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56H-Y6
12-09-2006, 06:47 AM
Hi
Poor '58!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Studebaker-STUDEBAKER-1958-STUDEBAKER-283-V8-LOW-RESERVE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6466QQihZ012QQitemZ220059086984QQrdZ1
How about those custom taillights?? Reminds me of a Checker....
The rest of the car......poor '58, a victim of ......?
Your Comments?
Steve

lstude
12-09-2006, 07:33 AM
I hope someone saves the poor thing. The vendor states:

THE BACK TIRES JUST NEED TO BE AIRED UP, BUT ALL TIRES IN DECENT SHAPE. THE INTERIOR LOOKS REALLY GOOD.

THE DASH JUST NEEDS TO BE SCREWED BACK IN.

THE OWNER STATES THAT WITH MAYBE A FEW HOURS WORK, THE STUDEBAKER WOULD START RIGHT UP. IT DOES NEED A BATTERY.


How much trouble would it be to put air in the back tires or to screw in the dash and if it only takes a few hours work to start it, why wouldn't they do it? It sure would sell better if it ran!

The lights on the fin sort of look like the ones on this thing that Mr. Biggs posted.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/58Studewagonshortenedrear.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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lstude
12-09-2006, 07:33 AM
I hope someone saves the poor thing. The vendor states:

THE BACK TIRES JUST NEED TO BE AIRED UP, BUT ALL TIRES IN DECENT SHAPE. THE INTERIOR LOOKS REALLY GOOD.

THE DASH JUST NEEDS TO BE SCREWED BACK IN.

THE OWNER STATES THAT WITH MAYBE A FEW HOURS WORK, THE STUDEBAKER WOULD START RIGHT UP. IT DOES NEED A BATTERY.


How much trouble would it be to put air in the back tires or to screw in the dash and if it only takes a few hours work to start it, why wouldn't they do it? It sure would sell better if it ran!

The lights on the fin sort of look like the ones on this thing that Mr. Biggs posted.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/58Studewagonshortenedrear.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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Roscomacaw
12-09-2006, 09:51 AM
I'm gonna pose a question here. If you think the idea's a bad one, so state or suggest alternatives.

I wouldn't use a lens anything like what's used on this car or that stubby wagon I put up photos of, BUT... I have been toying with the idea of adding a third lens to the center of that teardrop-shaped chrome piece that has the BU lite towards it's bottom. This thrid lens would be for the turn signal - the brake-tail lites would be just that, brake and tail.
I'm thinking a clear lens (smaller, but with a shape in keeping with the tail and BU lens) using an amber-colored bulb. What say???

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1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
12-09-2006, 09:51 AM
I'm gonna pose a question here. If you think the idea's a bad one, so state or suggest alternatives.

I wouldn't use a lens anything like what's used on this car or that stubby wagon I put up photos of, BUT... I have been toying with the idea of adding a third lens to the center of that teardrop-shaped chrome piece that has the BU lite towards it's bottom. This thrid lens would be for the turn signal - the brake-tail lites would be just that, brake and tail.
I'm thinking a clear lens (smaller, but with a shape in keeping with the tail and BU lens) using an amber-colored bulb. What say???

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

lstude
12-09-2006, 10:23 AM
I shouldn't have been so critical, but I don't like those little lights that were used on both of those 58s. I think what you are talking about would look fine. It would look nice, IMO, if the whole fin area was an amber lens and the backup light remained, but I don't know how you would do that. I actually think the sawed off wagon would be rather cute if you took all the gee gaws off and painted it a solid color, covered the spare tire and put whitewalls on it. I tried to capture both ideas on Photoshop, but not with much success.


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/58Studebaker4dr.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/58Studewagonshortenedrear1.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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lstude
12-09-2006, 10:23 AM
I shouldn't have been so critical, but I don't like those little lights that were used on both of those 58s. I think what you are talking about would look fine. It would look nice, IMO, if the whole fin area was an amber lens and the backup light remained, but I don't know how you would do that. I actually think the sawed off wagon would be rather cute if you took all the gee gaws off and painted it a solid color, covered the spare tire and put whitewalls on it. I tried to capture both ideas on Photoshop, but not with much success.


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/58Studebaker4dr.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/58Studewagonshortenedrear1.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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Roscomacaw
12-09-2006, 11:44 AM
I like that idea Leonard. I could easliy cut down some oversized amber lens from a late model whatnot, but there's a teardrop-shaped metal piece that goes inside that chrome bezel and then (and I think this is kinda odd) there's the back face of the fin right under it. It's a goofy arrangement when you analyze it, but so is the fact that the taillites depended on the screws that hold the lens on for a ground!!![8]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
12-09-2006, 11:44 AM
I like that idea Leonard. I could easliy cut down some oversized amber lens from a late model whatnot, but there's a teardrop-shaped metal piece that goes inside that chrome bezel and then (and I think this is kinda odd) there's the back face of the fin right under it. It's a goofy arrangement when you analyze it, but so is the fact that the taillites depended on the screws that hold the lens on for a ground!!![8]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

5859
12-09-2006, 12:57 PM
One thing I can say positive is that when they shaved the side trim, it appears that they smoothed the seam where the tacked on fin meets the lower quarter panel, essentially making it one piece. Kind of neat looking in that respect.

5859
12-09-2006, 12:57 PM
One thing I can say positive is that when they shaved the side trim, it appears that they smoothed the seam where the tacked on fin meets the lower quarter panel, essentially making it one piece. Kind of neat looking in that respect.

StudeDave57
12-09-2006, 01:52 PM
This thing has had a modification or two, now hasn't it? Is it just me, or is the battery on the wrong side of the car? I'm not too sure I like that dash treatment, either...

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

StudeDave57
12-09-2006, 01:52 PM
This thing has had a modification or two, now hasn't it? Is it just me, or is the battery on the wrong side of the car? I'm not too sure I like that dash treatment, either...

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

studeclunker
12-09-2006, 02:03 PM
IMHO, the '58 is one of the ugliest cars Studebaker ever turned out. It looks like some kid started a custom project and ran out of money. Still, what has been done, isn't bad. The car could still be finished out to be a fairly decent driver. What would worry me about this car is the steering collum. That's a modern one. What else has been changed in the suspension?


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Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

studeclunker
12-09-2006, 02:03 PM
IMHO, the '58 is one of the ugliest cars Studebaker ever turned out. It looks like some kid started a custom project and ran out of money. Still, what has been done, isn't bad. The car could still be finished out to be a fairly decent driver. What would worry me about this car is the steering collum. That's a modern one. What else has been changed in the suspension?


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/studebaby/54wagonblue-2.jpghttp://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/studebaby/red54wagon-1.jpg
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

lstude
12-09-2006, 04:28 PM
quote: IMHO, the '58 is one of the ugliest cars Studebaker ever turned out. It looks like some kid started a custom project and ran out of money.

[b]I used to think that, too, but in hindsight they don't look so bad now. In fact there was a 58 Commander hardtop on eBay a while back that I think is beautiful. I wish I could have bought it. I think they actually did an amazing job considering the lack of money and the chaotic management of Curtiss Wright.


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/58StudebakerCommanderhardtopside.jpg

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lstude
12-09-2006, 04:28 PM
quote: IMHO, the '58 is one of the ugliest cars Studebaker ever turned out. It looks like some kid started a custom project and ran out of money.

[b]I used to think that, too, but in hindsight they don't look so bad now. In fact there was a 58 Commander hardtop on eBay a while back that I think is beautiful. I wish I could have bought it. I think they actually did an amazing job considering the lack of money and the chaotic management of Curtiss Wright.


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/58StudebakerCommanderhardtopside.jpg

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Roscomacaw
12-09-2006, 05:08 PM
I've always liked the 58s. Always! 58 Packards even more. I mean FINS! Great BIG FINS on a Studebaker! Even tho I've loved them in the past, I was always self-conscious of the pod headlites. I know they were trying to keep up with industry, but these things would be flat out fantastic (as sedans go) if they'd kept the basic 57 front clip for 58.
NOW tho - the pod headlites are just part of the kitsch & funk of the era the cars are from. Surprizingly, I've found that they're better recieved outside of the Studebaker fraternity than within!
And YES, Leonard - the hardtops are gorgeous.[8D]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
12-09-2006, 05:08 PM
I've always liked the 58s. Always! 58 Packards even more. I mean FINS! Great BIG FINS on a Studebaker! Even tho I've loved them in the past, I was always self-conscious of the pod headlites. I know they were trying to keep up with industry, but these things would be flat out fantastic (as sedans go) if they'd kept the basic 57 front clip for 58.
NOW tho - the pod headlites are just part of the kitsch & funk of the era the cars are from. Surprizingly, I've found that they're better recieved outside of the Studebaker fraternity than within!
And YES, Leonard - the hardtops are gorgeous.[8D]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

5859
12-09-2006, 09:17 PM
I have always liked 58 too, but the strange thing is the part that looks a little off or objectional to me is not the tacked on fins, or the pod headlights, but the midsection, namely the doors. On the hardtop they look OK, although pretty squared off at the front, on the sedan the whole section with the front and back door looks strange to me. The strangness is accentuated or downplayed by certain colors and color combinations. I really don't know how they could have been made different to look better though.

5859
12-09-2006, 09:17 PM
I have always liked 58 too, but the strange thing is the part that looks a little off or objectional to me is not the tacked on fins, or the pod headlights, but the midsection, namely the doors. On the hardtop they look OK, although pretty squared off at the front, on the sedan the whole section with the front and back door looks strange to me. The strangness is accentuated or downplayed by certain colors and color combinations. I really don't know how they could have been made different to look better though.

Orestudeguy
12-09-2006, 09:58 PM
I must comment on this one..
My first car, and first Stude was a "58 Commander 2 door hardtop..
Just like the one posted earlier..
Mine was two toned like most fifties's car of that era..
It was Parchment white on top, and White Gold on the bottom.. The roof was one color and the body the other, unlike some with the fins matching the roof..
It also had the dealer installed dual antenna's.. I know they were dealer installed because I was there when it was written into the deal..
My Mom bought the car new from Lloyd Pearson Studebaker/Mercedes in Pasadena, Ca..
When I was in High School, I bought it from her..
And drove it several years.. I parked it when a rod started knocking in the ol "259"..
A few years later, someone found out I had the car, and talked me into selling it..
I did and wish I hadn't..
Now I'm on the hunt for it..
The fifty-eights, in my opinion were different (true) but that roof-line was beautiful.. If only they had introduced it earlier..
And I liked the dual headlamp "pods" as well..
The car was it's own and nothing looked like it, unlike todays car!

George
65 Commander 2door
64 Wagonaire 3 now!
63 Champ
63 GT Hawk
51 Champion Starlight Coupe

Orestudeguy
12-09-2006, 09:58 PM
I must comment on this one..
My first car, and first Stude was a "58 Commander 2 door hardtop..
Just like the one posted earlier..
Mine was two toned like most fifties's car of that era..
It was Parchment white on top, and White Gold on the bottom.. The roof was one color and the body the other, unlike some with the fins matching the roof..
It also had the dealer installed dual antenna's.. I know they were dealer installed because I was there when it was written into the deal..
My Mom bought the car new from Lloyd Pearson Studebaker/Mercedes in Pasadena, Ca..
When I was in High School, I bought it from her..
And drove it several years.. I parked it when a rod started knocking in the ol "259"..
A few years later, someone found out I had the car, and talked me into selling it..
I did and wish I hadn't..
Now I'm on the hunt for it..
The fifty-eights, in my opinion were different (true) but that roof-line was beautiful.. If only they had introduced it earlier..
And I liked the dual headlamp "pods" as well..
The car was it's own and nothing looked like it, unlike todays car!

George
65 Commander 2door
64 Wagonaire 3 now!
63 Champ
63 GT Hawk
51 Champion Starlight Coupe

5859
12-10-2006, 01:41 PM
George, I have to agree with you that the 58's were a great looking car, a 58 Sedan was my first car at 13 years old, at that time I was not interested in Studebakers in general, just my 58. I was surprised to find out how disliked they were in the Studebaker community, It dosen't seem like I have ever heard negative comments about them from other old car enthusiasts. One thing I disagree on however is the uniqueness of the 58 design, the look of the car is very similar to a chrysler product. If you were to park them side by side, obviously they don't look too much alike, but they do resemble them, whenever someone ventures a guess as to what my car is, it is always a Chrysler product of some sort. When I bought my car I wanted a 58 Plymouth, and the 58 Studebaker, that was available, to my untrained eyes was close enough for me. After having owned both types of cars as an adult, I can see the major differences in the cars.

5859
12-10-2006, 01:41 PM
George, I have to agree with you that the 58's were a great looking car, a 58 Sedan was my first car at 13 years old, at that time I was not interested in Studebakers in general, just my 58. I was surprised to find out how disliked they were in the Studebaker community, It dosen't seem like I have ever heard negative comments about them from other old car enthusiasts. One thing I disagree on however is the uniqueness of the 58 design, the look of the car is very similar to a chrysler product. If you were to park them side by side, obviously they don't look too much alike, but they do resemble them, whenever someone ventures a guess as to what my car is, it is always a Chrysler product of some sort. When I bought my car I wanted a 58 Plymouth, and the 58 Studebaker, that was available, to my untrained eyes was close enough for me. After having owned both types of cars as an adult, I can see the major differences in the cars.

lstude
12-10-2006, 02:41 PM
quote:One thing I disagree on however is the uniqueness of the 58 design, the look of the car is very similar to a chrysler product. If you were to park them side by side, obviously they don't look too much alike, but they do resemble them

The roofline on the 58 Studebaker & Packard sedan hardtops very much resembles the 57 Chrysler & DeSoto 2 door hardtop roof, especially the rear window. Ironically, Virgil Exner who was in charge of designing the 57 Chrysler products had worked for Studebaker and supposedly designed the front ends of the 47s. He had a dispute with Loewy and left for Chrysler in th early 50s. Below is a picture of a 57 Chrysler hardtop.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/57Chryslerfrombookcrop.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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lstude
12-10-2006, 02:41 PM
quote:One thing I disagree on however is the uniqueness of the 58 design, the look of the car is very similar to a chrysler product. If you were to park them side by side, obviously they don't look too much alike, but they do resemble them

The roofline on the 58 Studebaker & Packard sedan hardtops very much resembles the 57 Chrysler & DeSoto 2 door hardtop roof, especially the rear window. Ironically, Virgil Exner who was in charge of designing the 57 Chrysler products had worked for Studebaker and supposedly designed the front ends of the 47s. He had a dispute with Loewy and left for Chrysler in th early 50s. Below is a picture of a 57 Chrysler hardtop.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/57Chryslerfrombookcrop.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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65cruiser
12-10-2006, 02:49 PM
Personally, I think the 58 Studebaker's are better proportioned that the 58 Chrysler products.


quote:Originally posted by lstude


quote:One thing I disagree on however is the uniqueness of the 58 design, the look of the car is very similar to a chrysler product. If you were to park them side by side, obviously they don't look too much alike, but they do resemble them

The roofline on the 58 Studebaker & Packard sedan hardtops very much resembles the 57 Chrysler & DeSoto 2 door hardtop roof, especially the rear window. Ironically, Virgil Exner who was in charge of designing the 57 Chrysler products had worked for Studebaker and supposedly designed the front ends of the 47s. He had a dispute with Loewy and left for Chrysler in th early 50s. Below is a picture of a 57 Chrysler hardtop.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/57Chryslerfrombookcrop.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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65cruiser
12-10-2006, 02:49 PM
Personally, I think the 58 Studebaker's are better proportioned that the 58 Chrysler products.


quote:Originally posted by lstude


quote:One thing I disagree on however is the uniqueness of the 58 design, the look of the car is very similar to a chrysler product. If you were to park them side by side, obviously they don't look too much alike, but they do resemble them

The roofline on the 58 Studebaker & Packard sedan hardtops very much resembles the 57 Chrysler & DeSoto 2 door hardtop roof, especially the rear window. Ironically, Virgil Exner who was in charge of designing the 57 Chrysler products had worked for Studebaker and supposedly designed the front ends of the 47s. He had a dispute with Loewy and left for Chrysler in th early 50s. Below is a picture of a 57 Chrysler hardtop.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/57Chryslerfrombookcrop.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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Roscomacaw
12-10-2006, 07:00 PM
So, 5859, how's that Commander hardtop coming?:)

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
12-10-2006, 07:00 PM
So, 5859, how's that Commander hardtop coming?:)

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

poppopstude
12-18-2006, 02:11 AM
fellas you all are making feal bad about buying that 58 pres 2dr htop talking about how ugly they are.

poppopstude
12-18-2006, 02:11 AM
fellas you all are making feal bad about buying that 58 pres 2dr htop talking about how ugly they are.

bams50
12-18-2006, 04:46 AM
Ugly isn't the end of the world; heck, I'm restoring a 60 Lark 4 door... talk about ugly.........[:I]

There are plenty of folks who'll care for the pretty cars; somebody needs to save the "less attractive"...;)

If someone is serious in thinking the factory-designed styling of your- or my- car is ugly, there's nothing wrong with that; no reason to feel bad about it- everyone has that right! Besides, I'm confident no one intends to hurt your feeling (unless you originally designed it for Studebaker!!)

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
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bams50
12-18-2006, 04:46 AM
Ugly isn't the end of the world; heck, I'm restoring a 60 Lark 4 door... talk about ugly.........[:I]

There are plenty of folks who'll care for the pretty cars; somebody needs to save the "less attractive"...;)

If someone is serious in thinking the factory-designed styling of your- or my- car is ugly, there's nothing wrong with that; no reason to feel bad about it- everyone has that right! Besides, I'm confident no one intends to hurt your feeling (unless you originally designed it for Studebaker!!)

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1