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avantilover
12-13-2006, 12:50 AM
I received my December TW today and was appalled to discover that only 24 of the 66 pages were content, the rest advertising.

Is this going to continue or an abberation?

If it's the way of the future, then I don't want the mag anymore and will rejoin the club next year without it. It's what I'd expect in a Vogue type magazine not a car magazine.

This may sound rough, but I want to learn about Studebakers, not advertising.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

Guido
12-13-2006, 06:07 AM
John,

I suspect that it is advertisers trying to bring in a buck for Christmas.

Gary

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
12-13-2006, 06:07 AM
John,

I suspect that it is advertisers trying to bring in a buck for Christmas.

Gary

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Daan
12-13-2006, 06:55 AM
compared to some "club magazine/newsletter" things I've seen, I'm willing to put up with some ads to continue to get the super-high-quality publication we get. I inherited back issues of TW from the 70's to the early 90's, and the fact that TW's been as good as it has for as long as it has is amazing.
That and the fact that we have as many businesses selling Stude stuff is pretty cool, considering how long Studebaker itself has been gone. This just means we'll be able to get parts for that much longer (and on a completely selfish note, this means there might be some parts left by the time I can afford to get a stude...:D)

http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i44/DansStudes/

Daan
12-13-2006, 06:55 AM
compared to some "club magazine/newsletter" things I've seen, I'm willing to put up with some ads to continue to get the super-high-quality publication we get. I inherited back issues of TW from the 70's to the early 90's, and the fact that TW's been as good as it has for as long as it has is amazing.
That and the fact that we have as many businesses selling Stude stuff is pretty cool, considering how long Studebaker itself has been gone. This just means we'll be able to get parts for that much longer (and on a completely selfish note, this means there might be some parts left by the time I can afford to get a stude...:D)

http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i44/DansStudes/

CHAMP
12-13-2006, 07:13 AM
As long as they are advertising Studebaker stuff I like it!:)

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

CHAMP
12-13-2006, 07:13 AM
As long as they are advertising Studebaker stuff I like it!:)

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

go-studebaker
12-13-2006, 07:26 AM
Chill out John,
the Dec mag I thought had a wonderful article on 1916 Studebakers. You wont find that sort of detail anywhere else, but in Turning Wheels. Plus there was the co-operator secion and the almanac.
Most of my initial kowledge was gleaned from having Turning wheels going back to the begining. Also looking at cars helps and now there is even ebay and this forum to help you along.

I dont mind the advertizing, as somebody might have a thingamybob I may require in 6 months.

However, if you feel that way, then best not turn on the idiot box, or go out shopping as there seems to be a lot of bright lights around at the moment and fat blokes dressed up in red suits trying to flog Christmas to death.
I think I will wander off down to the local 300 year old scrubbedy dub right now and get a pint of that warm beer that they drink up here, and park my Avanti convertible out the front, just for a bit of advertizing the Studebaker name. Would love a VBer's but that aint gonna happen here.
I hope the natives dont mind the advertizing as I am in the minority.

Stick with it, if you can as it is a fabulous rag for the money.

Hey have you seen my old red 62 Daytona Convertible 4 speed in Adelaide. I hear the guy that drives it does not wear a shirt!!


Rearguards
Greg






Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1988 Avanti Convertible

go-studebaker
12-13-2006, 07:26 AM
Chill out John,
the Dec mag I thought had a wonderful article on 1916 Studebakers. You wont find that sort of detail anywhere else, but in Turning Wheels. Plus there was the co-operator secion and the almanac.
Most of my initial kowledge was gleaned from having Turning wheels going back to the begining. Also looking at cars helps and now there is even ebay and this forum to help you along.

I dont mind the advertizing, as somebody might have a thingamybob I may require in 6 months.

However, if you feel that way, then best not turn on the idiot box, or go out shopping as there seems to be a lot of bright lights around at the moment and fat blokes dressed up in red suits trying to flog Christmas to death.
I think I will wander off down to the local 300 year old scrubbedy dub right now and get a pint of that warm beer that they drink up here, and park my Avanti convertible out the front, just for a bit of advertizing the Studebaker name. Would love a VBer's but that aint gonna happen here.
I hope the natives dont mind the advertizing as I am in the minority.

Stick with it, if you can as it is a fabulous rag for the money.

Hey have you seen my old red 62 Daytona Convertible 4 speed in Adelaide. I hear the guy that drives it does not wear a shirt!!


Rearguards
Greg






Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1988 Avanti Convertible

Skip Lackie
12-13-2006, 07:36 AM
I second Gary's response. John, I don't know you and so I don't know how old you are, but I suspect that the average age of the SDC membership is well beyond 40. Furthermore, most people in the old car hobby are middle class (or even better) males. The result is that most of us don't need anything for Christmas, except maybe underwear and socks. Around this time of year, our wives/partners are desperately searching for SOMETHING to put under the tree. Most wives wouldn't know how to find that OD solenoid that you so desperately need, but they sure can pick out an appropriate sweat shirt. Most of the ads in the Dec TW are not actually for Studebakers -- they're Studebaker-related clothing, models, publications, etc. Just perfect for the Stude-obsessed guy. It has ever been thus.

Skip

Skip Lackie
12-13-2006, 07:36 AM
I second Gary's response. John, I don't know you and so I don't know how old you are, but I suspect that the average age of the SDC membership is well beyond 40. Furthermore, most people in the old car hobby are middle class (or even better) males. The result is that most of us don't need anything for Christmas, except maybe underwear and socks. Around this time of year, our wives/partners are desperately searching for SOMETHING to put under the tree. Most wives wouldn't know how to find that OD solenoid that you so desperately need, but they sure can pick out an appropriate sweat shirt. Most of the ads in the Dec TW are not actually for Studebakers -- they're Studebaker-related clothing, models, publications, etc. Just perfect for the Stude-obsessed guy. It has ever been thus.

Skip

avantilover
12-13-2006, 04:37 PM
quote:Originally posted by Skip Lackie

I second Gary's response. John, I don't know you and so I don't know how old you are, but I suspect that the average age of the SDC membership is well beyond 40. Furthermore, most people in the old car hobby are middle class (or even better) males. The result is that most of us don't need anything for Christmas, except maybe underwear and socks. Around this time of year, our wives/partners are desperately searching for SOMETHING to put under the tree. Most wives wouldn't know how to find that OD solenoid that you so desperately need, but they sure can pick out an appropriate sweat shirt. Most of the ads in the Dec TW are not actually for Studebakers -- they're Studebaker-related clothing, models, publications, etc. Just perfect for the Stude-obsessed guy. It has ever been thus.

Skip
Let's see I'm 47, but I guess the main point is that "content" should be greater than advertising,not the other way round.



John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

avantilover
12-13-2006, 04:37 PM
quote:Originally posted by Skip Lackie

I second Gary's response. John, I don't know you and so I don't know how old you are, but I suspect that the average age of the SDC membership is well beyond 40. Furthermore, most people in the old car hobby are middle class (or even better) males. The result is that most of us don't need anything for Christmas, except maybe underwear and socks. Around this time of year, our wives/partners are desperately searching for SOMETHING to put under the tree. Most wives wouldn't know how to find that OD solenoid that you so desperately need, but they sure can pick out an appropriate sweat shirt. Most of the ads in the Dec TW are not actually for Studebakers -- they're Studebaker-related clothing, models, publications, etc. Just perfect for the Stude-obsessed guy. It has ever been thus.

Skip
Let's see I'm 47, but I guess the main point is that "content" should be greater than advertising,not the other way round.



John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

avantilover
12-13-2006, 04:39 PM
quote:Originally posted by go-studebaker

Chill out John,
the Dec mag I thought had a wonderful article on 1916 Studebakers. You wont find that sort of detail anywhere else, but in Turning Wheels. Plus there was the co-operator secion and the almanac.
Most of my initial kowledge was gleaned from having Turning wheels going back to the begining. Also looking at cars helps and now there is even ebay and this forum to help you along.

I dont mind the advertizing, as somebody might have a thingamybob I may require in 6 months.

However, if you feel that way, then best not turn on the idiot box, or go out shopping as there seems to be a lot of bright lights around at the moment and fat blokes dressed up in red suits trying to flog Christmas to death.
I think I will wander off down to the local 300 year old scrubbedy dub right now and get a pint of that warm beer that they drink up here, and park my Avanti convertible out the front, just for a bit of advertizing the Studebaker name. Would love a VBer's but that aint gonna happen here.
I hope the natives dont mind the advertizing as I am in the minority.

Stick with it, if you can as it is a fabulous rag for the money.

Hey have you seen my old red 62 Daytona Convertible 4 speed in Adelaide. I hear the guy that drives it does not wear a shirt!!


Rearguards
Greg






Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1988 Avanti Convertible
I think I did see a red lark convertible at Pt Adelaide once, didn't have time to see it in close up. As for VB, how about asking the UK brewers of Fosters's beeers if they'd be interested in importing/making it???

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

avantilover
12-13-2006, 04:39 PM
quote:Originally posted by go-studebaker

Chill out John,
the Dec mag I thought had a wonderful article on 1916 Studebakers. You wont find that sort of detail anywhere else, but in Turning Wheels. Plus there was the co-operator secion and the almanac.
Most of my initial kowledge was gleaned from having Turning wheels going back to the begining. Also looking at cars helps and now there is even ebay and this forum to help you along.

I dont mind the advertizing, as somebody might have a thingamybob I may require in 6 months.

However, if you feel that way, then best not turn on the idiot box, or go out shopping as there seems to be a lot of bright lights around at the moment and fat blokes dressed up in red suits trying to flog Christmas to death.
I think I will wander off down to the local 300 year old scrubbedy dub right now and get a pint of that warm beer that they drink up here, and park my Avanti convertible out the front, just for a bit of advertizing the Studebaker name. Would love a VBer's but that aint gonna happen here.
I hope the natives dont mind the advertizing as I am in the minority.

Stick with it, if you can as it is a fabulous rag for the money.

Hey have you seen my old red 62 Daytona Convertible 4 speed in Adelaide. I hear the guy that drives it does not wear a shirt!!


Rearguards
Greg






Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1988 Avanti Convertible
I think I did see a red lark convertible at Pt Adelaide once, didn't have time to see it in close up. As for VB, how about asking the UK brewers of Fosters's beeers if they'd be interested in importing/making it???

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

bams50
12-13-2006, 05:18 PM
You gotta be kidding!![:0]

My question to you would be: How do you propose they pay for a high-quality, narrowly-aimed, one marque monthly magazine? The top-notch paper stock, color photos, and the cost of assembling, printing, and mailing aren't exactly free [:o)]

Maybe it's a lack of material... have they published everything you've researched, and submitted for approval?

Maybe we only had 30 pages coming this month; but the advertisers have such faith in TW and its readers, the editors were forced to add 36 bonus pages just to accomodate them!

Whatever the case, I think it's incredible that I get a mag this great- all my Stude parts, literature, and paraphernalia sources in one place along with lots of great stories and info!! And all for such a low price!![^]

Don't get me wrong- I'm assuming you mean well; but you're way off! Instead of complaining, how about writing Mr. Unger with some positive suggestions? Till then, I offer my sincere thanks to the staff at TW; keep up the good work!![8D]



Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

bams50
12-13-2006, 05:18 PM
You gotta be kidding!![:0]

My question to you would be: How do you propose they pay for a high-quality, narrowly-aimed, one marque monthly magazine? The top-notch paper stock, color photos, and the cost of assembling, printing, and mailing aren't exactly free [:o)]

Maybe it's a lack of material... have they published everything you've researched, and submitted for approval?

Maybe we only had 30 pages coming this month; but the advertisers have such faith in TW and its readers, the editors were forced to add 36 bonus pages just to accomodate them!

Whatever the case, I think it's incredible that I get a mag this great- all my Stude parts, literature, and paraphernalia sources in one place along with lots of great stories and info!! And all for such a low price!![^]

Don't get me wrong- I'm assuming you mean well; but you're way off! Instead of complaining, how about writing Mr. Unger with some positive suggestions? Till then, I offer my sincere thanks to the staff at TW; keep up the good work!![8D]



Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

kurtruk
12-13-2006, 05:33 PM
Advertising pays for EVERYTHING in the good 'ol USofA. I don't think we'll be happy until every square inch of this country is plastered with ads! I believe advertising rights on the Moon's surface have been haggled over...

I disagree with avantilover, but lets remember his perspective. He pays a pretty good sum of money to have it mailed to Australia. But it would cost a whole lot more without the ads!

KURTRUK
(read it backwards;))

kurtruk
12-13-2006, 05:33 PM
Advertising pays for EVERYTHING in the good 'ol USofA. I don't think we'll be happy until every square inch of this country is plastered with ads! I believe advertising rights on the Moon's surface have been haggled over...

I disagree with avantilover, but lets remember his perspective. He pays a pretty good sum of money to have it mailed to Australia. But it would cost a whole lot more without the ads!

KURTRUK
(read it backwards;))

rockne10
12-13-2006, 07:48 PM
I view the ads as resources to aid in the restoration and maintenance of my Studebakers. Granted, a new sweatshirt, keyfob or diecast model won't improve the performance or the brakes but, as Skip said, it's the time of year for your friends and relatives to buy for you what you would not otherwise buy for yourself.

If you look at the ads in TURNING WHEELS thirty years ago, you would be amazed at how parts and services have grown to meet our needs.

Compare the content in the AACA magazine to just the 24 pages in TURNING WHEELS. We've got a good deal in our publication and, when it's parts I need, it will be the ads I'm looking at.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

rockne10
12-13-2006, 07:48 PM
I view the ads as resources to aid in the restoration and maintenance of my Studebakers. Granted, a new sweatshirt, keyfob or diecast model won't improve the performance or the brakes but, as Skip said, it's the time of year for your friends and relatives to buy for you what you would not otherwise buy for yourself.

If you look at the ads in TURNING WHEELS thirty years ago, you would be amazed at how parts and services have grown to meet our needs.

Compare the content in the AACA magazine to just the 24 pages in TURNING WHEELS. We've got a good deal in our publication and, when it's parts I need, it will be the ads I'm looking at.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser