StudeDave/Brians%2058%20Packard/MVC-042S.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w143/StudeDave/Brians%2058%20Packard/MVC-063S.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w143/StudeDave/Brians%2058%20Packard/MVC-052S.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w143/StudeDave/Brians%2058%20Packard/MVC-045S.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w143/StudeDave/Brians%2058%20Packard/MVC-064S.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w143/StudeDave/Brians%2058%20Packard/MVC-049S.jpg

A 'barnfind' like no other!!! [:0]


StudeDave '57 [8D]

barnlark
03-21-2009, 05:15 PM
Sweet!

Gary1953
03-21-2009, 05:29 PM
Very nice.


http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/gsandes50/Picture008.jpg
Gary Sanders
Nixa, MO
President Toy Studebaker Collectors Club. Have an interest in Toy Studebakers? Contact me for details.

Roscomacaw
03-21-2009, 05:30 PM
Man! That's a SWEET recluse there! Look at how nice that dash pad is!!![:p]

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

StudeDave57
03-21-2009, 05:41 PM
Documentation, anyone [?] [?] [?] It looks to me like maybe the car changed hands (between dealers) before it was sold on 15 April, 1958~

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w143/StudeDave/Brians%2058%20Packard/MVC-056S.jpg
From the window sticker~
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w143/StudeDave/Brians%2058%20Packard/MVC-058S.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w143/StudeDave/Brians%2058%20Packard/MVC-065S.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w143/StudeDave/Brians%2058%20Packard/MVC-051S.jpg


StudeDave '57 [8D]

barnlark
03-21-2009, 05:51 PM
Nice job with the pix posting, Dave. What a terrific find. Looks like the rear bumper took a hit at one time and that's about it. Someone kept this safe for quite a while. [^]

Anne F. Goodman
03-21-2009, 05:52 PM
Wow What a great Find :D:D:D:D:D

Mabel 1949 Champion
1957 Silverhawk
1955 Champion 4Dr.Regal
Gus 1958 Transtar
1955 President State
1957 Golden Hawk
Fresno,Ca
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/Mabel.jpg?t=1165475035http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/xmasannecopy.jpghttp://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/GusMater.jpghttp://s122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/th_DSCN17232008-01-01.jpg

rusty65
03-21-2009, 05:56 PM
TRUE DAT!!!:D
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

Sweet!

StudeDave57
03-21-2009, 06:00 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

Nice job with the pix posting, Dave. What a terrific find. Looks like the rear bumper took a hit at one time and that's about it. Someone kept this safe for quite a while. [^]
Thanks Dave. I only had 30 to choose from~ No worries at all!!!
I know someone out there is wondering...
Brian thinks the body number is 255.


StudeDave '57 [8D]

iwuvcars
03-21-2009, 06:04 PM
Pretty cool right? Thanks a lot Dave for posting the pics! I am lost when it comes to out of the norm things on the computer! Other forums I have belonged to you just hit attach and it's done! Anyway, the bumper is a little bent from a fender bender at one time but the dash is absolutely like new! Pretty neat! Thanks for the compliments too but does anyone have an approx. value. Just curious! Thanks for all the replies and compliments again! :D

BobGlasscock
03-21-2009, 06:05 PM
What?! The spare tire is worn????? That car has had a flat! Might need to check the alignment if I'm seeing the wear on that tire correctly. But, you can be sure that this beauty has had a flat. Maybe while it was parked in the barn forever.

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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silverhawk
03-21-2009, 06:42 PM
Awesome find man! That is what I call a car persons dream.

Dylan Wills

'61 lark deluxe 4 door wagon

N8N
03-21-2009, 06:55 PM
great find. be very careful with that original trunk mat, they are unobtanium.

nate

--
55 Commander Starlight
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acolds
03-21-2009, 07:45 PM
I think I'm jealous I can remember when my dad and uncle took me the 58 car show in Pittsburgh in 1958 and seeing and thinking the 58 Packard was the car for me being 14 at the time it was only a dream. Looks like it will only minimum work to fix up even dash pad looks good .

studeclunker
03-21-2009, 08:04 PM
Here we are, another car's upholstry preserved by those factory dimple-plastic seat covers! Wonderful things, those. Another amazing thing is that the windlace even looks good![:0][:X]

What a beautiful old girl.[:X]

Brian, try spraying WD-40 in the sparkplug holes. Or even Liquid Wrench, if you can get it arisol. Just a bit in each and let it sit for a few days. Then try again to turn her over. One thing you might want to do is put a 1 1/4 socket on the Crankshaft screw. Put a length of pipe on the wrench handle to give yourself a bit more leverage. Then give her a few bumps to see if the engine can be persuaded to move. If anything will break 'er loose that will. Don't go wild on it. Just give her a few good solid bumps.

If you're able to get the old girl to roll over there, then don't forget to replace the engine mounts. I use Rover Petrol type front mounts. They're only available from Atlantic British or other Rover dealers (Part No: NRC2054). I'd get Metric fittings instead of British Fine Standard. Nevertheless, they'll be strong enough for the dragon under that ol' Packard's hood.;)[}:)]

Congrats on a great old bird! Wish I was lucky as you!

Bob, looks like we have yet another example of the super removed from a Packard. This one appears to have just a stock 4bbl. Or should I say, not so stock?;)

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/december%2006/HPIM0234.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
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Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

Dick Steinkamp
03-21-2009, 08:14 PM
Old Cars Price Guide lists a #3 (very good) at $8550. This car doesn't meet the #3 criteria since it's not a running/driving car with shiny paint, but I'd give it that if the mileage is correct.

On pure condition, it is probably somewhere between a 4 (good) and a 5 (restorable). A 4 is $3800 and a 5 is $2280.

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww63/dstnkmp/pics075-1-1.jpg

bams50
03-21-2009, 08:19 PM
quote:Originally posted by studeclunker

looks like we have yet another example of the super removed from a Packard. This one appears to have just a stock 4bbl. Or should I say, not so stock?;)


It's a 58, Ron. No S/C on those.

Yet another great find! Congrats[8D]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

StudeDave57
03-21-2009, 08:19 PM
quote:Originally posted by studeclunker

Bob, looks like we have yet another example of the super removed from a Packard. This one appears to have just a stock 4bbl. Or should I say, not so stock? ;) Ron Smith
Uhhh, you are joking, right Ron [?] [?] [?] This car is stock, and untouched.
A '58 Packard isn't supposed to have a blower on it~
unless it's a Packard Hawk!!!

How many times do we have to cover this [?] [?] [?]


StudeDave '57 [8D]
A man who owns one
and knows better...

Warren Webb
03-21-2009, 08:39 PM
Its wonderful to see such a low mileage example surface after all these years. Take lots of pictures, dont worry about something showing 2 or 3 times. Its examples like yours that we are able to document just how things were supposed to be in 1958. Thanks so much for sharing & take your time getting the engine free. One thing to keep in mind too, that there is a chance of one of the valves being stuck too & that would cause a bent push rod even though the engine turned free. To be safe you might remove the valve covers & see if you can work the valves by themselves one by one first. I'm sure someone that has done this before will post what they did. THANKS AGAIN!!!!!

60 Lark convertible
61 Champ
62 Daytona convertible
63 G.T. R-2,4 speed
63 Avanti (2)
66 Daytona Sport Sedan

rockne10
03-21-2009, 08:46 PM
A gentler way of getting the engine to turn would be to add some Marvel Mystery Oil to each cylinder. Let it soak for a week to a month. Then, remove the starter and use a pry-bar to move the flywheel one tooth at a time. This may be extreme and unnecessary overkill but it is certainly gentle.

Any car that's been sitting this long should have all systems addressed before atempting to put on the road, [u]ESPECIALLY</u> the brakes.

Great advice in this article from the SDC Web Site Technical page:
http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/tech_things2do.asp

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/Rockne/th_Rocknegauges.jpg'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight

BobPalma
03-21-2009, 09:08 PM
:) Wow! What a find indeed. I just this evening read the Popular Hot Rodding report on the barn-find 1963 Super Duty Pontiac Tempest that had the e-bay gang all aflutter late last year...and I must say, this Packard is far more interesting, IMHO! :DBP

StudeDave57
03-21-2009, 09:16 PM
FYI everybody~
I've addressed the 'how to get an old car back on the road' issues with Brian already.
He knows his way around the garage, and he is NOT a newbie in any way...


StudeDave '57 [8D]
I didn't know either...

StudeRich
03-21-2009, 09:26 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeDave57

From the window sticker~

That would be the Sales Invoice Dave. Remember the window stickers started in '59. Whatever, how many cars still have all that good info from April 1958? [^]

Gray on Gray huh, that car is crying out for the '58 Packard Shadowtone Red with a Jewel Beige Roof, so it can be identified as a true '58![^]

Just radical enough to be noticed, but not as wild as a Pink, White and Black '58 Dodge! :(

rockne10
03-21-2009, 09:45 PM
With regard to the original woven trunk mat, I notice the Packard has it extended behind the back seat and up the inner fender sides. I don't believe this was offered on Studebaker models. I would guess this is more precious that unobtanium.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w143/StudeDave/Brians%2058%20Packard/MVC-063S.jpg

showbizkid
03-21-2009, 09:53 PM
My favorite. Car. Ever.

Seriously, I love these things. Congrats on the find, and treat her like a princess!


[img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
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www.studebakersandiego.com

Dads Baby
03-21-2009, 11:01 PM
Brian,
What a nice car! Congratulations! I would like to know if the "hood scoop" is the same as the one used on the Packard Hawk.

Carey
Packard Hawkhttp://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/myredyota/misc/146.gif?t=1221925054
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/myredyota/misc/DSCN0149.jpg?t=1195791215 http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/myredyota/misc/Clublogo2.jpg?t=1208147476http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/myredyota/misc/DSC_0046.jpg?t=1215313071

Dads Baby
03-21-2009, 11:10 PM
Without seeing them side by side, I didn't know. Thanks!

Carey
Packard Hawkhttp://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/myredyota/misc/146.gif?t=1221925054
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/myredyota/misc/DSCN0149.jpg?t=1195791215 http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/myredyota/misc/Clublogo2.jpg?t=1208147476http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/myredyota/misc/DSC_0046.jpg?t=1215313071

StudeDave57
03-21-2009, 11:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dads Baby

Brian, I would like to know if the "hood scoop" is the same as the one used on the Packard Hawk.Carey http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/myredyota/misc/146.gif?t=1221925054
NOPE!!! (not even close) The Hawk's is taller, the sedan's is wider.
The Hawk's is there to clear the supercharger. :D [:0] [:p]
The sedan's is there to clear the radiator cap... [:0] [B)] :(

StudeDave '57 [8D]

Dads Baby
03-21-2009, 11:17 PM
Now that is some good trivia!

Carey
Packard Hawkhttp://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/myredyota/misc/146.gif?t=1221925054
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/myredyota/misc/DSCN0149.jpg?t=1195791215 http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/myredyota/misc/Clublogo2.jpg?t=1208147476http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/myredyota/misc/DSC_0046.jpg?t=1215313071

StudeMichael
03-21-2009, 11:19 PM
What are the chances of a car like this one firing up and running with reliability? I would be inclined to tear the engine down and put new bearings in it if nothing else.

1957 Packard Clipper
1957 President Broadmoor
1963 Daytona Convertible
1963 R2 Daytona
1963 R2 GT Hawk
1963 R1 Wagonaire
1963 R4 Avanti
1964 Champ
1966 Cruiser

StudeDave57
03-21-2009, 11:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dads Baby

Now that is some good trivia! Carey http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/myredyota/misc/146.gif?t=1221925054
Just tryin' to help, I am!!! :D [}:)] ;)

StudeDave '57 [8D]

iwuvcars
03-22-2009, 04:42 AM
I am going to try and remember all the ?'s and answer them. The hood scoop Dave answered...'hood scoop is there to clear the radiator cap' that was pretty funny! :D The trunk mat thing, it looks absolutely original and remember this is pretty much a 4 month car, you can't even call it a 1 year car! I understand that it is pretty much the same as another model previous and after but I can tell you one thing, it appears to have 'NEVER' been touched by anyone! As far as the starting it up thingy...I have really been getting a bit leary about even getting involved in this project. I was offered $7500 and think I may take it! Dave pointed out a few things that I never really put a lot of thought into but how true it is! Everything has to be dryed up! Like gaskets, seals etc etc. Once it does get running, the repairs will just never end in my opinion and I am not a restoring type of guy. Dave has every picture that I took for any comparisons you may have and I will come to the forum to check the responses and answer any questions I can to help, as you guys have been great! Special thanks to Dave though! ;)
Just to add...I know with cars like these you may have a person or two that may think that something was changed, or 'this' isn't correct or something like that! I will only say that you never know what happened in the 10 years that it was used and 20k miles that were put on the car but I can say with 99% certainty that absolutely nothing has ever been changed or touched. The only possibilty would be that the tires may have been changed as it is difficult to determine but it's no big deal as they would be exact replacements from somewhere around 1963 or so. I am inclined to believe that they are the originals!
One more statement to clear up, one person wrote something about 'if the miles are indeed correct' I can clear that up pretty easily to erase any doubt in any minds. I am knowledgable enough on old cars in general but 5 other knowledgable people (more knowledgable than me), including the guy who made me the offer, say that it is no doubt the correct miles. I understand that I am only a guy typing on a forum but trust me, it is absolutely 20k miles! Thanks again all, I'll be back either way if I sell it or keep it!

58PackardWagon
03-22-2009, 06:38 AM
The car looks very original ! That dash is very nice, even in storage the vinyl part usually bends. It was nice to see anothe Packard with the oil bath. Usually they came with the dry element. The only thing I can see on the car that is not original is the way the tailpipes come out. Out of the factory they came out of each corner on the rear bumper. That would be an easy fix. The paint option is a great combo! Being a rust free 58 (especially 2 door hardtop) it shouldn't go for less than $8500 I hope you hang on to it and if money is the issue, just take your time on it and set it to a ten year plan. You will only come by a barn find like this once in a lifetime. Here we are all dreaming about an opportunity like this and your living it. Best of luck.

57 & 58 Packards
62 Daytona
63 R2 Lark

56H-Y6
03-22-2009, 08:14 AM
Hi

Lucky fellow! My congratulations as well on landing about the rarest, most desirable '58 model of all.

In your process of reviving this gem, please in your efforts to make it's condition presentable, keep as much of the original paint, upholstery and trim factory original. This car is a true survivor and document of how those cars were built. The AACA has a judging class for original cars: HPOF, Historic Preservation of Original Features. They have guidelines on original cars you can check.

As wonderful restored cars look, they show us the current standard for finishes, not what the factory actually built.

Remember, they're only original once!

Steve

N8N
03-22-2009, 08:19 AM
quote:Originally posted by StudeMichael

What are the chances of a car like this one firing up and running with reliability? I would be inclined to tear the engine down and put new bearings in it if nothing else.



If it ain't stuck, halfway decent. My '62 was stored for many years and ran fine after I got it going. Now would it have run better had I rebuilt it? Possibly. Was it worth it to me to go to all that trouble and time? Not really.

Doesn't hurt anything to try it, anyway. Worst case you waste a little time and oil, best case you get to enjoy the car sooner.

nate

--
55 Commander Starlight
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clonelark
03-22-2009, 11:21 AM
What a wonderful find, Hope it goes to a real honest to goodness person who will treat it right.

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Pinchbolt
03-22-2009, 11:45 AM
It is amazing every time one of these rare cars turn up. From what I've read, the Studebaker-built Packards were considered to be somehow inferior, but what do automotive journalists know? I figure these downsized 57-58 Packards are more suited to todays roads, with their small cid engine, relatively light weight, and very low profile compared to most other tailfin cars. It just shows that the owners of these last Packards knew they had something special, and held onto them. As for value, I think part of their appeal is that it is the result of a historic merger between two significant auto brands. Only thing is, many people are kind of jaded by this, these days. Plymouths and Oldsmobiles, etc., are gone, and no one seems to care. [:0]That said, good luck with your new find. It deserves to be in good hands. :)

redavanti
03-22-2009, 11:57 AM
Great find. These are always great to see.

Vincent Habel

studegary
03-22-2009, 05:22 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeDave57

[b][font=Comic Sans MS][size=4]Documentation, anyone [?] [?] [?] It looks to me like maybe the car changed hands (between dealers) before it was sold on 15 April, 1958~


StudeDave

I do not think that it was a dealer swap. It looks to me like the dealership changed names after the invoices were printed up and the new dealer used up the invoices by stamping the new name on them. Note that the street and city address are the same for both.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

studegary
03-22-2009, 05:28 PM
Nice find!

I owned a red and white '58 Packard hardtop for more than nine years. Here in the southwest corner of Dutchess County, NY there were two red and white hardtops for many years. Many had the optional all vinyl interior and the other one had the standard cloth interior. The other one was originally owned by the mother of the brothers that owned one of the local Studebaker dealerships. The last that I knew, that car was still stored in a garage in this area. I sold mine to a dealer in Utica, NY. I remember seeing several '58 hardtops on Long Island, where your car came from. Several is something when only 675 were built.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

StudeDave57
03-22-2009, 05:32 PM
quote:Originally posted by studegary
I do not think that it was a dealer swap. It looks to me like the dealership changed names after the invoices were printed up and the new dealer used up the invoices by stamping the new name on them. Note that the street and city address are the same for both. Gary L.
Good call. I got caught up in the different phone number, and other changes they made.
I wonder why they would change their phone number~ seems like if they kept it they'd get more calls, right? Any ideas?


StudeDave '57 [8D]

BobPalma
03-22-2009, 06:53 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeDave57


quote:Originally posted by studegary
I do not think that it was a dealer swap. It looks to me like the dealership changed names after the invoices were printed up and the new dealer used up the invoices by stamping the new name on them. Note that the street and city address are the same for both. Gary L.
Good call. I got caught up in the different phone number, and other changes they made.
I wonder why they would change their phone number~ seems like if they kept it they'd get more calls, right? Any ideas?


StudeDave '57 [8D]


:) Dave: That's exactly what my Father and Uncle Milton did when they bought the Packard dealership in Paris IL in 1953. They were on a shoestring, so they just had a rubber stamp made up and overstamped the existing E.I.Motor Sales invoices with Palma Motors, just like Gary said. :DBP

StudeDave57
03-22-2009, 07:07 PM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma
Dave: That's exactly what my Father and Uncle Milton did when they bought the Packard dealership in Paris IL in 1953. They were on a shoestring, so they just had a rubber stamp made up and overstamped the existing E.I.Motor Sales invoices with Palma Motors, just like Gary said. :D BP
I got that part, but why get a new phone number for the new dealer?
I understand that being on the same lot you'd have the same foot traffic, but would you not also want the phone to ring? I would think so, but maybe I'm missing something?
No worries...

StudeDave '57 [8D]

BobPalma
03-22-2009, 07:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeDave57


quote:Originally posted by BobPalma
Dave: That's exactly what my Father and Uncle Milton did when they bought the Packard dealership in Paris IL in 1953. They were on a shoestring, so they just had a rubber stamp made up and overstamped the existing E.I.Motor Sales invoices with Palma Motors, just like Gary said. :D BP
I got that part, but why get a new phone number for the new dealer?
I understand that being on the same lot you'd have the same foot traffic, but would you not also want the phone to ring? I would think so, but maybe I'm missing something?
No worries...

StudeDave '57 [8D]


:) 'Hard telling, Dave. Maybe the previous guy hadn't paid the phone bill![:0];) :DBP

woodysrods
03-22-2009, 07:20 PM
On the how to get the engine loose? With the info already posted you should have no problem getting your engine to roll over. As for the products to use? WD 40 is not a penatrating oil, it is a metal preservative....works like sh*&! Liquid wrench is a penatrating oil but only works about 1/10th as well as a product called "Moovit" this stuff is magic! once youy try it on rusty or plain old stuck parts..You will throw everything else in your shop away. And no I am not a sales person for Moovit. My favorite approach to a stuck engine is a little diesel down the spark plug holes for a week and then use the wrech method on the lower pully nut.
Good Luck Car looks great!!
PS As a last resort ...Brake fluid is supposed to work too, but I have never had one that stuck.

raoul5788
03-22-2009, 07:32 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Man! That's a SWEET recluse there! Look at how nice that dash pad is!!![:p]

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door




Yeah, huh! Enough to make me sick (jealous)!


Chip
'63 Cruiser daily driver
'57 Packard wagon almost on the road!

ROADRACELARK
03-22-2009, 08:11 PM
And oh by the way, don't forget to flatten out the lock plate on one of the flats of the front crankshaft bolt, or you'll never get that inch-&-a quarter socket on it.[B)] It'll take a light, and mabe a small mirror, and some contortionistic moves on your part to see it, but it's there.;) Use a hammer and a small sharp chisel to initally get it away from the bolt head, then a small drift to get it completely flat. Good luck on a potential gem.:) (I know, this should be in the Technical Topics...my bad[B)])

Dan Miller
Atlanta, GA

[img=left]http://static.flickr.com/57/228744729_7aff5f0118_m.jpg[/img=left]
Road Racers turn left AND right.

barnlark
03-22-2009, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by Pinchbolt
From what I've read, the Studebaker-built Packards were considered to be somehow inferior, but what do automotive journalists know?

They probably knew every Packard owner up to the acquisition. ;) :D
I'd love to drive in this one.


Brian, I had an inkling that you didn't want to get into this one and it would be up for sale soon from your initial post. I'm sure it will be brought to life by the new owner. Tell them to keep in touch here, we'd love to see the progress. [^]

mnmfive
03-22-2009, 09:30 PM
Man oh Man, would I like to been the one to have found that car! I'm always looking. That indeed is the most rare of finds! Does your dad collect Studebakers or Packards? Does he live in the NY area? I live in NJ and have the sister car to yours the Studebaker President 2 door hard top. Good luck with it.

Jim Rostron

candbstudebakers
03-22-2009, 10:59 PM
I just sold my 57 Packard Clipper and it had the same trunk mat set up as this one, also is the ash tray on the dash something someone added? of stock on the 58's my 57 didn't have it but used the same dash, these thing just grow on you as the years go by....Bob Peteson

BobPalma
03-23-2009, 06:16 AM
:) Good grief; I just noticed that it looks like the car has its original spring hose clamps(!) on the upper radiator hose...that's a good verification of low miles, to be sure, as often as they get tossed for screw clamps along the way. Boy, what a find indeed. :DBP

StudeDave57
03-23-2009, 01:27 PM
I got an email from Brian this morning- he sold the car!!!

I asked him to PLEASE tell the owner what he learned here,
and to inform the new owner of this site.

Someone scored, yes they did!!!


StudeDave '57 [8D]

iwuvcars
03-23-2009, 04:04 PM
Again, I will try and answer the questions I remembered. The hose clamps are original. The guy who purchased the car is a dealer of a sort and will get it running and clean it up but keep it all original. He will then offer it for sale or it is for sale right now. There is no registration so that was another reason to just sell it to him. The issues just kept adding up and this was easiest and best thing to do for me. If it had a registration I would have cleaned it up and worked on the engine but it was just too much in my opinion. I don't know if there was any other questions but I am trying to get the production number of the car exactly as I think it was 255.

289stude
03-23-2009, 04:18 PM
I don't know if there are too many cars i like better than that 58 model Packard HT.


Way to go I love it I think your dad will to if not pass it my way[}:)]




John

53' 2R5 R1 Powershift TT Under Construction

57' Transtar 304 NP540 4:09 TT Under Construction (in Picture)

58' 3E6D Stock Sale Pending

61' 6E7 122 Factory Auto

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p99/289stude/transtar3-1-2.jpg

alphues
04-02-2009, 01:25 AM
to answer Bob Peteson's question about the ash tray on the dash of the 58 packard hardtop. In 57 packard had the ash trays in the front door panels. In 58 they changed the door panel design. Hence the addition of the ash tray in the dash

Alphues
58 packard H.T.